[Closed] BBC bias - Scottish independence content

[quote=winston_dog ]scotroutes - Which headline is this? Do you have a link?

Here you go: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/ukip-push-lib-dems-into-fifth-place-in-scotland-1-3281885

What do you reckon?

Scotroutes, I misread you initially about the supermarket reporting. I thought you were saying I was wrong about what Stan Blackley said, rather than what was said about supermarket pricing.

I did say I did not know whether prices would go up or not. I did not actually give it too much thought before reported and it certainly won't affect the way I vote.

That being the case, am I right in saying that Stan Blackley's private feelings are that he wishes some of our largest employers leave Scotland following a yes vote?

Seems he was naive about the problems misunderstanding 'media reporting'.

I wonder if he was reminded of this prior to receiving the jaggy boot!

winston. Don't be too hasty to pack the warm clothes and de-icer. "Free thinking" I reckon will be one of the first casualties of the tartan revolution.

I hope you learn your doric and scots before coming up. Straight from dear leaders mouth,

"People who don't know what a quine or a loon are should not be commenting on Aberdeen politics"

Also, why would for example business leaders, particularly small struggling businesses wish to voice opinions contradictory to the yes camp when it's members display such insightful views on the web?

scotroutes - Member

Another example today that seems to have been "spun" regards a recent poll on EU voting intentions. The headline is that those intending to vote UKIP registered at 7% - a whole 2% up on the last EU elections.

To be fair, that story was largely spun around the death of the Liberal Democrats, which is probably a more interesting story than "SNP continue to kick everyone's ass". At the current rate of decline they'll fall below the Greens soon which is pretty remarkable, and sad.

And it was fun to see UKIP depict this as reflecting "general dissastisfaction in the main parties" against that backdrop. Obviously a 50% increase isn't [i]quite[/i] enough to indicate satisfaction.

What I found really interesting... Well, 2 things. One, UKIP's 2% rise is accompanied by a 2.8% fall in the Tory vote, so it represents a net fall in the right wing vote. The other thing of course is that no bugger seemed to want to mention this- perhaps "Small minority votes for different losers" is less sexy than "Scotland isn't as liberal as you thought!!1!"

Sorry to go back to this, but...

Winston-dog - so far as I can remember, none of the big three supermarkets operate in the Isles anyway. Stuck with the Co-op on Portree for instance - pricey and limited stock. Tescos have been threatening to open a branch there for years (the locals would love one) but have never made good on their promises.

And I see no reason why independence would suddenly require Morrisons to rush up North and build a hypermarket when they've never felt the need to do so before.

The upshot of which is that any talk of "increased costs" is pretty much hogwash.

Interesting development this morning.

Who's driving it forward?

(scots abroad and [i]south of the border[/i] content)

It is impossible to argue that distribution costs are not increased for anything outside of the central belt. The infrastructure North and South of there is limited. (Apart from the M74, which is very good.)

As an example there is a thread running on here about how about how rubbish the A9 is.

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In an iScotland you will end up with the same argument that a lot of English put against Scotland, in your case the heavily populated Central Belt will be supporting and subsidising the rest of the country.

"People who don't know what a quine or a loon are should not be commenting on Aberdeen politics"

Not surprised at that. That highlights one of the problem I have with Scottish Nationalists, a lot of them come out with pish like that. I would suggest that knowing what a BOP or an AHTS is, has more relevance to Aberdeen politics in the 21st Century?

I was being sarcastic when I said "free thinking" when discussing Scotland, after living in the Central Belt, "free thinking" the vast majority are not. Daily Record anyone?

Interesting development this morning.

Jim Delahunt coming out for independence?

So where are all these big supermarket operators outside of the densely populated areas? There are only a few of the big supermarkets operating a few key stores in remote yet profitable locations. The rest are smaller retailers who already charge increased prices to reflect the additional costs.

Why then would prices increase further due to independence? Areas which cost more to do business in due to higher distribution costs already have higher prices. Are you saying these will suddenly increase again? Why are people still spouting misinformation like this?

If under independence the Central Belt would be supporting and subsidising the other parts of the country then it must already be doing so now surely? I have never heard of anyone in the Central Belt complain about subsidising the Highlands in the way the English complain about "subsidising" Scotland in all my life. What utter pish.

I was being sarcastic when I said "free thinking" when discussing Scotland, after living in the Central Belt, "free thinking" the vast majority are not. Daily Record anyone?

What a bigoted little man you are.

winston_dog - Member

Not surprised at that. That highlights one of the problem I have with Scottish Nationalists, a lot of them come out with pish like that.

If you view it in context, he was merrilly taking the piss out of Nigel Farage, who had been almost proud in his declaration that he knew nothing about Aberdeen and Scotland. Treat it literally and it's absurd, it's just a way of saying "If you can't be bothered to learn about the area, you'll look stupid when you try to campaign there"

Athgray of course has seized on it as key evidence that we're headed for the totalitarian Kingdom of Salmond. Which tells you how good the case for[i] that[/i] is I reckon

winston_dog - Member
Is it because an independent Scotland is a stupid and expensive idea?

Hardly an excuse for bias. I note a lot of people on this forum are happy with the BBC bias as long as it supports there views. I believe this is called hypocrisy (not particularly aimed at you dog).
The BBC is simply unfit for purpose as is STV and should be closed down. At least then we may get the news according to fact and not according to the middle class politically correct view of the BBC. Any argument that Sky is biased has be backed up and proven. And more importantly shown to have a significant share of the market. Which the BBC clealy has.
For world news (particularly Arab news) I will continue to give al jazeera a look in. At least I know where I stand with them and I suspect they are less bias than the Bigots at the BBC.

.rene59 - Member
So where are all these big supermarket operators outside of the densely populated areas? There are only a few of the big supermarkets operating a few key stores in remote yet profitable locations. The rest are smaller retailers who already charge increased prices to reflect the additional costs.

.rene59 - Member
I was being sarcastic when I said "free thinking" when discussing Scotland, after living in the Central Belt, "free thinking" the vast majority are not. Daily Record anyone?
What a bigoted little man you are.

What a bigoted little man you are.

Really?

I lived and worked in the Central Belt for six years.

There were significant sectarian problems that really left a bad taste in my mouth. There was also much more casual racism than I currently experience in the south of England. (I'm not a "southerner" by the way). It may of just been the people I was working with but "free thinking" they certainly were not.

Ironically one of the best reasons to get rid of Scotland would be to get rid of a big chunk of people who will definitely be voting no.

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Aye sure, the vast majority of the Central Belt are sectarian and racist and can't think for themselves. Well done you.

SD-253 - I would be surprised if any "jock" could stomach your company long enough to buy you a drink.

[i]It is impossible to argue that distribution costs are not increased for anything outside of the central belt. The infrastructure North and South of there is limited. (Apart from the M74, which is very good.)[/i]

I still don't get this, how are costs going to rise? Same companies doing same distribution to same stores....?

.rene59 - Member
Aye sure, the vast majority of the Central Belt are sectarian and racist and can't think for themselves. Well done you.

SD-253 - I would be surprised if any "jock" could stomach your company long enough to buy you a drink.

We will ignore "I would never give an English man job"
He could stomach mine and 3 other peoples company until it came to his round? Once he had a few to drink his true colours came out. Bit early for drinking rene59 how many have you had?

I think you guys are talking at cross purposes- it's not that the costs will rise- it's that they may already be higher, it's just that currently that cost is smoothed across the UK. So "The costs are increased" rather than "Costs will increase". Which seems pretty likely, just due to geography, though probably not as big as it initially seems due to uneven distribution of produce and stores etc

@SD-253, last time I met a Scottish person he was a phd fluent in 6 languages. Last time I met an English person he was a surly rude cock. I think these extensive samples might change in a minute though so my opinions on these nations of millions of people will probably also have to change.

Or... Since you've been spitting out that line for ages, and it's incredibly unlikely that you've not met any "jocks" since then, shall we just assume it's bollocks? Yes, let's assume it's bollocks.

Il ne peut être q'un seul
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Akshewally, thinking about this...Most famous Scotchish people in the world;
Braveheart - Aussie
Highlander - Frenchman
😉

.winston_dog - Member
What a bigoted little man you are.
Really?

I lived and worked in the Central Belt for six years.

There were significant sectarian problems

.rene59 - Member
Aye sure, the vast majority of the Central Belt are sectarian and racist and can't think for themselves. Well done you

I was being sarcastic when I said "free thinking" when discussing Scotland, after living in the Central Belt, "free thinking" the [u][b]vast majority[/b][/u] are not. Daily Record anyone?

CaptainFlashheart - Member

Highlander - Frenchman

Wait, Christopher Lambert isn't Scottish? But his accent was so flawless! Next you'll be telling me Sean Connery isn't Egyptian.

SD-253 - Member

Independent retailers are all part of cooperative

, after living in the Central Belt, "free thinking" the vast majority are not. Daily Record anyone?

.Northwind - Member

@SD-253, last time I met a Scottish person he was a phd fluent in 6 languages. Last time I met an English person he was a surly rude cock. I think these extensive samples might change in a minute though so my opinions on these nations of millions of people will probably also have to change.

So lately you have met one Scot and one English man? So you don't live in either country? My statement were obviously meant as counter to the views of rene59 - Member
In reference to costs of distribution Supermarkets are required to compete nationally as Scotland will be a separate country these rules MAY NOT have to apply. The RESULT MAY BE that the extra cost of distribution may be passed onto Scottish consumers instead of the English and the central belt of Scotland.

Wait, Christopher Lambert isn't Scottish? But his accent was so flawless! Next you'll be telling me Sean Connery isn't Egyptian.

Pfft. Silly! He's Russian! Or is it Spanish? I forget.

.gordimhor - Member
SD-253 - Independent retailers are all part of cooperative
No they aren't.

That's a pretty broad brushstroke there Winston .You find bampots all over the world and Scotland is no exception. A plague on all their houses I say.

Either agree with a Scotsman or apologies for being English if not

rene59 - Member
What a bigoted little man you are.

I thought the Central Belt was Scottish SD-253 at least it was when I lived there.

[i]I think you guys are talking at cross purposes- it's not that the costs will rise- it's that they may already be higher,[/i]

Northwind, yeah I thought this after my last post, still doesn't stack up though, it's still the one organisation with the same stores in the same locations, it won't necessarily follow that costs will rise. I can't see Tesco hiving off a part of its business to become Tesco Scotland ltd. and Tesco the rest of the UK ltd bearing in mind that it already has store in several other countries, presumably it can work out the cost of doing business?

.gordimhor - Member
I thought the Central Belt was Scottish SD-253 at least it was when I lived there.

"free thinking" the vast majority are not.

Not being "free thinking" is not the same being a sectarian bigot.

I was being a little provocative to counter the image projected by the "Yes" campaign, of the brave, hard done by Scots, suffering from years of English oppression, who just want to be free.

I am not jockist, some very good friends of mine are Scottish but to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.

Myself and an English friend were in a pub in a small village just outside Glasgow, quite "posh", started a conversation at the bar, within 3 minutes the gentleman had declared that he was a protestant. Now he wasn't drunk, being aggressive or rude but he seemed to think it was so important that it would be mentioned to strangers in a pub almost immediately. He didn't strike me as someone who really cared about religion either or did he disclose which protestant church he was a "member" of.

OK it's just an anecdote but I can't think of any other part of the UK where this would happen.

.nickc - Member
I think you guys are talking at cross purposes- it's not that the costs will rise- it's that they may already be higher

.winston_dog - Member
"free thinking" the vast majority are not.
Not being "free thinking" is not the same being a sectarian bigot.

I was being a little provocative to counter the image projected by the "Yes" campaign, of the brave, hard done by Scots, suffering from years of English oppression, who just want to be free.

I am not jockist, some very good friends of mine are Scottish but to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.

Myself and an English friend were in a pub in a small village just outside Glasgow, quite "posh", started a conversation at the bar, within 3 minutes the gentleman had declared that he was a protestant. Now he wasn't drunk, being aggressive or rude but he seemed to think it was so important that it would be mentioned to strangers in a pub almost immediately. He didn't strike me as someone who really cared about religion either or did he disclose which protestant church he was a "member" of.

OK it's just an anecdote but I can't think of any other part of the UK where this would happen.

.gordimhor - Member
I thought the Central Belt was Scottish SD-253 at least it was when I lived there.

SD-253 Your original statement was that all independent retailers are part of the cooperative, and as I said they are not. I made the point that prejudice exists in Scotland as it does throughout the world. I then made the point that people who discriminate against others are bampots regardless of where they come from

"Either agree with a Scotsman or apologies for being English if not"

I don't know if your statement above reflects your opinion but it certainly doesn't reflect mine.

to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.

I wouldn't go that far. A big thing gets made of it in the media because it sells papers, but the actual figures of religiously motivated hate crime are pretty low, especially when compared to where race is a factor.

The most recent figures, published in June 2013, are for 2012-1316. By far, the largest proportion of hate crime is that which involves racial aggravation. (A total of 4,012 charges relating to race crime were reported in 2012-13 - 68% of all hate crime.) Twelve percent of hate crime in 2012-13 involved a religious aggravation17.

was from North Ireland..

Northern Island Protestant = displaced Scot.

gordimhor - Member
SD-253 Your original statement was that all independent retailers are part of the cooperative,

Opps cooperatives not the Coop, apologies. None for anything else I typed

.winston_dog - Member
was from North Ireland..
Northern Island Protestant = displaced Scots

A big thing gets made of it in the media

Maybe.

However, especially in Glasgow, it is deeply rooted in the culture. Hence you still have the Orange marches with all the trouble that goes with it.

IME there is also tension connected with the Masonic Lodges, which are subtly different in Scotland, much more "working class" rather than the "middle class professional" types in England. They are Protestant organisations and a Catholic would never be admitted. The masons caused a great deal of problems where I worked!

.whatnobeer - Member
to say there are still not major issues regarding religious bigotry, is delusional.
I wouldn't go that far. A big thing gets made of it in the media because it sells papers, but the actual figures of religiously motivated hate crime are pretty low, especially when compared to where race is a factor.

I live in England last time I met a "jock" his views were "I would never give an English man a job" He was of course working in England for an English firm

my practical experince in an English company is that if you get a Scot in senior management you suddenly get a lot more Scots working for the company

we now have a "tartan ceiling" for jobs

.big_n_daft - Member
I live in England last time I met a "jock" his views were "I would never give an English man a job" He was of course working in England for an English firm
my practical experince in an English company is that if you get a Scot in senior management you suddenly get a lot more Scots working for the company

we now have a "tartan ceiling" for jobs.

In this case the manager was Scottish and brought the man down from Scotland and supplied him with accommodation in his own house. There was plenty of people locally wanting the job. Lorry driving by the way.

religiously motivated hate crime are pretty low, especially when compared to where race is a factor.

Are they not closely linked?

I mean your average Union Flag waving bigot hates Blacks, Aisans and Catholics. Not sure who they hate most. This racial hatred is motivated by their "religious" viewpoints.

I mean have you ever seen a black man wearing a sash and a bowler hat?

I mean your average Union Flag waving bigot hates Blacks, Aisans and Catholics. Not sure who they hate most. This racial hatred is motivated by their "religious" viewpoints.

I'm not sure if you're having a dig at BNP supporters or Rangers fans here. The point is a huge point is made of the sectarian problem while glossing over the fact that racism is a much bigger problem.