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So Roger Waters is at it again and quite honestly its difficult not to totally give up on the guy - I mean really he has transcended ****dom and become downright nasty.
EXCEPT what was going on with The Wall - the whole point was surely it was a satirical play against fascism....and for anyone who is into guitar music you just can't ignore Floyd. I'm not the biggest Pink Floyd fan but some of the tunes have had such an influence on me - not lyrically (obviously lyrics were not strong with the floyd) but always there throughout my life.
But I really can I listen to them anymore with the same enthusiasm?
Its the same with The Smiths - literally the music that brought me to a lifelong love of music and then I find out Marr is a selfish git and Morrisey is another fascist
Anyone else of a certain age finding it hard to enjoy the music they grew up with?
I've never been a big fan of either of the bands you mention but totally understand the issue. Is it possible to separate the artist from their art?
I loved the first few series of the Netflix House of Cards series, but is it possible to still enjoy it knowing the history of Kevin Spacey?
I don't think either The Smiths or Pink Floyd can argue that they made their music in a different era when sensibilities were different (like Roald Dahl) - I think they (Morrissey and Waters) are just tw*ts.
….and for anyone who is into guitar music you just can’t ignore Floyd.
Sure you can.
It's not much of a problem for me, I have little knowledge and no interest in what they get up to outside of their music.
Pantera
On reflection they were always a bit dodgy, but there's only 2 of left and 50% of them are a massive racist
Interesting thing on R4 I think about this recently.
Doesn't have to be black or white*
(*pun intended).
Loads. The aforementioned Waters and Morrissey. Also Van Morrison, Clapton and (don't judge me) Ted Nugent.
Some good musicians are unfortunately bellends. Fact.
I like to consider that there's an alternate universe in which Morrissey joined the 27 Club in 1987 after the Smiths' last album. We could instead be imagining what he'd got up to if only he hadn't died so tragically young.
Ian Brown’s recent anti vax conspiracy ballcocks has totally ruined his stuff for me. What an absolute tool. I love his music: Music Of the Spheres is superb (as is the remix album that accompanied it) and at one time was my Andy-needs-cheering-up backing soundtrack. But this just ruined it, along with, in some ways, my love of the Stone Roses.
Gary Glitter's music would be ripe for re-appraisal...
Still listen to both bands lots. Try to avoid anything Roger or Steven have to say these days.
It's not exactly the same thing, but the guy from Right Said Fred is an antivax Putin apologist, which is odd considering the state-sponsored homophobia in Russia (and Chechnya particularly).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_purges_in_Chechnya
Imagine if you liked Lostprophets.
I never but, you know...
This is quite similar to the Scott Adams thread.
I must say that when I look at my records and cry bitter metaphorical tears over Pink Floyd, The Roses, Morrissey, Van the man and all the other musical heroes of my past who have chosen poorly…..the gap in my collection where Right Said Fred might have been is not causing me any angst…
I spent my college and Uni years going to gigs that featured a local band called Lost Prophets, they went on to become rather good. A few of my friends knew the band members pretty well so when the news about Ian Watkins came out it was a shock and has tainted many a memory of nights out, parties and even the odd festival. I used to have a full set of their albums all signed too, those went in the bin. Partly as I didn't want anything to do with them but also as there was a sick market for them immediately afterwards for weirdos who collect stuff like Nazi memorabilia etc.
I liked Lost Prophets, totally a band of my youth. Can't bring myself to listen to their music now though.
I just recently found out Afrika Bambaataa is a wrong'un. Didn't see that coming.
Gary Glitter’s music would be ripe for re-appraisal…
Imagine if you liked Lostprophets
In the main I listen to music without much care about the opinions of the artist but here are a couple of examples where even if I loved the music I wouldn’t play theirs or a cover if it put even a fraction of a penny in their pocket
I wouldn’t play theirs or a cover if it put even a fraction of a penny in their pocket
Lostprophets are more than just Ian Watkins, feel a bit sorry for the rest of the band tbh.
I just recently found out Afrika Bambaataa is a wrong’un. Didn’t see that coming.
Well, that's pretty awful. One cool thing I did glean from reading his Wikipedia bio: Cowboy from the Village People was cool and invented the term "hiphop"!
We’ve got this far and nobody’s mentioned Michael Jackson?!
Imagine if you liked Lostprophets.
I did/do.
I liked Lost Prophets, totally a band of my youth.
Absolutely.
Can’t bring myself to listen to their music now though.
Took me a long time, but I do still listen occasionally.
I always thought Lost Prophets were like a corny metal boyband. They were like an own brand Linkin Park.
Came to the conclusion Roger Waters was a grade A **** years ago.
Isn't that why he left Pink Floyd in the first place?
We’ve got this far and nobody’s mentioned Michael Jackson?!
Tupac? David Bowie? Bob Marley? John Peel? Kanye (at least not for sexual exploitation reasons, for once).
Nick Cave shared some thoughts on this very recently.
@winston thankfully the following people just seem to become more amazing:
Shaun Ryder: naughty lad come good. Makes me smile whenever I hear him speak.
Eddie Vedder: the Richard Feynman of Grunge.
Tim Burgess: constantly outraged on Twitter. In a good / nice middle class way. No longer has crack blown up his star fangled….
Moby: yes a bit mad, but throughly decent with it.
Dave Grohl: is Dave Grohl. No more, no less. WYSIWYG
There are many more.
It’s not all bad.
You probably want to Google 'Moby and Natalie Portman'. All a bit suspect.
Because there's no such thing as rock stars
There's just people who play music
And some of them are just like us
And some of them are dicks
Francis Turner has a lyric for most things. I hope that he doesn't have any skeletons waiting to spoil things.
Only problem I have is Bono. His latter utter toolery put me right off one of my fave bands.
I understand the OP’s point. Personally I’m both a Floyd and Smiths fan and still listen to both. Liking the music doesn’t mean I align to their views and opinions, but it does taint the perspective looking back.
But …. Floyd having weak lyrics - That is tosh.
Watkins and Glitter, sadly their actions do prevent me from listening.
But I really can I listen to them anymore with the same enthusiasm?
Seeing as Pink Floyd are old hasbeens, you thought about moving on and listening to new stuff.. new bands?
Of the people mentioned there's none of them I like enough to care and even if I did, well, it's nothing like as bad as your best friend of nearly 30 years becoming an anti vaxer.
@desperatebicycle - that’s a great idea! Could you give me some pointers? Perhaps you could record me some cassettes.. make me a mix tape?
I don't generally mind if the bands I like are arseholes, I'd prefer they're not but I'm listening to the music not to their opinions. But there's definitely a line I don't want to cross and it's probably pretty complicated where it is. Lostprophets are an easy one (and for all anyone might criticise, they were an absolutely magnificent live band). The drummer that left to join Nine Inch Nails should give TED talks on perfect timing though...
But, Pantera... Phil is an absolute ****. But I'd still totally go and see 'em live. I might feel a bit bad about it... So yeah, wobbly line.
Seeing as Pink Floyd are old hasbeens, you thought about moving on and listening to new stuff.. new bands?
Too right. Folk bash on about that Mozart bloke, and some deaf git named after that massive dog in that film. I'm all like "get with the times, gramps"
Could you give me some pointers? Perhaps you could record me some cassettes.. make me a mix tape?
Do your own research! You must have access to that new-fangled thing called "The Internet". Have a look/listen on there.
What I don't get is getting all precious about any one band or artist... I've just had a quick look on my NAS and my music collection has over 3000 different bands and artists on it. So, if there's one I decide not to like anymore, it's no big deal to listen to something else... and that's without going and finding the millions I haven't yet heard!
Folk bash on about that Mozart bloke, and some deaf git named after that massive dog in that film. I’m all like “get with the times, gramps”
Not a clue why you've quoted me and said that. No idea what it means.
But how many of those 3000 bands actually mean anything to you? Which give a shiver down your spine when you hear the first bars of the intro? Do you remember the queue outside the venue and the absolute wall of heat from the mosh pit or the crystal clear strings of an acoustic guitar to a silent expectant audience?
3000 or 30000 doesn’t mean a thing if you don’t care.
What, so you reckon I'm so obsessed with music that I collect everything I love onto my own system, I sit here literally surrounded by vinyl and over there a few 100s CDs... but none of it means anything to me? Yeah, brilliant. Of course that's how it is. If only I loved something enough to still care what the pensioners who made it 50-60 years ago it say or do.
Not a clue why you’ve quoted me and said that. No idea what it means.
I think he is saying Mozart and Beethoven are 'old hasbeens' too, by your definition so equally worthless?
Discovering new music is great and there's never been a better or easier time to do it, but older classics don't lose their intrinsic value because of that.
On a related note, one of our Uni summer balls had a Gary Glitter Tribute act on the line up. Aside from the obvious regarding GG's victims, I feel sorry for the tribute act.
Yes - I bet those tribute acts are really feeling the lost profits...
Only problem I have is Bono. His latter utter toolery put me right off one of my fave bands.
I genuinely don't understand the venom for Bono. What is it that he has said that's so awful? Some very tepid and broad statements about the environment and genocide? The hate seems to be coming from Jeremy Clarkson types that are frothing to paint him (Bono) as some kind of woke warrior.
As for the music: some of the 1990s stuff is good. The rest is enjoyable pub rock (I have seen them live twice).
But I really can I listen to them anymore with the same enthusiasm?
It’s not difficult, just stop listening when you get to ‘The Wall’, it’s what I did. I bought the album when it was released, listened to it once, and never bothered after that. All too obviously Waters personal obsession, and of no consequence whatsoever to me.
Artists who turn out to be assholes after they’ve been producing work for an extended period of time I can live with, but people who are clearly dicks from the get go mean I can safely ignore them forever.
Someone has apparently written a book about such people who are problematic in one way or another, and Joni Mitchell’s name was listed, which caused raised eyebrows on my part, because I know of nothing that might make appreciating her music problematic. Unless the writer is getting sniffy about Joni getting pregnant accidentally and the father having nothing to do with her, so she chose to have the child adopted, because she couldn’t look after her alone. I find nothing wrong with that.
What I don’t get is getting all precious about any one band or artist… I’ve just had a quick look on my NAS and my music collection has over 3000 different bands and artists on it.
Is that all?
here for the Lost Prophets chat, however the court sentencing is online, maybe don't read it if you still want to play the songs eh
I've just come in from the Warrington Neighbourhood Weekender festival, having watched my all time favourite band, Pulp live for the first time. Just an aweome show. I'm going to be really upset if Jarvis turns out to be anything but a magnificent bastard for the rest of my life.