Most kids can’t recognise a vegetable….
What a load of crap.
Problem with programmes like this is people will just see the carbs = bad bit and eat fatty stuff instead
This. I heard about a diabetic lady who was struggling with her blood sugars, basically she was snacking on carby stuff, so told to try carb free snacks
Couple of years later she had a massive heart attack, from all the cheese she’d switched to...
Maybe we should stop the emphasis on 'healthy' and 'unhealthy' foods and concentrate the message on too much of anything makes you fat.
Look at the pics of people in times of food crisis, eg rationing, famine etc. Virtually no one is fat. At the end of the day it comes down to quantity.
Then there's the myth of "fat but fit" usually promoted by people who can't walk uphill without puffing.
Look at the pics of people in times of food crisis, eg rationing, famine etc. Virtually no one is fat.
They also tend not to be healthy. I think we also need to end the myth skinny is fit.
What a load of crap.
There is some basis behind it and research was run on a group of 8 - 11 year olds. Might be worth looking it up before calling it a load of crap...
Look at the pics of people in times of food crisis, eg rationing, famine etc. Virtually no one is fat. At the end of the day it comes down to quantity.
They might not be fat but they are potentially less healthy that someone who is overweight but get the point.
Most kids can’t recognise a vegetable….
Sorry, but that's rubbish. Every kid at every school gets food and nutrition lessons and 'knows' about healthy eating (although as per earlier post, there are still I'm sure some misconceptions)
Trouble is that most kids don't choose their own meals they are given what their parents cook (or indeed, microwave) for them and so the cycle continues. Add to that the fact that high carb, sugary, 'unhealthy' foods like chocolate bars and sweets and crisps are to a child more tasty than a handful of carrot sticks or an apple, of course if that's what a parent feeds their child that's what the child will grow to love and crave, with the same effects.
Both my kids (12 and 14) are healthily body conscious, plus their mum and I wobble our bellies at them (child cruelty?) and tell them that if they get to adult life with one of these then it gets ever harder to get rid of it - so don't grow one in the first place. And they're old and savvy enough now to request that we have fruit and healthy snacks around the house rather than chocolate bars, so while they still eat what we give them, they ask that we give them healthier food anyway. But a 6 year old can't do that.
There is some basis behind it and research was run on a group of 8 – 11 year olds. Might be worth looking it up before calling it a load of crap…
Might be worth linking your claim.
Couple of years later she had a massive heart attack, from all the cheese she’d switched to…
Bit of a stretch to put that down to 2 years of eating cheese. She would have probably had the heart attack anyway.
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Most kids can’t recognise a vegetable….What a load of crap.
Indeed. They're all aware of the aubergine emoji because of all the sexting.
Might be worth looking it up before calling it a load of crap…
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I think we also need to end the myth skinny is fit.
Very true, but it shoudln't come at the expense of understanding that carrying extra weight around is not good for you in a number of ways.
There is some basis behind it and research was run on a group of 8 – 11 year olds. Might be worth looking it up before calling it a load of crap…
Lies, damn lies and statistics.
There's a difference between being able to differentiate between similar looking 'exotic' fruits or vegetables and being able to identify it is a fruit / vegetable.
Mangoes do look a bit like apples. But they both look like fruit, as opposed to a Twix.
I don't think i could identify a mulberry on sight, but i could tell it's a type of berry rather than a bag of crisps.
Mangoes do look a bit like apples. But they both look like fruit, as opposed to a Twix.
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Very, very big funny shaped apples.
WWWHHAAAAAAA????!??!?!??
But you (deliberately) miss the point - an eight year old being unable to tell these apart does not equate to 'unable to identify fruit' generically.
I don’t think i could identify a mulberry on sight, but i could tell it’s a type of berry rather than a bag of crisps.
A packet of crisps (above)
If you were to take a packet of crisps and reassemble them so they were once again a potato, would that make them a vegetable? I think it probably would.
a potato might botanically be a vegetable but nutritionally (food pyramid) it is a starchy carbohydrate.
so even if you could, it's still not a vegetable for the purposes of this conversation.
Cheese and onion though - surely some credit for the onion?
Yes but eat them for more than 2 years, heart attack dead, it happens you know it’s the cheese.
Slowmanold – yep, it was, but it was nothing that isn’t already known if you do 5 minutes reading on the internet.
Maybe the program was aimed at people who don't read about diet on the interent but sit on the sofa watching Corrie whilst snacking. I like to think I know a thing or two about what constitutes healthy eating but now an then stating the bleeding obvious does no harm. I thought it was quite a good programme.
Sorry, but that’s rubbish. Every kid at every school gets food and nutrition lessons and ‘knows’ about healthy eating (although as per earlier post, there are still I’m sure some misconceptions)
Perhaps can't recognise a vegetable is a bit strong but a huge number have no idea what a parsnip looks like or that's "parsnip" on a label is a vegetable. The kids get taken to Morrisons which have a decent selection but very few can identify most them... and by the week later the link between a potato and a chip has been swapped for which pokemon can do what.
Trouble is that most kids don’t choose their own meals they are given what their parents cook (or indeed, microwave) for them and so the cycle continues.
The problem and reason for the above is that when they got home and say they saw sprouts or fresh beans or whatever their parents have no idea, beans come in tins don't they not from beanstalks ... flour doesn't come from wheat? .
Perhaps it's not different to when my 8yr old tells me pokemon stuff... but then I'm not sticking pokemon in my body.... the point is its very quickly forgotten as for many the parents have no idea either.
There’s a difference between being able to differentiate between similar looking ‘exotic’ fruits or vegetables and being able to identify it is a fruit / vegetable.
Mangoes do look a bit like apples. But they both look like fruit, as opposed to a Twix.
I don’t think i could identify a mulberry on sight, but i could tell it’s a type of berry rather than a bag of crisps.
As above... but take beans... or take peas... tell the ids to go and find the fresh peas and they are looking for round things... (at best) ... but the point is they don't have these "exotic" vegetables (like onions or beans) at home in a non processed state....
You can show em an onion... and at best its a label on the side of a ready meal.
Give em a tulip or daffodil on a table of mixed food and garden plants and they don't recognise it as a non-food... for example.
This is really the underlying problem.... the bag of crisps contains vegetables.... and vegetables are good...
Ready meals contain vegetables... but non of this really goes back to "reality" ... for example recognising an apple tree (or that they come from trees) or a carrot top etc. or that field of wheat is the stuff ground up labelled flour....
I think you are doing the F&N teachers of the country a disservice, but that is based on a semi-self selecting sample of my kids and their peer group which I'll freely admit, is not an inner city / minimum wage type of sample, so you may be right.
Parsnips are shit whether kids can identify them or not.
Jonv, I was expressing my, somewhat sarcastic, shock and disappointment that a mango/apple is not the same as a twix
In the same way that The Archers was originally created as a public information radio series to educate people in self-sufficiency after the war, why can't popular soaps like Corrie and some of those hospital dramas be used to convey the message to the great overweight public?
There’s very strange kids where Stevexc lives.
The vast majority of the population have no idea that, for example, rice had so much sugar in it!
I'm clearly part of that section of the population and part of the problem then as I never knew that 😀
Sugar, or sugars? Rice is high carb and carbohydrate is just a polymeric chain of repeating sugar, so rice is low in sugar but high in 'sugars'
Unless you mean rice pudding? Nomnom
Might be worth linking your claim.
Not my claim, but I was aware of it as heard about it a year or so ago. A quick Google will find it for you. As you are calling it a load of crap you must have some counter evidence?
I think you are doing the F&N teachers of the country a disservice, but that is based on a semi-self selecting sample of my kids and their peer group which I’ll freely admit, is not an inner city / minimum wage type of sample, so you may be right.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">I don't blame the teachers ... and the OH is one so better not... but there is a big split on the kids... and its generational as ell. </span>
Parsnips are shit whether kids can identify them or not.
Well depends ... roasted with celery???
There’s very strange kids where Stevexc lives.
Its a pretty big school and wide slice across all income levels....
In general the immigrants and kids of do far better in that their parents were more likely to have fresh prepared food at home...
The real issue faced is parents who themselves have no vegetables at home... and of these many didn't as kids either.
Other than the size of the school I think this is played out in most regions... and income group has less effect than might be expected. Plenty of parents in decent income bands (or driving cars suggesting they are) seem to do the shopping at M&S-BP etc. or when in supermarkets their trolley at checkout is full of packed and pre-prepared food. It might be more expensive pre-prepared food but it's still pre-prapred in packets...
The kid who speaks knowledgeably about their trip to Florida or Bali isn't necessarily the kid that can identify wheat in a field and knows that is where flour comes from....
Regardless I bet only a small percent actually go into the garden and pick the food.... (which is what we do mostly over summer)
A quick Google will find it for you. As you are calling it a load of crap you must have some counter evidence?
I couldn’t find anything. I think I’d struggle to find an article on “Kid recognises parsnip” it’s not even something the Daily Mail would print.
I bet you can’t find any evidence that it’s true.
Now that makes a bit more sense SteveXTC but I would still say it’s a small percentage and not most kids.
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Now that makes a bit more sense SteveXTC but I would still say it’s a small percentage and not most kids.
Consider it this way ... take a ready meal and send the kid to the supermarket to but the ingredients. (Without the label)
I have a perspective that I have to read labels on anything packaged I eat... but I'm no longer amazed when the parents of these kids say "but why can't you eat pizza" when I explain I can't have wheat or sometimes they make some long lost association ...
A large part of this is probably disassociation .... some know academically that a plant in a field is wheat that gets ground to make flour and flour gets used to make dough and dough rises and gets cooked to be a pizza base... and that gets toppings... (or perhaps they miss a stage or two)
What seems largely missing is an accociation of a pizza with wheat in a field and tomatoes on a vine and the difference between a water buffalo and a cow... or even that bush in the garden when they moved in is rosemary or that pig is where bacon comes from...
Many kids can see pictures of veg... even touch the real thing but it's not what they "see as food" as in stuff they put in their mouths. Food for them comes in a packet or a takeaway.... the stuff they learned is academic and forgotten. Most kids would know there is something called a beanstalk for example... but a beanstalk is something jack climbs as opposed to where beans come from.
Lots of my kids friends come over for play... it's amazing the number that have no idea they are playing amongst vegetables... they simply don't recognise a pea stalk or carrot tops, courgette flower etc. if they saw one raw at all the peas were shelled and the carrot topped... they never saw a tomato plant or any of the other veg we grow...
