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I have just started watching Breaking Bad again. I don't remember films/TV much so although I remember the jist of it and remember how good it gets so it is still great to watch.
Is it just me, in the final scenes where he's in the prison kitchen, he's gone from Breaking Bad to Baking Bread, or am I reading too much into that. If that's intentional, it's absolute genius
Intentional or not, it's a genius spot by you !!
I started watching BB again a few weeks back and just about to finish while watching the end of BCS too. Something doesn't make sense...
In the final of BCS the colour / real time part where Mike and Saul are on the run with the bags of cash. I've forgotten at what point they were escaping, but...
I can't work out the spoiler tag so don't read on of you haven't watched BB.
In BB S5 E8? Mike is shot by Walt and dies.
Meanwhile Saul hasn't gone on the run with his cash yet.
So how do these things relate?
the desert trek is years before walter white
Is it? Crikey. I feel like I need to watch a good chunk of BCS again, dam my memory.
They were not on the run, weren't they carrying Lalo's bail money after getting hijacked and Mike killing the hijackers?
someone help me with US geography/names...
The prison he ends up in, is that the nice one he wanted from his plea bargain, or the one he was scared of going to?
It’s the one he was ‘scared’ of going to, but was his plan all along as he knew a lot of the crims he represented were there (imo)
BCS was amazing. The ending could have been a massive plot twist or some stupid contrived thing to promote another spin-off. But it wasn't, it just finished the story. Which is exactly what it needed to do.
And yeah, the last scene with Kim in the prison gave me goosebumps.
Is it just me, in the final scenes where he’s in the prison kitchen, he’s gone from Breaking Bad to Baking Bread, or am I reading too much into that. If that’s intentional, it’s absolute genius
I took that as a simile of his fall from grace. Lawyer (/ 'cooking' meth I suppose) --> Cinnabon --> Prison Kitchen. He was using things he'd learnt in his time as Gene to improve his lot and do something nice for the other inmates; the time as Gene wasn't completely wasted.
I've just caught up. Agree with most of what's been said here. But especially all of this, Tom beat me to it.
The last two episodes had some absolutely fantastic acting. The bus scene, as was already mentioned, was absolutely electric. And the “I was afraid” sequence during the plea bargaining where Saul flips from one persona to another on a sixpence was incredible.
In terms of the ending and the long sentence, I wasn’t sure how much of that was set up by Saul. He mentioned the prison he ended up in as somewhere he *didn’t* want to go — could this have been reverse psychology? On the way into the prison the other inmates on the bus are chanting his catchphrase, maybe he realised he’d be among friends in some sense.
A thought I had this morning was that, for Saul, the attractions of remaining at large must be limited at this point. He’s tried the “living quietly” in black and white, working Cinnabon, being a nice guy. And it’s massively boring. So, maybe let the hammer fall. Beat the prosecution just to show them you can. Make the grand gesture for the love you can’t forget but can’t ever really have. Then off to a new world with, no doubt, its own power structures to climb, its own intrigues, its own grifts.
The speech in the plea-bargaining was Saul demonstrating that he was still alpha male, that he was better than all of them, that he could take them apart with his eyes closed and his ego needed them to know it.
In the courtroom, he'd already manipulated things for Kim and Mrs Hank to be there - he dragged Shraeder into the room to hear his fake plea and he knew Kim would be tipped off. He'd planted the seeds as to where he wanted to be by telling that was absolutely where he didn't want to be, knowing they'd stick him there out of spite.
Why? He knew he was going down regardless and even for 'only' seven years he'd have been bored shitless. We saw this with the Cinnabon arc, he had the opportunity for a nice quiet life but Slippin' Jimmy just couldn't help himself. At the other prison though... well that's an opportunity. He's forged a career out of keeping lowlifes out of prison when no-one else would give them the steam off their piss, he's a goddamn hero to them and he knew it. At the ice-cream prison he's nobody, at ADX he can be a kingpin. Remember the line to... was it Bob who asked him "where do you see this ending?" and he replies "with me on top, as always." Exactly what happened. fistbumps
Kim, well, eh. He probably did love her, in his own way. But Saul's primary concern was always Saul. I think that was the point of the "regrets" scene, out of everything the only thing he regretted (or at least, admitted to) was something that affected him directly.
They’ll go back to 1984, his life as a cop when he took his first bribe.
What you did there. I see it.
Oops, missed this entire page 6. Reading now.
My take is that Kim always brought out the best in Jimmy/Saul. So when he saw her he tried to do the right thing. Her leaving him was his downfall as an okish person.
Finally watched the last episode. I've not been hugely impressed with this last series, personally. It felt like it had a lot of filler. But, the entire thing felt a bit like that for me.
I had planned on moving straight back onto BB, but I'm very unlikely now.
I had planned on moving straight back onto BB, but I’m very unlikely now.
You should, I have just finished season 2 of rewatching BB and it is as good as I remember. Interesting that my memory completely condenses 5 seasons into a number of key moments while forgetting everything in between. Yes I can remember what happens at the end but that doesn't detract from it.
Finally watched the last episode. I’ve not been hugely impressed with this last series, personally. It felt like it had a lot of filler. But, the entire thing felt a bit like that for me
Me too; the action part of the story peaked too early and borrowed heavily from the 'suprise' at the end of Ozark season 3 in my opinion.
They really took the pace right down with these last few episodes.
They really took the pace right down with these last few episodes.
It's extremely difficult to end a tv show in a way that will keep all the fans happy. They need to tie up all the plot arcs in a satisfying way, but without just being a magical happy ending. With BCS, they also needed to work around Breaking Bad so that there weren't any continuity problems between them. I think they did about as good a job as could be expected, Kim and Saul both seemed to behave consistently, their character arcs made sense and the outcome was as believable as you could expect.
It’s extremely difficult to end a tv show in a way that will keep all the fans happy. They need to tie up all the plot arcs in a satisfying way, but without just being a magical happy ending
Yep most endings falter in my opinion and often they want to keep things open.
Also splitting seasons with more episodes is stretch more often than not.
Finally watched the last episode.
Brilliant.
Also reminded me how much of an unlikeable [hundred in Welsh] Chuck was. Really. No wonder Jimmy ended up so bitter.