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Sex, and fear of women, meant to add. Those two often run together.
The link's quite explicit in pretty much all versions of the vampire myth as far as I can see (Moffat's Count has made the connection himself a fair few times in the two episodes so far). I guess this thread's focusing on what's different about this one rather than the same?
But don't worry chaps, you have to invite him in, and he only likes wirgins...
Wallpaper pattern is from The Outlook Hotel carpet. 😬
1st half of tonight's was a bit weak I thought, but the ending panned out well enough.
Overall, a decent adaptation. Succeeded on its own terms.
that was erm... different
Pish
Well my final verdict is 3/5. 🤨
Watchable but nothing to blow someone away considering he came on shore 123 years later and we could have read all the rumours about him by then. 😒
Started well but the ending is a bit short especially the last 10 mins. Should at least allocate 30 mins to the last moment. 🙄
I mean there is no way a being who has lived for more than 500 years could be convinced in few years leading to that last moment.
His fear of death has led him so far to live for centuries and such strong attachment (the worst root of all evil) cannot usually be let go easily. Being a coward to die is merely a form of attachment as the fear stems from all that all that he cannot let go. Such pain to let go of all attachments it makes no logical sense that he could let it go based on mere mortal rationality. Remember Count Dracula learned fast and learned well. An intelligent being full of vanity due to strong attachment of self.
I mean why not live as a day walker for another 1000 years or longer or as long as for the sake of being able to and see the world doom?
Oh well at least BBC has tried ... good effort but nothing to rave about after watching all 3 episodes.
Oh ya ... there are more powerful antichrists about and the portrayal of Dracula does not even make it to anyway near the top 10. Even satan only ranks 3rd or 5th (cannot remember the actual ranking now) in certain religious scripture.
I mean why not live as a day walker for another 1000 years or longer or as long as for the sake of being able to and see the world doom?
He'd been feeding a lot on Lucy, who had no fear of death? At least I guess that's the inference we were meant to take.
He’d been feeding a lot on Lucy, who had no fear of death? At least I guess that’s the inference we were meant to take.
No mortal being should be able to sway such being with the kind of attachment Dracula has.
Lucy might be naive about death but she certainly fear death (she fear death in the sense of being old or losing her beauty), especially when visited by the child zombie coz that is fear (ugly and undead which is prolong suffering). Fear usually relate to death. Fear is a form of attachment which is practically impossible to let go off by mere mortal. Wanting to look forever beautiful is the fear of death with the attachment of wanting to stay young forever, hence she was willing to try all methods to preserve life even if that means the undead.
Enjoyed it, some clever twists etc. Best general 'vampire' series though was the US True Blood. That was awesome.
Enjoyed it, some clever twists etc. Best general ‘vampire’ series though was the US True Blood. That was awesome.
The characters are well played even when I don't agree with Dracula losing his composure at the end coz Christopher Lee did not ...
First two episodes were great, last one was shite. Basically Sherlock.
Well that seemed very rushed towards the end. Enjoyed it though but still think it could it have been something more.
Basically Sherlock.
Hmmm.
Good writers, struggle to end anything
Watchable but I thought it tailed off to the end. Episode 2 was the best by far for me
I don’t understand how he didn’t revert to old man mode whilst in the sea. Would’ve been better in four parts and staying in the same time period in my opinion. An episode to establish him in England and then a closing episode. The new cast additions in the third episode were weak and the episode had a very different tone.
"Democracy is the tyranny of the uninformed"
Dracula showing his remainer tendencies.
“Democracy is the tyranny of the uninformed”
Dracula showing his remainer tendencies.
😂
Like pretty much everyone else...episodes 1 and 2 great, last one left me outraged my TV licence fee contributed to it.
I liked it but agree the final episode felt rushed. Hints about the Harker institute being a bit shady but no elaboration and of course the final showdown. Seems to be the BBC way, high production values and a quality script but no money or inclination to go beyond a handful of episodes.
1st 2 episodes were really good, but the last one was pretty poor. Felt like it was trying to be a bit too clever and for me just didn’t work. Dracula needed to go out with more of a bang IMO. Still, overall it was decent.
ep 3 was good until the last 5 minutes
It was just a bit too Saturday afternoon Dr who drama.
There are a couple of Easter eggs in Dracula, referencing Doctor Who and Inside No9, plus The Master, or at least the actor playing him, is in Dracula...
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a30384485/dracula-inside-no-9-easter-egg/
All went a bit Torchwood. Shame cos Ep 1 & 2 showed great promise.
Hmm.
This series should have been the story up until the sinking of the Demeter, but longer and spread over 4 or 5 hourly episodes.
Series 2 could have been the modern day bits.
I liked the story arc and the ending, but it was spoiled by the rush to cram too much in and the lack of character development in episode 3.
It sorely missed the chase/hunt/teamwork element of the book, but I enjoyed the fact that Drac's iPad was featured as a plot device.
... but I enjoyed the fact that Drac’s iPad was featured as a plot device.
I like that too as he can learn fast.
but I enjoyed the fact that Drac’s iPad was featured as a plot device.
👍🏻😂
I enjoyed it. 1&2 much better than 3 but 3 did pick up once is got used to the time shift.
Dolly Well was superb though- best female performance since Jodey Comer’s Vilanelle
I Was enjoying it until the last one, why didn't he age despite over 120 years without drinking blood and why didn't the girl or dr van helsing start dying or turning after being bitten.
Then cancerous blood is the only thing to kill the immortal bloodsucker, utter bollocks.
Episode 1 was alright, I didn't get into episode 2 at all because it was ~2100 and I was cream crackered so went to bed part way through while better half carried on watching I think, might try and catch up before contemplating episode 3.
why didn’t he age despite over 120 years without drinking blood
I assume because he was lying in a coffin full of his own soil.
I assume because he was lying in a coffin full of his own soil.
Why was he an old man when harker first met him then? Surely he's been in same box in his castle?
Difference between ‘living’ and sleeping? I.e. in the coffin he’s on ‘pause’.
Then cancerous blood is the only thing to kill the immortal bloodsucker
Pointy sticks work, too
He’d been feeding a lot on Lucy, who had no fear of death?
Unfortunately I didn’t get that from Lucy’s character at all. She was just another vacuous young person who only lived for the moment. That’s not unusual in young people. I’ll bet many of us didn’t think about death when we were young.
1st episode was great. 2nd was rather tedious. 3rd disappeared up itself in a cloud of Dr Who/Sherlock inspired waffle.
There was an explicit conversation about why he found her so fascinating? Conclusion was that she had no fear of dying. Admittedly, this could have been because she was vacuous and oblivious.
Unless I just made up scenes in my own head to make Moffat's writing make some vague sense?
So 500 years kicking about and she’s the first one he meets who hasn’t really worried about death. That’s poor writing right there. Started so well and suddenly turned in to Hollyoaks Vanpire edition meets Torchwood and Sherlock.
Unless I just made up scenes in my own head to make Moffat’s writing make some vague sense?
I think I may have done that as well. Wasn’t there a vampire killed to death by sunlight in the first episode? If so, that makes the conclusion nonsensical. But, as you say, I may have invented that. 😁
Here’s a thought- Dracula thinks he’s afraid of the cross because he absorbs something of the essence of the people he feeds on and he thinks they’re afraid of the cross.
Surely it’s more likely then, that ‘Dracula feeds on people who think Dracula is afraid of the cross, so Dracula becomes afraid of the cross’. The same could apply to sunlight, the invitation thing and so on. You do get a bit of a chicken and egg situation to explain how it started, but most people 500 years ago would have thought the cross had power over evil, so that’s an easy one and I’m sure there some plausible explanation for the others could be invented. Once you’ve got 400 years of a self reinforcing cycle, it would all bed in.
You do get a bit of a chicken and egg situation
I thought it was garlic?
Just caught up on the Mark Gatiss on Dracula programme. Worth a look.
So 500 years kicking about and she’s the first one he meets who hasn’t really worried about death. That’s poor writing right there.
Transylvania from 1860 and then back 500 years probably had a high percentage of people who were petrified their sins would lead to eternal damnation?
ep 3 was good until the last 5 minutes
That was how we felt about it as well.
Dracula thinks he’s afraid of the cross because he absorbs something of the essence of the people he feeds on and he thinks they’re afraid of the cross.
Sister Aggie banged on about that at length in ep2. Before dismissing the theory.