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Russia's army could walk through Europe, apparently they have far more Nukes than Trumpton and China will side with them in a shitstorm - basically we are **** if they want us to be.
I'm not sure you understand the concept of "deterrent" or "mutually assured destruction".
I'm not sure you understand the concept of "deterrent" or "mutually assured destruction".
I fully understand it - it doesn't matter how many nukes either side has, it's all over if a tenth of them go off. My point was, that Russia aren't some outdated superpower.
I'm not sure you understand the concept of "deterrent" or "mutually assured destruction".
Nor does JC. The rubber warheads won't help.
You do understand the condition and quality of a significant percentage of the ships that pass through Atlantic storms regularly? This thing will be way better maintained and put together.
I wouldn't bet on it, if it's half as bad as described then I wouldn't discount anything, especially considering the state of some of the stuff we've sent to sea (before the Navy got it's budget completely trashed).
I don't see the issue.
Why is the media stoking paranoia with 'cold war'?
Brexit init.
making Britain great again.
We're gonna get the empire back....
We're gonna get the empire back....
Empire strikes back, good movie
hora - Member
I don't see the issue.
Why is the media stoking paranoia with 'cold war'?
The Russains know who's stoking all this
@hora the war is more hot than cold - annexed Crimea, control half of Eastern Ukrain, shot down Malaysian Airliner
Russia clearly not a fan of the EU as ex Soviet Nations join and get large grants making thrm far wealthier than Russia amd thus destabilising the "morher land"
The more I see footage of that creaky smoking old tub the more I think it's a PR disaster, hardly projecting power is it ?
war fantasists are gonna be disappointed I 'spect..
the soviets went - can we pop down through there?
we went - yeah mate, it'll look pretty cool and we might get a few extra trident votes
All your overactive imaginings from reading too much Commando and having homoerotic soldier fantasies is laughable
There's always the option of flying torpedo and depth-charge carrying maritime patrol craft overhead to show that we still maintain an airborne anti-ship deterrent, something like our Nimr...oh. Clever Dave scrapped those in 2010 too, didn't he?
Well, we did have the Fairey Gannet, an extraordinarily capable ASW/AEW aircraft, with superb loiter capabilities when one engine was shut down, but they were scrapped by Tony Benn.
Shortly after, we had the Falklands conflict, and had to cobble together a radar bolted to the side of a Sea King helicopter.
Genius move, Tony.
That aircraft carrier must be tiny, considering the size of the two Sukhoi parked on the deck, she surely can't carry very many aircraft of that size?
All happened while NatWest attempted to shut down Russia Today. UK Gov denies they were involved of course. Coincidence the Russian fleet passed through right now? Perhaps as supposedly they'd planned heading to Syria before the NatWest thing. Then again, would they have taken the route through the English Channel before RT was threatened with closure?
[quote=TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR ]Russia's army could walk through Europe
Well they'd have to - I don't suppose they have enough transport which works
I really don't know what the big deal is to see Russian fleet, I mean it is not as if they are hostile towards UK or any of the EU nation.
They are just passing through and I would welcome them for some fish and chips.
I mean are you lot really feel threaten by that old aircraft carrier? Their fleet is so old I bet they need to make their own parts while sailing to their destination.
The size of the Russian aircraft carrier is not even close by comparison to the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.
Guess who has the most aircraft carriers in the world. Yes, the so called "world police".
At the moment the enemy is definitely Not Russia or Bashar al-Assad.
At the moment the enemy is definitely Not Russia or Bashar al-Assad.
Not sure the folks of Aleppo share your sentiments..
We have less than half the population and 1.5x the GDP of Russia, if we wanted to outgun them we could. We're just not governed by a mobster with a small penis.
considering the size of the two Sukhoi parked on the deck
Have you actually seen those things up close? At Culdrose back in the day one burped an engine and the whole place freaked the frock out, wasn't allowed to fly. Bloody huge.
Russia's army could walk through Europe
Why haven't they yet? oh, that's right, because its bollox.
As for the carrier, who honestly in the west gets intimidated by that? The only nation in the World that puts a tug to sea with its carrier in case it breaks down.
Russia's Submarine fleet however, is another proposition.
Russia's army could walk through Europe
They need to update their impressive military mapping
We have less than half the population and 1.5x the GDP of Russia, if we wanted to outgun them we could.
This guy disagrees
I do wish people would read the posts theyre going to disagree with.
Naah, takes the fun out of it 😉
Has it gone yet? Can I come from under the table?
Have you actually seen those things up close? At Culdrose back in the day one burped an engine and the whole place freaked the frock out, wasn't allowed to fly. Bloody huge.
Not the Sukhoi, I've sat in a Czech Republic Mig, might have been a 24, and that seemed pretty big.
Just wiki'd the carrier, it carries more aircraft than I thought:
Aircraft carried:
Approx. 41 aircraft[4]
Fixed Wing;
12 × Su-33 fighters (current)
20 × MiG-29K/KUB fighters (future)[5]
4 × Sukhoi Su-25UTG/UBP trainers
Rotary Wing;
4 × Kamov Ka-27LD32 helicopters
18 × Kamov Ka-27PL helicopters
2 × Kamov Ka-27PS helicopters
big_n_daft - Member
This guy disagrees
I agree with him.
I want to see the expensive F-35B Lightning II that UK is buying in action.
According to the designer of F-16 all simulations involving F-35 ended with F-35 as sitting ducks for Sukhoi. Apparently, the contract for the US govt to buy/build F-35 was partly due favouring one company over the other.
I want to see the expensive F-35B Lightning II that UK is buying in action.
US Marines are flying them now. They were the driving force behind that model, the Air Force and Navy are buying more conventional versions.
Russia's army could walk through Europe
It always makes me wonder when people say this, its like a 200 million Germans, Poles and assorted Eastern Europeans (not famed for there liking of the Russians due to recent history) would just stand back and let them in?
some very interesting opinions here. 😆
I'd love to correct a load of you but unfortunately I can't (being actual serving military means there are certain things you can't says and I'm hoping some of you are not serving!!!)
Well, we did have the Fairey Gannet, an extraordinarily capable ASW/AEW aircraft, with superb loiter capabilities when one engine was shut down, but they were scrapped by Tony Benn.
Shortly after, we had the Falklands conflict, and had to cobble together a radar bolted to the side of a Sea King helicopter.
Genius move, Tony
Not entirely fair, for the Gannet required a catapult to launch from a carrier, the last of our catapult carriers was retired in 1978 because it was basically knackered. The three "carriers" that replaced Ark Royal carried neither catapults nor arrester gear, so the only aircraft capable of using them would be VTOL/VSTOL, hence the Sea Harrier and helicopters.
Our two new Queen Elizabeth carriers also have no catapults or arrester gear, so we'll have the same problem of how we facilitate beyond the horizon radar and sensor coverage.
The reasons why our new carriers don't have catapults and arrester gear - despite being designed with fitment of them in mind - are maddening. Apparently British Aerospace were looking at refitting both our carriers prior to them being commissioned and the costs rapidly escalated. One of the reasons for this was that BAe were concerned that the government would cancel the order for F-35s and instead order F-18Es or French Rafale Ms, either of which would be substantially cheaper and would carry more ordinance than the F-35B or C variants.
5 pages of waffle based on a ship sailing through the worlds busiest shipping lane.
Craaaaaaazy times
The russian navy and the SNP both fly the Saltire (St. Andrew's cross).
Makes you think......
scandal42 - Member5 pages of waffle based on a ship sailing through the worlds busiest shipping lane.
Craaaaaaazy times
If you think that's bad, have a look at the Macan thread
we'll have the same problem of how we facilitate beyond the horizon radar and sensor coverage.
UAVs will have that covered off in no time and with loitering times well beyond previous rotary or fixed wing aircraft
It always makes me wonder when people say this, its like a 200 million Germans, Poles and assorted Eastern Europeans (not famed for there liking of the Russians due to recent history) would just stand back and let them in?
Do you understand how warfare works?
@wilbert "We're just not governed by a mobster with a small penis."
Putin will now already have a copy of this on his desk. The fact you are reading this is the delay in finding your address due to our piss poor BT broadband, however they are coming. A cup of radio active?
Why did the UK and all the other countries on route just ignore the the rust buckets as they sailed by? Nothing upsets a bully than being ignored.
Why did the UK and all the other countries on route just ignore the the rust buckets as they sailed by?
errr cos we're all mates?
It was a viciously sharp slice of mango, wasn't it, sir.
So the two Russian corvettes that sailed north from Portugal to "meet and escort" the aircraft-carrier convoy appear to have [i]accidently[/i] ended up in the Baltic, using the convoy as cover.
So now Russia have two nuclear-missile-equipped ships sitting just off the Baltic states.
http://uatoday.tv/press/is-russia-shipping-nuclear-capable-cruise-missiles-to-the-baltic-792664.html
Also reported in today's Times but that's behind a paywall.
Russian MIG from the carrier has crashed into the Med. It seems the pilots have very little aircraft carrier experience as the old tub doesn't set sail very often.
or it had a technical issue as reported
Sky only speaking of a lack of flying practice although clearly a tech fault is very possible/likely.
Fair enough, technical here: http://news.sky.com/story/pilot-ejects-as-mig-29-fighter-jet-crashes-into-mediterranean-sea-10657716