[Closed] BBC - The truth about carbs. Rant.

Awaits I gave up carbs and got fitter post from person eating way too many carbs...

There is a formula based on bodyweight as to how much you can absorb g/kg being fully hydrated and empty. Anything else goes as fat

I know people are getting fatter and fatter but do we

I think you just answered your own question there, clearly you along with all us athletes on this forum don't, but many apparently do.

are we really at the level where people need to be (literally!) spoon fed this stuff?!?

Some of us are.

I know people are getting fatter and fatter but do we really need this condescending bollox being spoon fed to us at prime time on a Wednesday night?

Haven't you answered your own question in that very same sentence?

just eat everything in moderation

Define 'moderation' ?

So you didn’t listen that it varies in different people and that some carbs are fine?

But yes it’s incredible that sone people have no idea that all foods contain carbs and that some supposedly healthy ones are full of them.

Define ‘moderation’ ?

Well for carbs no more than you can store as glycogen unless you need to pack some reserves

In total carb intake not more than you expend

etc.

There is a formula based on bodyweight as to how much you can absorb g/kg being fully hydrated and empty. Anything else goes as fat

No.  That is the max amount of carbs you can absorb through your gut.  What happens to it after that depends on your muscle glycogen stores.  If they are low, then insulin encourages cells to take up glycogen.  If they are full, then the insulin encourages the laying down of fat.

In total carb intake not more than you expend

That's really easy to calculate for the average sedentary person, isn't it?

are we really at the level where people need to be (literally!) spoon fed this stuff?!?

Unfortunately, yes. Have you seen the obesity figures? I don't think this forum, being vaguely related to exercise, is representative of the general population.

I doubt that the people who need to be helped will be watching, or changing their lifestyles on the basis of one BBC fluff show though.

Hence the if empty part there molgrips.... The number is surprisingly low even for being fully emptied though and less then a lot of portions I've seen people tuck into as normal

the second one was auto correct and meant to be total calorie

17 years on drugs, 2 week diet and on the way to not being a diabetic.

That should spur some people on.

A good programme.

are we really at the level where people need to be (literally!) spoon fed this stuff?!?

Well yes.... The vast majority of the population have no idea that, for example,  rice had so much sugar in it!

The BBC should be applauded rather than being the target of ill thought out rants.

Not everyone is able to do loads of exercise due to age, work, family, whatever. Tackling the problem at the source is a better tactic.

As they say "you can't outrun a bad diet".

Yeah I realise that a growing portion (pun not intended!) of the population do need this information laid out as basically as possible.

In moderation, I think that's fairly self explanatory? 3 packs of Jaffa cakes isn't in moderation. The very definition of the word explains it 🙂

I notice how they were economical with some stats, like the swilling energy drink - he went 600m further when doing this, but 600 metres more over what distance? If we say 15mph average over 30 minutes, that's 12,000m - so an extra 600m is 0.05% performance improvement. Doesn't sound as good though, does it!!!

It's more the way they were giving out the information as incredible, amazing facts, but it's stuff that people have known for decades. Some was interesting (like the energy drink swilling thing) but otherwise it was basic common sense information.

See, the thing with programmes like this is that nobody who needs to see the message will be watching. Stuff like this is mostly watched by people that know this shit already - yes some chubby couch dwellers will watch. And in their next shop, they’ll buy brown rice and wholewheat pasta and maybe a bag of apples instead of a 56 pack of Müller Corners. They’ll then suck their tummies in around the water coolers as they tell the other IT contractors how awesome they’re feeling this week. And when they do their next shop, they’ll buy the wholewheat pasta again, but think “**** that brown rice shit, I’m treating myself to some white stuff and just an 8 pack of Müller Corners...I’ve worked so hard!” and just go back to how they’ve always been.

Eating the wrong stuff is just too easy, it’s ingrained into our culture and it’s going to cost the next generation a ****ing fortune to fix it  At least the smokers kinda paid for their treatment in advance and lung cancer generally got them quickly when it hit. We’ll be paying for obesity for generations as the tax take from fags goes down bit by bit

They could have gone further.

More could have been made of increasing protein consumption to help stop feelings of hunger. They pointed out substitutes that cut carb intake rather than just saying "just stop eating bread/rice/pasta/biscuits/potatoes and you may you'll lose weight and feel much better for it".

"Well for carbs no more than you can store as glycogen unless you need to pack some reserves

In total carb intake not more than you expend"

If there's a prolonged famine I'm gonna have the last laugh!

3 packs of Jaffa cakes isn’t in moderation

That’s fighting talk.

They could have gone further.

More could have been made of increasing protein consumption to help stop feeling of hunger. They pointed out substitutes that cut carb intake rather than just saying “just stop eating bread/rice/pasta/biscuits/potatoes and you may we’ll lose weight and feel much better for it”.

Protein will be next on the hitlist, you watch. Too much protein is bad for you. You heard it here first...

clearly you along with all us athletes on this forum

Too much fat is bad for you,
Too much sugar is bad for you
Too much protein is bad for you*

Too much is bad for you, eat less so you don't get fat?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/04/are-you-eating-too-much-protein

If we say 15mph average over 30 minutes, that’s 12,000m – so an extra 600m is 0.05% performance improvement. Doesn’t sound as good though, does it!!!

But if you do your sums right it sounds more impressive.

Inform, educate, entertain - thought it pretty much covered all three.

Only caught the last 5 mins. Were  they really  applauding the  2 doctors who came up with Idave diet 5 years too late?

Yes as they actually provided the diet and didn’t go on holiday.

The Turth About Maths is on next week Baron.

Too much fat is bad for you,
Too much sugar is bad for you
Too much protein is bad for you*

Too much is bad for you, eat less so you don’t get fat?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/04/are-you-eating-too-much-protein
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And in today's shocking news, too much of something could be bad for you.

You can apply that to anything, can't you? Too much exercise is bad for you. Too much water is bad for you. Too much oxygen is bad for you! Too much death is apparently bad for you too, so I hear...

I agree that it got the point across, it's just the way it did it. Reminded me of children's TV shows.

"This is a jaffa cake. This is bad for you. This is an Apple. These are good for you! Can you guess which of these foods are bad for you? *points to a table of cake, cola, ice cream etc* Yes!! That's right! ALL of them!!"

mmmm carbs

Now the truth about that sort of carb is a program I'd enjoy watching. 🙂

Started watching that as the kids love doctors Chris and Xand. I did wonder if there'd be an 'experts' thread on here.....

Wait, Jaffa Cakes are now bad for you?

I notice how they were economical with some stats, like the swilling energy drink – he went 600m further when doing this, but 600 metres more over what distance? If we say 15mph average over 30 minutes, that’s 12,000m – so an extra 600m is 0.05% performance improvement. Doesn’t sound as good though, does it!!!

5% sounds reasonably good to me.

Surely the point was it’s about “type of carbs”?

Yeah my maths was wrong, not 0.05%, 5%! Doh! Although i swear I saw 17.8 on the bar graph he was showing so if that's KM then it's more like 3%, and it's miles then it's 2%.

Still, that part was quite interesting at least.

Slowmanold - yep, it was, but it was nothing that isn't already known if you do 5 minutes reading on the internet. Basically, people should eat more green veg, less sugary foods, and not so much starchy carbs. Which if you have a good diet, you're already doing, along with the protein and good fats.

It's sad that a good amount of people don't know what's in the food we eat every day and have to be told that green veg is good for you, brown bread is better for you than white bread, and to put down the jaffa cakes and eat an apple instead...

Carbs (along with protein and fat) are vital for our bodies to survive

Carbohydrates are on the only macronutrient the body can survive without

@brakes, that American stuff will make you fat. You need to follow a Mediterranean diet 

OP people go in about it here all the time ‘Ditching carbs they are bad’, ‘low carb diet’, ‘stopping eating bread’

Followed by ‘the weight is coming off’

So even people here appear unaware that if you eat too much you get fat

but it was nothing that isn’t already known if you do 5 minutes reading on the internet

It depends which 5 minutes.... within 5 minutes I can find carbs are good, bad or the earth is flat.

are we really at the level where people need to be (literally!) spoon fed this stuff?!?

We are way beyond that level ... years of advertising and paid info-mertials

Deliberate lies and selective truths .. and a focus that changes every week/month/year

This is a jaffa cake. This is bad for you. This is an Apple. These are good for you!

So the "lies for children" continue ... 1 jaffa cake is not really bad and 10 apples is...perhaps that's just too complicated for people who's dinner says 5 min at 800W?

It’s sad that a good amount of people don’t know what’s in the food we eat every day and have to be told that green veg is good for you, brown bread is better for you than white bread, and to put down the jaffa cakes and eat an apple instead…

I think the majority of people would actually know that jaffa cakes are not the healthiest food they could eat and don't really need to be told that.  The challenge is getting people to change their diets.

It has been very common knowledge for a long time that smoking is bad but a lot of people continue to smoke.

I know what food is healthy to eat and am pretty fit and healthy for my age but that doesn't stop me eating white bread, cakes, sweets etc,.  because I like them.  I should really cut them out of my diet but as I am fit, healthy and at a good weight then I don't bother.

Jaffa cakes seem to be getting a raw deal on here. Back off! Surely because they reduced the packs from 12 to 10 we can now eat a whole packet and not worry? My only concern though is with the 2 fewer cakes in a pack, do I get enough orange in the 10 to still be one of my 5 a day?

are we really at the level where people need to be (literally!) spoon fed this stuff?!?

Never watched it, but going purely from the shocking approach we have to food in this country, I'd say we need spoon fed something.

I know people are getting fatter and fatter but do we really need this condescending bollox being spoon fed to us at prime time on a Wednesday night?

Pffft. Only the old and the stupid watch TV now. Sounds like a perfect program.

are we really at the level where people need to be (literally!) spoon fed this stuff?!?

George Carlin has the answer to your question,

I spent the first 20 mins trying to figure out why he called himself Xand and not Chris. I honestly even said to my wife this Doctor's never off the telly, he was the guy we watched last week about the no drug treatment.....

Anyway, while I agree it was mainly "How to eat well for dummies", I was thinking about why this isn't being taught at school. It may well be, but looking at the parents and kids I see the message isn't getting through. Back in the 70s and 80s when I was at primary school we had the odd porky kid, but I don't recall seeing as many as we do now. Schooling and parenting seem to be the answer. Kids need to be told not just about healthy eating, but about the joys of exercise and the outdoors. Treats should be that, a treat, not a daily occurrence but still called a treat.

DeadlyDarcy - whats with the dig at IT contractors!?! Harsh man.

So the “lies for children” continue … 1 jaffa cake is not really bad and 10 apples is…perhaps that’s just too complicated for people who’s dinner says 5 min at 800W?

My daughter's not an idiot by any stretch, but needed this explained. They are continually told during F&N about the pyramid of foods, healthy foods, treats are OK but only as treats and in moderation, etc.

And she thinks fruit is healthy, and it contains lots of vitamins and the like. So if an apple is good, two apples is twice as good, surely.  A glass of orange juice - surely the whole carton must be better?  And you know what - if I squint, and put aside what I *personally* know - I can see the logic in her assumption, in the absence of someone telling her otherwise.

We won't change the food habits of most of the older population now, but we have to do a better job with our kids and just because it's obvious to a (relatively) well educated group of people on a website that is (broadly) aligned to a healthy pursuit (haha, I know) doesn't mean it's obvious to the next generation.

So whether it's blindingly obvious to us athletes on here, or catering to the lowest common denominator on the BBC, it's a message that has to be reiterated time and again.

Anyway, while I agree it was mainly “How to eat well for dummies”, I was thinking about why this isn’t being taught at school. It may well be, but looking at the parents and kids I see the message isn’t getting through. Back in the 70s and 80s when I was at primary school we had the odd porky kid, but I don’t recall seeing as many as we do now.

Most kids can't recognise a vegetable....

It’s sad that a good amount of people don’t know what’s in the food we eat every day and have to be told that green veg is good for you, brown bread is better for you than white bread, and to put down the jaffa cakes and eat an apple instead…

Most kids can't recognise a vegetable....  they have even less idea what goes into bread or jaffa cakes or a micro meal.  Listing a series of ingredients like "carrot" doesn't help because they have no idea what a carrot actually looks like out of the ground.

and to put down the jaffa cakes and eat an apple instead…

See the "lies for children" continue ... swap one sugary treat for another because if they said eat a carrot or a broccoli sprout instead the kids wouldn't know what it is and if they did wouldn't eat it anyway.

What a rosy outlook you have Steve...

It a bit OT but this sounds like the hour I wasted watching Dan Snow & Alice Roberts arguing that the terracotta warriors must have been designed by Europeans because the Chinese couldn’t possibly have made their own technological jumps and implying that the Silk Road was a physical object rather than a loosely defined trading route.

The bit about eating the seemingly healthy breakfast and, OMG, loads of carbs and look at the blood sugar level! … yeah, but now go do some exercise.

Bit interviewing two people (doctors? I missed the intro) who were urging caution about calling this and that a diet and carbs aren't all bad, differs per person, some who are not at risk don't need to be cutting out all/most carbs, all about moderation etc. Then immediately the programme goes on about "low carb diets" and "carbs are bad m'kay".

Problem with programmes like this is people will just see the carbs = bad bit and eat fatty stuff instead. While current attitude is fat isn't as bad as thought, that's only in relation to getting fat. We're ignoring the risks from saturated fat (and yeah, some have been saying they're not so bad, but a lot have countered that as bullshit based on evidence). Besides sugars/carbs is just the easy way to get fat. Fatty food can get you fat also. Both are energy sources and if you don't burn it off, you'll get fat.

Same as always, moderation, avoid the really crappy stuff, exercise.