Load area height is greater in pretty much everything vs A6 -low roof / high floor
Has your R arrived yet OP?
molgrips - Member
I wonder how they've made the boot that big, having been in both an Octy and an A6...
Or you could wonder how they've made the boot on the A6 so 'small'?
🙂
The Civic tourer (which could well be my next car when the time comes to replace) is 624/1668 litres boot space, so slightly bigger than the A6 with the seats up and slightly smaller than the A6 with seats down. But it's a smaller car.
Probably to do with better interior space for passengers, at the expense of bootspace.....
OP - get the Golf. You'll regret it, if you don't.
What you really need to think is what does the car say about you i.e.
Golf R = Tosser
Audi A6 = Granddad
Do you want to be considered either of these?
If you must have a silly car then get an Alfa.
To the OP. If I lived where you do and not the over crowded SE of England (plus spend most of my time on the motorways when I'm driving) I'd get the R and put up with it being too small occasionally. Big diesels are nice ("old mens cars":) )to drive but they are mostly in big cars and hence not handlers. Maybe a 330d x4 is about the nearest as a compromise?
The trouble with M5/RS6/E63 is that you can't fit towbars without compromising your insurance. Otherwise I'd be tempted. Always fancied a super quick estate.
dragon - MemberWhat you really need to think is what does the car say about you i.e.
Golf R = Tosser
Audi A6 = Granddad
If anything that view point is one of a Tosser 8)
30k you say, 328i/330d Touring would be my choice if new / nearly new
Footflaps. As I said, it isn't an R, but it is a gti. Same power, bigger brakes ( golf performance pack ones as standard) and lighter.Just putting it out there. I admit I may be bias, but the figures can be looked up by anyone.
We had a petrol VRS as the wife's company car when I still had the V6 4Motion (pre-decessor to the R32). It was OK, but the 4motion wiped the floor with it in just about every way other than load space. I'm very tempted by the Golf R, but just can't justify blowing £30k, so will stick with the 1.0 Picanto for now as it only costs £32/month...
30k you say, 328i/330d Touring would be my choice if new / nearly new
Great unless you want to drive somewhere in the snow and ice.
Great [i]in four wheel drive version [/i]when you want to drive somewhere in the snow and ice
It was slightly tongue in cheek but seriously the back roads in Scotland are narrow, with kids, cyclists, sheep, deer, tractors, walkers etc, on them. Pretty much everyday has a horrific crash as the headline on the local paper and yet people want ever more mad cars to rag around them. Get your kicks on the hill or track IMO.
Heck even a standard 2.0l diesel Golf isn't slow, and will get you to your destination in more comfort than a lowered and stiffened 'sports' variant.
@tonyg - they don't do the Touring in 4wd and I'd rather drive an A6 Quattro than an X3/5. @timc was speaking of he rwd touring, my neighbour has a 330 coupe, he's been stuck unable to get out of our road for a week at a time in bad weather. Ditto neighbours with Mercs.
Footflaps I am vermently agreeing with you, its not an R.
I offered it up as worth a moments thought as it seemed to combine some of the fun of the R with some of the size and practicality of the a6 avant.
It has far less power than the R, fwd only and a bog standard diff with just a bit of eelectronics and brakes trying to limit slip...nah. It is not an R! It is a bit lighter and not too bad, but it isn't an R.
Apparently Skoda are asking new vrs owners about interest in more power and awd.... Maybe in a few years an octy R will appear.... But it isn't around now. For the time being it is not competition for the R and I'm not suggesting it is
jambalaya - Member
Great unless you want to drive somewhere in the snow and ice.
Not really a concern on Merseyside so i didnt think of that 🙂
Great unless you want to drive somewhere in the snow and ice.
Winter tyres aren't a big expense if you've already bought a 30k car.
they don't do the Touring in 4wd
In the Diesels they do, right up to 335d. 335d X-drive Touring would be lovely. They don't do the 5-series in X-drive, which is a shame but see the above point for the fix.
the back roads in Scotland are narrow, with kids, cyclists, sheep, deer, tractors, walkers etc, on them.
Not everywhere, or even most places. There's a lot of empty, well sighted roads out there.
Great unless you want to drive somewhere in the snow and ice.
Been in a RWD Merc for the last couple of winters. Cold weather/snow not really a problem at all with cold weather/snow tyres on. Whatever I replace it with will also have cold weather tyres put on.
@peter appreciate that but we the audi and golf will go up an icy hill with normal tyres.
Interesting on the x-drive, didn't know they did those.
appreciate that but we the audi and golf will go up an icy hill with normal tyres.
Not really a very good idea in Scotland in winter though, since it won't be able to steer or stop very well once it gets over the other side 🙂
(surely we can't have a winter tyre debate in June! 😉 )
I'd get the Audi, but going fast isn't really a priority to me any more.
I'm sure the novelty of out gunning most other cars on the road starts to wane eventually.
I've always thought lease cars a money pit but making a lot of sense these days. Our Galaxy, by the time it's paid off, will probably have cost the same as a new one on lease, & it will be worth chuff all to sell.
I doubt you'll be too dissapointed in either car op.
Go order one. You only live once.
dragon - Member
It was slightly tongue in cheek but seriously the back roads in Scotland are narrow, with kids, cyclists, sheep, deer, tractors, walkers etc, on them. Pretty much everyday has a horrific crash as the headline on the local paper and yet people want ever more mad cars to rag around them. Get your kicks on the hill or track IMO.
Tongue in cheek or not, that's still nonsense.
Anyway, has a question about buying either a hot hatch or an exec barge really gone on 5 pages? Peterfile is actually Hora and I claim my £5.
dragon - why are Golf drivers tossers......?
Yeah get an Alfa, brilliant idea 🙄
I traded my 2.0 GT TDI in for the R, yes it wasn't slow but jeez not comparable, also the R really isn't uncomfortable. Yes its stiff. You can also get ACC for the Mk7
Golf R without shadow of a doubt......but then I have a Golf R32 and it makes me smile whenever I get in the driving seat.........as for economy the new R with it's engine instead of the R32 is even more economical. Recent trip up to Scotland 470 miles each way cruise control set on motorway with some overtaking on A and B roads averaged 33mpg. Pootling round whilst up in highlands taking in sights sounds and smells got 35mpg.
I don't know if the new R has slightly smaller boot than standard Golf like my R32 to allow room for the 4motion etc. still big enough for two peoples luggage for a weeks mixed weather walking etc.
I'd get the A6, fwiw. Relaxed cruising rather than boy racering. You're not going to get tempted into killing yourself in an A6.
Despite not wanting another Mercedes, I've just spotted a C350 Sport Estate which looks great on paper. 2011 can be picked up for sensible money. Basically a (much) newer and quicker version of my current car.
More torque and better mpg than a 335d? Sounds like it should be in the right ball park... 🙂
Worth a look I think.
Oo oo oo!
Peter, I went the other way. I sold my 335d coupe with detactable towbar and bought a 2010 C320cdi sport estate.
My 335d was remapped and fantastic, I've left the Merc alone and it's fabulous, not as fast or economical but surprisingly compentant and dynamically good. Plenty of toys and space and at £11k with full merc service history and 67k on the clock it was a veritable bargain.
I've done 12k miles in 3 months and I now really love it, especially in sport mode. Loads of space, always comfortable and looks great with the AMG kit.
I don't envy your position, I go through something similar everyday on cars but think a fast, auto diesel estate is the best compromise.... Until I can my mind again! 🙂
Best of luck to you!
At 2011 the c350cdi Merc should be the newer V6 diesel with lower emissions / more bhp (265bhp) / better gearbox. A pretty underrated car. They seem very reliable too (better than the previous 231bhp engine).
Get the A6. The Golf R is a decent car but it's no street going race car. It doesn't have the space/practicality of the A6 or the performance of an M135i. The mrs has the 3.0 supercharged A6 and it goes well but unfortunately like most VAG cars understeers like a complete barge so I wouldn't ever consider a VAG car bar the R8 as my go to "fun" car.
My neighbour owns a Volkswagen dealership so I have driven pretty much all of them. From what I've seen the "R" badge isn't exactly sacred, he had a touran with an R badge which was a 2.0 TDI?
I won't deny I'm a BMW man but the A6 as a mode of transport is a very nice place to be and the more performance orientated engines are tractable (diesels are banned in my household so can only speak for the petrols :P) so yes go for the A6.
he had a touran with an R badge which was a 2.0 TDI?
That would be "R-line", which is more a level of equipment than performance. In the same way an Audi A6 S-Line is not an S6. The only actual 'R' cars are the Golf and Scirocco, and limited numbers of LHD Polo R WRCs.
I looked at the a6 when I bought my last car, nice car but just felt huge so of the two I'd go for the golf.
[i]I'd get the Audi, but going fast isn't really a priority to me any more.
I'm sure the novelty of out gunning most other cars on the road starts to wane eventually.[/i]
But the OP is a relatively new driver so I guess he's still got that phase to go through. But I'm with you and wouldn't have either.
That would be "R-line", which is more a level of equipment than performance. In the same way an Audi A6 S-Line is not an S6. The only actual 'R' cars are the Golf and Scirocco, and limited numbers of LHD Polo R WRCs.
Ok well that makes sense. However I don't really see how the golf is not much more than a tuned GTI? I admit I haven't looked into the exact specs but definitely driving it when you get to anything above 7/10ths the front end starts wandering and the engine gets wheezy at the top end.
I'm not in the market for a hot hatch but can't see why anyone would consider the Golf R over an M135i unless you had a real affinity for the "golf" brand.
I'm not in the market for a hot hatch but can't see why anyone would consider the Golf R over an M135i
Maybe because the 1 Series has looks only a mother could love. It's slightly less hideous since the facelift, but still hideous.
However I don't really see how the golf is not much more than a tuned GTI
Well, yes, that's exactly what it is. That's how cars work when there are different models in a range. The GTI is just a tuned version of the 1.4 TSI one too.
An RS6 is just a tuned S6, which is just a tuned A6, and an M135i, is just a tuned 116i. Clever innit?
I'm not in the market for a hot hatch but can't see why anyone would consider the Golf R over an M135i unless you had a real affinity for the "golf" brand.
Quite different specification. Golf doesn't suffer same image problems (if that's important to you) golf not as ugly (again if that's important to you).
njee20 - MemberWell, yes, that's exactly what it is. That's how cars work when there are different models in a range. The GTI is just a tuned version of the 1.4 TSI one too.
An RS6 is just a tuned S6, which is just a tuned A6, and an M135i, is just a tuned 116i. Clever innit?
Ford Escort Cosworth.
Check and mate. 😛
njee20 - Member
Well, yes, that's exactly what it is. That's how cars work when there are different models in a range. The GTI is just a tuned version of the 1.4 TSI one too.
An RS6 is just a tuned S6, which is just a tuned A6, and an M135i, is just a tuned 116i. Clever innit?
Ford Escort Cosworth.
Check and mate.
Eh?
Not sure you can compare a 1 series and a Golf, unless the latest version of the 1 series is a lot bigger than the previous one.
The 1 series is tiny inside, with a small boot and very little rear passenger space. God knows how they achieved it, as it's not that small outside.
I'm not in the market for a hot hatch but can't see why anyone would consider the Golf R over an M135i unless you had a real affinity for the "golf" brand.
4wd
It's not a BMW.
Well, yes, that's exactly what it is. That's how cars work when there are different models in a range. The GTI is just a tuned version of the 1.4 TSI one too.An RS6 is just a tuned S6, which is just a tuned A6, and an M135i, is just a tuned 116i. Clever innit?
Wow that is clever! So my 550i is a detuned M5? Unfortunately that would also make my M3 a tuned 335i? I'll just go buy a 320d and put an M3 badge on it to cover all the bases!
You know what I meant, all the reviews seem to state that the Golf R has new pistons and a slightly better flowing head for it to rev better. At least the M135i has the N55 which is unique to the X35i's.
I'm assuming anyone who spends 30k on a golf also looks at the alternatives (apart from everything else in the VAG group) A45 AMG is on another bracket price wise but the 135i can be had with very good discount especially for cash and lease.
Looks are subjective, there is no comparison on performance and driver reward.
Looks are subjective, there is no comparison on performance and driver reward.
Except there is. Otherwise no one would buy the Golf. We know you like the BMW, but it's not as clear cut as it's being better...
I'm not in the market for a hot hatch but can't see why anyone would consider the Golf R over an M135i unless you had a real affinity for the "golf" brand.
I'm going to file this with the comment I read on here a few months ago from some bloke which went something along the lines of 'Honda have really good ideas and implement them really really badly.' 🙄