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isn't lance a decent swimmer/triathlete? might account for 'bulkier' upper body
hmmmm.
Weightwise I'm fine. Just need to be nearer to 7'3" 😳
Skinny vegan at 19.9% on that USMC calculator.
I like to think of it as ballast to help keep me stable over rough ground.
The cyclists only look particularly weird as they have no upper body development. Most athletes will have low body fat in their competition phase (unless they are sumo wrestlers or such like). Everyone's is pretty ripped at the Olympics, whatever their sport.
Apparently body fat for an athlete is in the region of 6-14% and essential body fat is 2-4%. I bet in competition most athletes will be at the lower end (or below) of that scale.
Look at Wiggo's face in the interviews he does off-season and just before the TdF - shocking.
and that is still in the 'clean' category. It might be tougher to achieve that 'naturally' but the damage to the body must be comparable to 'doping' and I thought the main reason against drugs in sport was the damage they inflict.
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6'0" 154lbs somewhere between 10-15% bodyfat.
cant access the USMC calc from work.
I'm 37, 5ft 10, 158 lbs - Does that make me better than Armstrong?
TSY.
What are you looking for ?.
Where are you hoping your quest will lead you ?.
** back in 20 **
Solo - I'm not looking for anything.
I'm just interested in all this sort of stuff... physiology I guess.
[i]Solo - I'm not looking for anything.
I'm just interested in all this sort of stuff... physiology I guess
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Hhmmm. Fair so.
But how do [i]they[/i] get so lean ?.
I mean, since the rise of the internet, knowledge sharing has probably never been so wide spread.
Yet there are snippets of info, which never seem to make it out into the world, cept via a credit card number.
So, I was just wandering.
They have personal nutritionists who monitor the effects of what they eat and do and come up with a specific, targetted and personal approach based on years of experience. They have access to peformance and biological metrics.
Reading on the internet gives you none of that 🙂
Can you buy willpower on the internet? There's a reason these people are better than us, some of that is because they are mentally stronger.
Out of interest, what differences do you folks get with your scales in 'normal' and 'athlete' mode?
But how do they get so lean ?.
Discipline. Top nutiritionists, top trainers etc.
But above all... discipline.
Not just referring to sportsmen and women, Grips.
[i]They have personal nutritionists who monitor the effects of what they eat and do and come up with a specific, targetted and personal approach based on years of experience. They have access to peformance and biological metrics.[/i]
I'm not convinced you need Gurus and Meds to lean you out.
Indeed, it would appear that there are those who soundly believe in the existance of a template, applicable to all.
Apply said generic instructions, and you may not reach 3 percent body fat.
But you could realisitcally aspire to achieve 10-12 percent BF.
Or, so it is claimed.
[i]Reading on the internet gives you none of that[/i]
Aye, so it would seem.
But its easy enough to read about 19th Century, English sailors songs, from tinterweb.
So its not all for nothing, is it ?.
[i]Out of interest, what differences do you folks get with your scales in 'normal' and 'athlete' mode?[/i]
Sorry, although I recently purchased the best John Lewis had to offer at the time and not withstanding that my scales have all sorts of modes with accompanying hyroglifics.
I haven't switched modes.
I just keep my scales in mustn't lie mode.
I've even abandonded old Church of England for new fangled metric malarkey.
Something known as [i]Kgs'[/i]
I'm not convinced you need Gurus and Meds to lean you out.
Snot what I am saying at all.
I am saying that years of experience and constant monitoring from a personal nutritionist helps a great deal.
You can of course learn a lot on the internet, but you need to experiment on yourself. A very detailed knowledge of physiology and some measuring devices would help (like Tim Ferris has tried) - and I am talking about going from normal down to 3% here.
cept via a credit card number.
I think the information is out there. How to tailor it to your specific physiology and training is not. That's why you pay.
Ah yes, Mr Ferris.
You did recommend I read it, and I have failed to do so.
Just out of interest, within the context of BF.
Do you have any goals ?, or are you more focused on performance of which low BF has its place, but more as a means to an end rather that the end itself ?.
I recall you posting that you wish to climb the podium at some level/point.
Performance is my main aim. Don't care about abstract numbers.
Which leaves me with a choice. Since power to weight ratio is critical, I could either get lighter OR get more powerful. There certainly seems to be SOME exclusivity there. If I diet hard I don't have the energy to do intense training and hence build power, but if I have more simple carbs I can ride a lot better but losing weight can be harder. Also, without accurate BF measurement I don't know if I am gaining muscle whilst losing fat.
I am currently experimenting with more simple carbs at the right times of day. I must say I am feeling way way better than I have been lately with the introduction of a few bread and cake items!
[i]I think the information is out there. How to tailor it to your specific physiology and training is not. That's why you pay. [/i]
Well, perhaps, but on that basis.
"[i]Eat less, move more[/i]" holds true for free info, no ?, along with "[i]everything in moderation[/i]" to [b]half quote Mr Twain[/b].
Yet I get the feeling that something is missing.
[i]I am currently experimenting with more simple carbs at the right times of day. I must say I am feeling way way better than I have been lately with the introduction of a few bread and cake items! [/i]
Care to elaborate ?, I'm interested.
Im 5'6" and at 10% body fat am 12 stone. Its been a while since i was that mind as am 14 13 now!!
At least its going the right way.
p.s. i consider 10% body fat more than lean enough. Even at that my face starts to get a bit gaunt.
Molly do you regularly clock a calorie deficit?
Armstrong got down to 3% through clever diet... along the lines of the iDiet but with a calorie defecit of 500 per day.
I don't think that however much you want to trick your insulin you'll really lose weight without a calorie deficit.
Athletes all train for hours each day.
I am saying that years of experience and constant monitoring from a personal nutritionist helps a great deal.You can of course learn a lot on the internet, but you need to experiment on yourself. A very detailed knowledge of physiology and some measuring devices would help (like Tim Ferris has tried) - and I am talking about going from normal down to 3% here.
I agree with this. If i had someone telling me exactly what/when i should eat and how i should train for optimal performace, my results would be far better than experimenting with different strategies myself - it takes a long time to see what works/doesn't.
I want to podium one day fwiw and if i get onto the race squad, i'll have access to training schedules/full support etc that would get me to the podium far quicker than i could if i was relying on my trial and error methods.
I'm interested to see my results this year - 5kgs lighter than last year and a good % of body fat gone too (17% - but bear in mind, women's body fat is naturally higher than mens). My current thinking is i'm far faster on the bike when i'm heavier and have more stores to burn. 🙄
MTFU and race is what I say. Ride and ride some more.
6'3" and just under 220lb thanks to Dave of the i and 17.43% according to the USMC thingy, thought it would be much worse than that.
[i]Im 5'6" and at 10% body fat am 12 stone. Its been a while since i was that mind as am 14 13 now!!
At least its going the right way.
p.s. i consider 10% body fat more than lean enough. Even at that my face starts to get a bit gaunt.
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Yes, but was a low BF your main goal or were you servicing goals of competition glory ?.
[i]Armstrong got down to 3% through clever diet... [b]along the lines of the iDiet but with a calorie defecit of 500 per day.[/b][/i]
Can it really be that simple ?.
**I know, I should try it for myself**
[i]I don't think that however much you want to trick your insulin you'll really lose weight without a calorie deficit.[/i]
I think you have a point there.
My current out look is not to feak-out over calories, but certainly to [i]respect[/i] them.
[i]Athletes all train for hours each day. [/i]
Yet I seem to increasingly find people asking if training for just an hour a day isn't sufficient.
Prolonged and repeated exercising can result in a negative result, no ?.
Suppressed imune system, etc.
the only important thing is how sexy your abz, peckz and gunz are. i'm taller than yeti so i'm already several percent sexier. just need to shift about 7kg of fat and work on my abz, pekz and gunz now 😳
[i]MTFU and race is what I say. Ride and ride some more. [/i]
I think that once upon a time, that was a mindset that prevailed in places such as Belgium.
But then some riders started HIIT training and found it improved their performance.
Go figure.
I'm 5'10" and 215 lbs, so could do with shedding some timber 🙁
Most of my diet is fairly good, I struggle with portion sizes, and if I get bored or hacked off at work I go to the garage and get a packet of biscuits and polish them off with a couple of cups of coffee.
I normally do 6 training sessions a week, 3 bike (about 8hrs) 2 weights sessions and a RPM spinning thingy.
So wouldn't like to think how many calories I'm getting through 😯
MTFU and race is what I say. Ride and ride some more
I like this Trickydisco...its going to be my mantra from now on 🙂 Except after Saturday's wtfu, i'll maybe wear a waterproof next time!
if racing and riding more were the answer people would be doing 1000 miles a week in training
[i]just need to shift about 7kg of fat and work on my abz, pekz and gunz now[/i]
You'll have to go some to get that thin but visible band off the midrif.
Thats where I am.
Every where else is, well, ok-ish.
But theres a thin band of fat between the lowest rib and the hip.
It will not budge / disappear !.
Nature, it would seem, is worried something might happen and that I should really keep that small bit of [i]insurance[/i].
I think that once upon a time, that was a mindset that prevailed in places such as Belgium.
But then some riders started HIIT training and found it improved their performance.
I mean in the context of power to weight, BF%, FTP, V02MAx, wattages. It all gets a bit too much.
I find too many people obsessing over numbers (I include myself in this). Once i staretd racing more and riding with experienced riders in the club i'm less concerned with all of these figures.
[i]I mean in the context of power to weight, BF%, FTP, V02MAx, wattages. It all gets a bit too much.
I find too many people obsessing over numbers (I include myself in this). Once i staretd racing more and riding with experienced riders in the club i'm less concerned with all of these figures.
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May be, but as iDave has put it.
Grinding out the hours on stupid long rides won't make the difference one might expect it to.
Edit: imho.
i figure if i work on my gunz enough, nobody will notice my spare tyre 😀
i'm at 84kg, 6ft tall on the dot. there's a general layer of fat from my knees up to my lower ribs that i want to shift... figure healthy food and gym weekday mornings (some spinning, some basic weights and stretching) will do the trick... slowly slowly catchy monkey (rather do it slowly than end up putting it all on the moment i sneeze in the direction of a slice of bread)
better weather will also mean 2 night rides and a weekend ride each week on top of that to accelerate things in the summer a bit.
i'm not in a rush, already seeing some changes in body shape... in a much much better place mentally with my body that's for sure.
May be, but as iDave has put it.
Grinding out the hours on stupid long rides won't make the difference one might expect it to.
Did i mention grinding out long hours?
My post was in reference to molgrips apparent obesssion with power to weight and need to podium and needing to measure his BF % to know if he's gaining muscle or fat
FWIW I do loads of HIIT have had 2 fitness tests, and did nearly all of my base training at 1 hour at a time last year.
[i]rather do it slowly than end up putting it all on the moment i sneeze in the direction of a slice of bread)[/i]
Yes, I know what you mean, but I hardly ever eat bread now, and really do not miss it.
It just doesn't appear on my food radar these days.
Thats the result of changing my food choices, permanently, rather than just for a limited period of time.
solo
out of interest are you doing idiet stuff for performance (racing), look good or generally health?
i still eat the odd bit of bread (and other such naughtyness) but changed my rules so no processed white carbs, has to be wholegrain. and still eat the odd sugary snack. sharing a diet with mrsconsequence means i need to accept she still wants certain 'normal' foods.
its all good though. slowly slowly catchy molly/yeti 😈
Actuallly Phil. At 6" and 84Kg, you're virtually were I was a year or so ago.
now around 79Kg and its maintained easily.
I still drink beer and wine, even some bourbon now and again.
Not over looking the dark choc too.
So actuallly, my diet includes lots of nice stuff, but I maintain a lower body weight and only gym 2-3 times a week, and usually a 2-3 hour road ride on Sundays.
Thats a tiny amount of exercise compared to the mighty TSY.
Phil - I still eat shit loads of cake and bread.
Ain't nothing mighty Solo. I just like exercising. I do it for the love more than anything. I need to start testing myself performance wise rather than just playing about.
All this talk has got me really interested in working our where I stand on this whole sort of thing.
I have _never_ had a six pack, but have always had a reasonable amount of strength and power, only slacking since I started doing a desk job (although I have been a lot more active these last few years).
But, the only time I have ever really lost a lot of weight (went down to 13 1/2 stone due to poor diet and lack of money) was nearly 20 years ago at Uni. Now, no matter what I do, eat or how I exercise, I remain at about the same sort of weight (14 1/4 - 14 1/2 stone).
I may have to try that USMC thing and see what that says. or go and find some calipers.
what does Lance eat? he goes to bed hungry...
and read [url= http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2012/02/02/race-shape-ready/ ]this (triathlete europe)[/url] and remember what works for one doesn't work for everyone. It is very much a case of trial an improving.
[i]solo
out of interest are you doing idiet stuff for performance (racing), look good or generally health?
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I started out iDiet, then drifted in the direction of the paleo theme / philosophy, via MDA.
I guess I have a foot in both camps.
However, what really draws me to Mark's suggestions and observations is how he will look at a food source, from the clinical perspective.
Like, how he looks at the nutrients in a food source, then follows them into the body to see what their effect is likely to be.
For example, learning that while Olive oil does contain Omega 3, you can significantly reduce the quality and quantity of omega 3 in your olive oil by over heating it.
I hadn't realized that before, so I believe stuff like that is good to know.
At 43yrs, I aint gonna set the world on fire by winning races.
But I might just be able to ensure I stick around for a very long time and that I'm happy and active while I'm here.
After all, being as fit as a butcher's dog on a race performance basis isn't of much interest to me, if I peg-it at 56 yrs.
But I acknowledge that there are those who would rather [i]burn it up[/i] and take the glory.