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I told I guy I work with that I liked his handbag and his perfume smelt nice (dead strong and he was splashing it on like Henry Cooper).
It's the only way to describe the bag and the perfume he was wearing was some kind of Calvin Something or the other (he told me but I cant remember)
Anyway I pretty much stuck to my guns and he got really quite upset.
So anyway, when did it become OK for men to wear perfume and carry handbags or do I owe this chap an apology.
Its a manbag,
you've pulled!
Ask him if he shaves his plums as well
Im surprised he didn't scratch your eyes out.
He is otherwise a bloke but I suppose he's lived in London for too long.
The other day - Facecream FFS
Did you offer him a facial?
we have a few of them in our London office - all handbags & moisturiser
It worries me.
A rucsac and some pit spray no problem but handbags?? What is the world coming to?
It worries me too. I'd much rather the world were in the hands of witty and urbane Neanderthals like you. 🙂
Me too.
Avdave - the lady doth protest too much methinks.
Got the missus on the look out for nice mulberry number or something fella?
Joolsburger,you may be facing a claim for sexual discrimination,you humiliated this chap because he showed gay side,sadly we are seeing more nd more feminisation of the male,and of the male being seen as a sex symbol to sell product.
Best to offer profuse apologies,and get a DVD copy of Queer as folk.
He's not gay at all the gay guy we work with was completely in agreement that handbags are for the ladies.
Im not talking about his sexuality at all couldnt care less about that my issue is blokes with perfume and bloody handbags.
[url= http://www.metro-sexual.co.uk/ ]Metrosexual[/url] is what they are
So anyway, when did it become OK for men to wear perfume and carry handbags
Around the turn of the last decade grandad. 🙄
have you noticed the kids not doing up their laces or leaving their jeans round their arses yet?
I don't think it is sex discrimination but it could be construed as intimidation. You are on dangerous ground
How far from 'manbag' is a messenger bag?
Joolsburger,you may be by your attitude and words saying that he is less of a man than yourself,because instead of using a satchel,breifcase,and wearing high scent aftershave to cover up a personal odour problem,it could well be seen as a case of discrimination.
Gald to see you have the token Gay man working with you.
How far from 'manbag' is a messenger bag
one & the same - a messenger bag is a handbag
Wow can of worms eh..
This is a leather handbag afaic and the perfume well it was flowery, problem was a joke turned into a row and he did get really stressed.
No "token" gays in my office just a gay man who is a good mate.
Too much perfume is a bit distasteful, as is cheap aftershave or dousing yourself in lynx. I believe a fella should have a good scent, decent shoes and be dressed right. It's generally a point of banter and mick taking both ways at work. Sounds like your work mate is a bit over sensitive, it's all horses for courses, you should dress for yourself.
you should dress for yourself
my Mum still dresses me
Are there any "real men" left in the world?
or dousing yourself in lynx
That's also a real big fire risk.
Is this an experiment in what the internet would have been like in the 1970s?
CG - Yoo hoo! over here!!!
my Mum still dresses me
Now that's love 😳
Why hello WCA! How are you? Are you still in one piece from that silly fixie of yours?
gt85 and a hessian sack is the future!
[i]problem was a joke turned into a row and he did get really stressed. [/i]
Guess he didn't find your joke funny and probably offensive which makes you in the wrong.
Well no handbag this morning.
Personally I'm all for peoples freedom to do what they want and my freedom to take the piss. I am obviously old fashioned but unapologetic, the guy had a handbag FFS.
Where do you keep all your stuff if not in a bag?
You sound insecure in your masculinity. :p
Where do you keep all your stuff if not in a bag?
what stuff?
Phone & wallet in pocket
Well presumable that's why you dont carry a bag. Neither do I 99% of the time.
Maybe these people carry more things than you, shock horror!
Look, if you fancy him then just be direct rather than tiptoe around the issue.
Guess he didn't find your joke funny and probably offensive which makes you in the wrong.
Not really sure that you can make that judgement from a single persons offense.
Perfume? Is male perfume available, or is it just aftershave that's existed for real men for the past century?
Bags - depends on the bag, a bit odd:
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I personally have loads of stuff to carry to and from work, and at weekends when biking or walking - so I take a rucksack. Any other time I have a phone and a wallet, what else could a bloke want to carry?
I use a messenger bag on a daily basis, although I do use a bright yellow north face one to just avoid any confusion....
the gay guy we work with was completely in agreement that handbags are for the ladies.
Ah, that clinches it then. Silly us for thinking you were being unnecessarily rude to someone about his choice of odour and vessel for personal effects.
I find all strong perfumes male (afteshave) and female unpleasant and foul. a faint wiff of perfume is acceptable but a strong reek is not
the gay guy we work with was completely in agreement that handbags are for the ladies.
He's probably too scared to say otherwise.
[i]Not really sure that you can make that judgement from a single persons offense.[/i]
I'm very sure you can, even more so if it's the person who the joke was directed at who is offended. Why should you go to work and be mocked, there is ways to sort and if the guy mentions he finds it offensive or asks what the problem is then Jools should explain himself and stop ridiculing.
Anyway I pretty much stuck to my guns
I'm interested to know what 'pretty much stuck to my guns' means exactly?
Does it in fact mean that following on from a bit of light-hearted piss-taking you then tried to tell him that it was genuinely not ok for men to carry bags and wear aftershave
I am not some kind of ogre/bully let me make that clear.
There is a fair bit of banter in my office which is pretty normal as we are all in sales that's what this was.
The gay guy here would be very amused to hear himself described as too scared to disagree as he is 6 4 and 22 stone, not all gay men are like your obvious view of them and I think he'd find that more offensive.
I have no issue with a persons sexuality but rightly or wrongly I view handbags and perfume as effeminate traits. I think what really cheesed this guy off is a few of the guys agreed and now his 300 pound manbag is called into question.
Bags that men can carry include rucsacs, holdalls, satchels, breifcases, computer bags and at a push shopping bags.
Not 300 pound mulberry handbags FFS!
Its London coming over all LA, does he keep a Shih Tzu in his bag, otherwise what the hell do men put in these bags.
I'm interested to know what 'pretty much stuck to my guns' means exactly?
It means I wouldn't retract my statement in fact I went on to justify it.
The gay guy here would be very amused to hear himself described as too scared to disagree as he is 6 4 and 22 stone, not all gay men are like your obvious view of them and I think he'd find that more offensive.
Or he might see that it was a bit of "banter".
"I am not some kind of ...bully"
I think being a bully is about how you make other people feel, not about how you feel about what you've said?
I have no issue with a persons sexuality but rightly or wrongly I view handbags and perfume as effeminate traits.
ReeeEEAAaaally....
It means I wouldn't retract my statement in fact I went on to justify it.
So you did tell him that it actually wasn't ok for him to carry a bag? Again, as far as I'm concerned:
Piss-taking in the spirit of friendly banter = probably fine
Trying to explain why it actually isn't acceptable for a man to carry a certain type of bag = ridiculous
WTF. Of course it's not acceptable AT ALL. Wallet. Phone. Keys. Done.
paulrockliffe - MemberWTF. Of course it's not acceptable AT ALL. Wallet. Phone. Keys. Done.
... Laptop? Filofax? Mobile phone? Spectacles? Lunch? Newspaper? Paperwork?...
Effeminate has nothing to do with sexuality and you show your bigotry by thinking it does.
I note however, that you think viewing an "effeminate" trait might be "wrong"... How so?
Well, simply put blokes shouldnt carry handbags.
A bloke having a high degree of empathy is fine however.
Both effeminate traits.
Seriously how much difference is there between a briefcase, a courier bag, a ruck sack and a man bag for carrying your bits and bobs around. It's just a matter of taste, no?
Well, simply put blokes shouldnt carry handbags.
Don't see why not. Why not? Make you feel uncomfortable?
Effeminate has nothing to do with sexuality and you show your bigotry by thinking it does.
But really, can you explain why it is that certain types/shapes/styles of bag are 'OK' for men to carry while others are not?
Or when you think about it, is it all really rather silly?
if it had a shoulder strap its not a handbag
maybe the aftershave is to mask the stenching BO he detects from everyone else in the office?
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I can't quite believe what I am reading from joolsburger.
It doesn't matter if he is gay, straight, black, fat, ginger or whatever. You said something that offended him and your inability to appreciate that fact is worrying. You continue to think that what you said was acceptable but it was offensive to the person and you should apologise.
I have a number of A4 folders and a laptop. These items conveniently fit into a messenger bag. I wear a messenger bag.
Should i need a new messenger bag I will be buying a wax/leather one because the look better and last longer.
Does following these seemingly logical steps mean that 'sales' people will indirectly (for the sake of being PC) question my sexuality?
Will a similar thing happen if i have the audacity to smell pleasant?
Banter is banter, someone needs a lesson in recongnising the line between having a laugh at/with someone and bullying them based on their own prejudices/ignorance.
I have a number of A4 folders and a laptop. These items conveniently fit into a messenger bag. I wear a messenger bag.
Are you a man? Not acceptable imo.
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his 300 pound manbag
[b]Im sorry, £300? FOR A ****ING BAG! WHAT??![/b]
Its not his sexuality i'd be questioning, but his grip on reality? Jeezz £300....... 😯
oh, I'd just assumed it was very heavy.
Does following these seemingly logical steps mean that 'sales' people will indirectly (for the sake of being PC) question my sexuality?
Why does the sexuality thing keep cropping up when no one said anything about his sexuality. Seems to me that people want to put words into my mouth to make their argument more PC based.
I simply and still do wonder when it became cool for men to use perfume and wear handbags.. What??
i think we need to see pictures of this bag
only then can we determine if this fellow deserves to be mocked or not
So what if you upset him, its a tough nasty world out there people.
Manbags and perfume are semi-acceptable, manscara/guy-liner is pushing it though
I simply and still do wonder when it became cool for men to use perfume and wear handbags.. What??
Men have been using some kind of deodorant/scent/aftershave for many many years. Men have also been carrying briefcases/rucksacks/bags for many years. Can't you see how ridiculous you sound trying to dictate which exact type of smelly stuff/bag is ok and which is unacceptable for people of a certain gender?
Again - light-hearted piss-taking is one thing. The fact that you seem to have a genuine problem with it says a lot about you.
whatever happened to pockets?
right this is it and it's 500 I've just discovered.
http://www.mulberry.com/#/storefront/c5488/3834/category/
Now that is a bloody handbag as far as I can tell.
Can't you see how ridiculous you sound trying to dictate which exact type of smelly stuff/bag is ok and which is unacceptable for people of a certain gender?
These look nice 😯
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Is a black leather A4 sized bag with a flap over top & a strap acceptable? Bit like a messenger bag, I guess. I am a little concerned as to whether I should be using it or not. It's got at least one chunky zip on it, if that makes a difference?
And how about Gillette deodorant, with the occasional squirt of aftershave?
I don't have a handbag becuase I like to keep my hands free for the raping and the pillaging and the wrestling of sabre toothed tigers etc.
Just make sure you 'refuel' your face with plenty of beer after a hard day.
*strikes match on stubble*
*realises designer stubble and matches are for nancy boys*
*strikes flint on chin*
*stitches chin up with fishing line and naw anaethetic*
I do have a genuine problem with it, 🙄 oh it keeps me awake at nights so it does...
Its not his sexuality i'd be questioning, but his grip on reality? Jeezz £300
And how much do we spend on bikes and bike bits? And some people on here openly discuss spending several thousand pounds on watches too.
Each to their own I say. And that bag looks okay to me - I wouldn't spend £500 on it, but I wouldn't think it wrong to carry it.
I do have a genuine problem with it,
Well otherwise why did you 'stick to your guns', and post a thread about it, and continue to go on about why it's unacceptable without ever specifying why (though it's pretty obvious).
Yeah I think the bag would look a bit daft and that £500 is ridiculous but if it makes him happy then why not?