[Closed] Badnewz for Corbyn

I disagree with sex outside of marriage

Sos, stopped reading then!

I disagree with sex outside of marriage

DD doesn't like it when posters start referring to themselves in the third person. So he's out too. Think he'll have a dance with the Bear.

Badnewz indeed to show so much faith in politicians.

You do know JC does not mean Jesus Christ don't you?

(duck! as a shoe was being thrown my way by some JC(not Jesus Christ) supporters)

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Yeah, he appeals to nutters.

More good news for you Badnews........I suspect Corbyn probably disagrees with sex outside of marriage too.

If he was up to any hanky panky I'm sure the press would onto it.

It's ok OP, there are other right wing swivel-eyeds here already. You don't need to feel so alone (and if not a nutter, then some of them will make you feel normal).

I'm a [u]cultural conservative[/u], ie. I disagree with sex outside of marriage, I think easy divorce is a mistake, [u]etc etc[/u] (the modern Tories don't subscribe to these views, so I'm a fish out of water with them anyhow)

So, you oppose Cameron's liberal agenda over things like gay marriage & immigration? I'm sure you will be missed 😆

(overriding my dislike of his associations with the IRA - who blew up a friend of mine in the 90s).

Can you expand on this bit?

deadlydarcy - Member

It's ok OP, there are other right wing swivel-eyeds here already. You don't need to feel so alone (and if not a nutter, then some of them will make you feel normal).

The vast majority here are lefties so that's normal ... at ease.

I am not left or right ... just your simple overlord.

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Whoareya?.......trollishness

duntstick - Member
Whoareya?.......trollishness

Your overlord.

Bow before you speak ... (make sure you bow properly and submit totally to be step on ...)

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Not about David Icke endorsing him?

I iz disappoint.

Welcome Badnewz to the club of the angry and disenchanted voter.

I have met a very diverse range of people who have moved to Corbyn. People who have been very solid for years previously in thier non left views. Even my retired neighbour, a lifetime Conservative voter has had enough of the last decade or so of UK standard politics.
Many of us see Corby as 'the last decent person' in visible politics.

I think it is brave and honest of people to re-evaluate who they wish to vote for. I just hope he holds on in there, with the party members and voters and is not destroyed by the so called 'Labour' MPs and the press both of which put greed before country.

God knows what politics will become if he stops being head of Labour, as ruthless and hishonest politicians will no longer see any barrier at all to treating the population of the UK like disposable toys, useful only for wealth creation and as an outlet for sadism.

badnewz - Member
I disagree with sex outside of marriage,

That aside, I tend to agree with everything you've written re Corbyn and agree he is the last hope for decency in politics, those pink Tory NL boys are making a big mistake.

He's very small c conservative. Making sure those women don't get any uppity ideas.

Personally I'm looking forward to Maria Eagle destroying Livingstone...

I was finding myself moving towards Jeremy Corbyn but now I'm not so sure after reading about his IRA links.

I joined the Labour Party after Corbyn's election but I'll be quitting the party if his shadow cabinet (and some backbenchers) vote this Syria bull$hit through, like they did Iraq.

The Tories are playing Labour like a fiddle, knowing very well that the party is radically split between those 'Red Tory' Blairites who keep banging on about wanting power like some despotic leader of a banana republic, and the traditional working class voter base which Labour has survived on all these years.

Its really sad because I was genuinely inspired by Corbyn's rise to the top, and although I don't agree with him on every issue, the climate of sensible, informed debate which he is trying to resurrect in British politics must be allowed to develop at all costs. I fully support Corbyn in his endeavour. Unfortunately, with a deeply divided party full of political chancers who should really put themselves forward for reselection, or cross the floor and join the Tories, I'm not sure if I actually support the Labour Party itself.

"Sex outside of marriage" after being married for 2 snd a bit years I'm not sure there's any type.

What about the SNP, Eck comes up grand in his new portait(s)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/26/alex-salmond-new-portrait-at-the-national-portrait-gallery_n_8654918.html

The Tories are playing Labour like a fiddle,

I thought Corbyn would be great entertainment value if elected. Not disappointed so far. He's been outdone by the Mao's Little Red Book episode though.

Unfortunately, with a deeply divided party full of political chancers who should really put themselves forward for reselection, or cross the floor and join the Tories, I'm not sure if I actually support the Labour Party itself.

Maybe he's waiting for all the Blairites to resign or defect on their own so he can create an actual left wing party.

Or maybe he's sticking to his principles.. you know, like people are always wanting politicians to do..?

So you don't approve of sex before marriage so can't support the Tories but you are prepared to back an individual who you yourself note has a poor track record of giving credibility to Terrorists and who's party is generally more lax on moral issues ?

I'm very confused and would suggest you are too 😯

Maybe he's waiting for all the Blairites to resign or defect on their own so he can create an actual left wing party.

That seems to be his purpose

Or maybe he's sticking to his principles.. you know, like people are always wanting politicians to do..?

They say they want it, until they are confronted with the reality.

Badnewz, welcome to the corbyn appreciation society.

They say they want it, until they are confronted with the reality.

Nah, that's not it.

The issue is that people have already made up their minds about politicians. So anything that your guys say is always right, because your guys have said it, and vice versa. Consequently, every single political happening of any kind disgusts half the country, regardless of what it is. So that's what gets reported.

So - politician says something, papers criticise it. Changes his mind, and *no-one* says 'oh that's great, well done', the papers just criticise the u-turn.

No politican can win. Now this sucks for the politicians, but it sucks for us more because it completely ruins political debates and turns it into a continuous bun-fight. And without good debate, democracy is next to worthless; and all the politicans do is spend their time lobbing the buns ever harder, and not working out how to solve anything.

This is why I voted for him - as a way off this ridiculous and damaging merry-go-round. I sincerely hope he becomes canny enough to make David and co look stupid. He is, if you listen hard, but it's hard to hear over the screaming.

More cheap smearing from jambalaya. No surprise there then.

I disagree with sex outside of marriage

My wife disagrees with sex inside marriage. 🙁

If it makes any of you feel any better, i am a cultural heretic (or whatever the opposite is to cultural conservatism), and i thought about the importance of shaking up politics via whoever challenged the nonsense of westminster and the conservative-lite that was the labour party recently, so politically I took a bit of a lurch to the right to get to supporting the not-all-that-radically-lefty-at-all Corbyn.

This is why I voted for him - as a way off this ridiculous and damaging merry-go-round. I sincerely hope he becomes canny enough to make David and co look stupid. He is, if you listen hard, but it's hard to hear over the screaming.

This is a courageous analysis.

Badnewz - what a nice bloke you are. Judging by this evening's papers, JC will be welcoming some new friends.. Not too many in the Labour Party at the moment.

I bet he feels a bit miserable right now.

@dd he is the gift that keeps on giving, I read in the Guardian today even Watson is going to vote Yes. I do hope Corbyn survives this as it would be far too soon for the fun to end. As leader of the Labour Party he's going to get a lesson in how little power or influence he has on the issue which seems to have been most important to him over the past 20 or more years. He is a seriously misguided man. I've no doubt at all that given his relationships with terrorists would have been closely monitored by the security services and quite rightly too. I posted right back when he was first nominated as a leadership candidate that his terrorist links would be a major issue.

OP if you are against sex before marriage Corbyn is hardly going to be much of an idol on that front either. In case you didn't follow the earlier Corbyn thread I very nearly paid £3 to vote for him as I was keen the public got to get a good look at his ultra left wing politics.

Yawn

he opposes bombing Syria- Good! at worst he makes people think about it for 10 more seconds.

He is the first genuine opposition we've had for years.

@dd he is the gift that keeps on giving

I've no doubt at all that given his relationships with terrorists would have been closely monitored by the security services and quite rightly too.

They may well be as paranoid and right wing as you but he is no threat to national security though he may well be to the neo con consensus you so warmly embrace

I posted right back when he was first nominated as a leadership candidate that his terrorist links would be a major issue.

I dont think you would let me do this about Israel or Jews

molgrips - Member

I sincerely hope he becomes canny enough to make David and co look stupid. He is, if you listen hard, but it's hard to hear over the screaming.

This is the real problem tbh- it's not that important what he actually says, because so many people will never hear it. It'll be drowned out by "he thinks it's a tragedy that Bin Laden's dead" and "he says Hamas are our friends" "hr wouldn't let us shoot terrorists". It's a little gratifying in that he's required his opponents to resort so completely to the big lie, but the problem remains that the big lie[i] works[/i]. But tbh, with the current shower, they're so taken with big lies they'd probably have gone that way anyway.

its true that to hear his message you need to listen to everything he says

he is not a sound bite politician
Problem is most voters only know the headlines they dont really do politics

I am sorry but no one is going to listen to what he says. His delivery is turgid and based on his response to the SDR largely irrelevant to the matter at hand. He is frankly out of his depth, this is no shame on him, it is an incredibly difficult job leading the opposition, but on this week's performance he is making Miliband look like a superstar. Go back and look at how Michael Foot performed in the House of Commons - then you will see what someone of ability can do.

Northwind, junkyard and molgrips have it right IMO.
JC talks a lot of sense but lacks the where with all to make it come across in a radio friendly 10 second soundbite.
Unfortunately John Mcdonnell attempts this for him and it does not always succeed.

mefty - Member

I am sorry but no one is going to listen to what he says. His delivery is turgid and based on his response to the SDR largely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

Thing is, though... His political opponents don't agree with this analysis. Nor do the press, or people like Jambalaya, or his opponents in the party. If he was irrelevant, and if nobody would listen to him, they wouldn't put such immense effort into lying about him, misrepresenting him, and trying to drown out what he actually says. They would just leave him to be irrelevant.

A strange irony, this. You can measure someone's weakness and strength best by how and where they're attacked. And Corbyn is mostly attacked for things he [i]hasn't[/i] said, not for things he has. And as demonstrated in a million STW threads, if your first resort is ad hom and straw men, it's because your own argument is poor.

The real problem with Corbyn's Labour- and this isn't Corbyn alone, it's a multitude of shortcomings- is that they're not effective at countering this. They're too internally conflicted so their leaders can't depend on support, and their frontmen aren't strong enough. So poor arguments are working. ChrisL made a very canny observation a while back... what Labour have missed most is an Alistair Campbell. Corbyn wants to fight clean but he needs an absolute bawbag, to fight dirty for him.

He is obviously not irrelevant because he is the leader. The problem with your thesis it doesn't distinguish between those who are dangerous to their opponents and those that are essentially rubbish. You are never going to be ignored as leader. I am afraid I think in this case it is the latter.

Corbyn wants to fight clean but he needs an absolute bawbag, to fight dirty for him.

Many in Labour would say he has got plenty of these doing this for him.

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The real problem with Corbyn's Labour- and this isn't Corbyn alone, it's a multitude of shortcomings- is that they're not effective at countering this. They're too internally conflicted so their leaders can't depend on support, and their frontmen aren't strong enough.

But that is a failure of leadership.

I think mefty sums it up well. As a labour leader, while he's quite good at being labour he's phenomenally bad at being a leader.

Just having principles doesn't carry any weight.

Just having principles doesn't carry any weight.

Just a few weeks ago Corbyn was elected leader with nearly 60% of the vote - more support than any other Labour leader in history, and double what all the other candidates put together got. It seems to me that having principles does carry some weight, ie, I doubt that it was his inspirational speeches and clever soundbites what done it.

mefty - Member

He is obviously not irrelevant because he is the leader. The problem with your thesis it doesn't distinguish between those who are dangerous to their opponents and those that are essentially rubbish.

I don't know why you say that tbh. If he was essentially rubbish, they would have no reason to attack him like this- he'd be their ideal Labour leader, and they'd want him in charge for as long as possible. If his fall were inevitable, they'd want it to happen later, not sooner, closer to the next election. The strength and nature of the attacks speak clearly IMO.

mefty - Member

But that is a failure of leadership.

How so? The divisions which plague the party pre-date him.

The real problem is the divide between the parliamentary party and the wishes of MPs, and the party [i]membership[/i], not the leadership. Corbyn's mandate is clear, and that divide doesn't go away just because you get rid of him- it gets worse. Some of the talk just now is of kicking him out and preventing him running again- which is essentially admitting that they think he could be re-elected and they want to defeat the democratic process of their party and disenfranchise 60% of their members. That's catastrophic. This is what he's up against, people who're prepared to break the party apart. (I won't say "risk", I think it's a given; a coup now destroys the membership and the campaigning machine. You'll notice there's people who want rid of him but nobody that wants to replace him...)

(people rightly say, the party isn't the electorate; but with mayoral and local elections coming up, good luck running succesful campaigns having just given 6/10ths of your members the finger and having publically split your party in two.)

Personally I think Corbyn and the Labour party desperately need rid of these nutters. They'll still be nutters even if he leaves tomorrow. But he needs them to be incorrigible before he can act.

And a new leader can't suddenly create a new team- the most noteworthy thing about his opposition in the leadership race was that the party's brightest and best were pretty damn rubbish. The party is weak regardless of who's at the top and a leader can only lead the team he's got. (this [i]is[/i] a failure of leadership, just not this leader)

mefty - Member

Many in Labour would say he has got plenty of these doing this for him.

Who? Well, OK, I know there's many people in the party right now who'd deny the sky is blue if Corbyn said it, but apart from them?

giving credibility to [s]T[/s] terrorists and [s]who's[/s] whose party is generally more lax on moral issues ?

FTFY