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Im waiting to hear of the sentences these scumbags are due.
After the 2011 London riots two kids got 4 years for inciting over Facebook a riot which never took place. Although I think the sentences might have been reduced on appeal.
Apparently last night over a hundred were arrested in London. They are going to need a large floating prison or something to house them all
The lad in the grey running up & down giving it the big one - officer takes 2 steps in his direction & the lad runs off like a scared little bird. So hard, so brainless, such a waste of space..
You can't claim Job Seekers on remand, innit.
Interesting – I asked my wife about this, and she didn’t learn any 20th century history either (“something about a seed drill?”). I assumed it was part of the national curriculum – obviously not.
I studied history O'level (before GCSE's) in the late 70's and we weren't taught it because it wasn't classed as history due to it's recent proximity timewise. The things I remember as subjects were history of medicine & the industrial revolution. wish I had been taught about the 2nd world War as it's way more interesting, and TBH I'm a bit obsessed with it these days.
Interesting – I asked my wife about this, and she didn’t learn any 20th century history either
I didn't take history as an O level which may explain why even if it was covered I would not have learnt about it. It would need to be taught before the subject selections for GCSE are made I suppose (if that is still a thing)
KS3 history now must include the holocaust. Then there's additional subject along that, it could be the rise of the Nazis, but it could just as easily be Britain's post war economic boom, or Suez (for instance)
I think when I did O level it was Normans and the Industrial Revolution (Is there a more boring 'important' period in history?) For A level I did European History, so many Charles's and Louis'...
The Times seem to feel that they know a lot about the suspect and they appear to completely contradict the police's claim that he was born in Wales
“He didn’t speak about Rwanda properly but you could definitely tell with his accent, and I think he had mentioned that he was originally from Rwanda. His brother was a lot more talkative … his dad came across quite educated, and presentable.”
You could definitely tell from his accent that he was from Rwanda? I am assuming that his accent wasn't Welsh then.
I thought the big problem at the moment with the rioting was misinformation, I don't think the Times suggesting that the police aren't telling the truth is going to help
I did history GCSE, but I honestly thought that some of this was pre-GCSE? Maybe I'm misremembering? It was 30+ years ago
Did the original Times story carry a byeline? Because that journalist should be ashamed.
I honestly thought that some of this was pre-GCSE?
It was for us. And for our kids. Nick seems to know more… if teaching about the Holocaust is mandated for KS3, that’s before GCSE options.
I guess they’re fine with kids dying as long as they’re brown.
I'm not convinced they are concerned about white kids dying either, it's the colour of the killer that's the all important issue for these types.
I don't think for a second there would have been riots if the attacker had been white. Farage, Fox etc wouldn't have given a shit either. Doesn't fit the narrative.
EDL needs to be made a proscribed organisation.
A GB News (or might have been the Mail) "journalist" was desperately clutching at straws saying it can't be anything to do with the EDL as they disbanded in 2013... obviously trying to pretend that means they (and by extension the far right) dont really exist anymore. Sure pal.
Oh, he happened to also be one of the bad actors that retweeted the whole asylum seeker called (I can't remember) on MI6 watch list" bollocks. What a surprise.
farage didn't turn up to ask questions in parliament, he did a social media post. anyone who voted remain should have a think about that
This made me smile though...
Oh FFS with images....
Newsthump t-shirt with a Pink Floyd related tribute
So, we all know that (social) media lies have led to this appalling situation. Is spreading misinformation an actual offence, do we know? That journalist, and the Dishonourable Tool for Clacton must be right on the edge for it.
farage didn’t turn up to ask questions in parliament, he did a social media post.
Farage knows his appeal is to morons, so there are no consequences. During the Brexit campaign he was forever banging on about fishing quotas. It was pointed out that he could have attended many of the debates about fishing quotas while he was an MEP and directly influence policy. You know… actually do your day job
How many did he actually attend? None. Obviously.
He’s all about ego-driven grandstanding, stoking grievances and offering simple solutions to complex problems. He’s zero interest in the hard graft of actually doing stuff. As the idiots in Clacton who voted for him are in the process of finding out
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This made me smile though…Oh FFS with images….
Newsthump t-shirt with a Pink Floyd related tribute
The Direct Link option on Postimage is currently working for me with pics.
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farage didn’t turn up to ask questions in parliament, he did a social media post. anyone who voted remain should have a think about that
Do you mean people that voted Leave? I'm confused! Lol
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So, we all know that (social) media lies have led to this appalling situation. Is spreading misinformation an actual offence, do we know?
Even if it is outright illegal (not sure it even is?), the likes of Tice, Farage etc are extremely careful how they do it.
I think I might have posted a tweet from Tice? Anyway, he basically does the whole, "are we actually being told everything, I don't know but it's a valid question" followed up with "but I absolutely do not condone violence." Everyone knows what he means by that whether you think he is a hero or a villain. It's a sly "nudge, nudge, wink, wink" way of saying to his supporters "go on lads, you are right, this stinks, crack on... Im with you but can't say so as the elites will shaft me."
You look at the tweets from Farage and a lot of the other usual suspects. It's all in a very similar style. Plausible deniability basically and almost impossible to prosecute I would think.
Binners, yesterday:
https://twitter.com/RobBfromDerby/status/1818656219961110640
Disappointed that it wasn't captioned Jesse's Riots.
And all of them will be claiming that they threw the brick of devine retribution
Hereafter known as The Holy Handbrick of Antioch.
something happens that some people don’t like, so they smash up thier own neighbourhood
As I understand it, it mostly wasn't their own neighbourhood. They'd travelled to do this.
I see there were ‘disturbances’ in Manchester last night. It was protests outside a hotel housing asylum seekers.
That's truly ****ed up. People are fleeing war zones so... what, let's make them feel at home?
The Times has been hedging its bets for a few yrs now. You've only got to look at the some of the hacks on there to see what they really want to happen. Think Gerard Baker, Melanie Phillips & Rod Liddle. It comes as no surprise to me that they've decided to have a little grift..
I've just finished a module on 20th century European history as part of a History degree. This all feels very 1920s Germany. Disaffected people having their fears and prejudices stoked enough to go out and start cracking skulls and breaking shit, which is exactly the point. Their violence will encourage further violence, which liberal societies, like ours, like Weimar Germany, seem completely wrong-footed by.
I see there were ‘disturbances’ in Manchester last night. It was protests outside a hotel housing asylum seekers.
That’s truly ****ed up. People are fleeing war zones so… what, let’s make them feel at home?
Same in Ireland. Anywhere that gets labelled as potentially being used to house asylum seekers, the white yobs turn up and set fire to it.
Because asylum seekers are stealing all their jobs, y'see.
Same in Ireland. Anywhere that gets labelled as potentially being used to house asylum seekers, the white yobs turn up and set fire to it.
Because asylum seekers are stealing all their jobs, y’see.
That's easily resolved, give all the asylum seekers jobs in the fire brigade and then wait for the cognitive dissonance to hit.
People are quick to blame the country's ills on (well, anything other than accepting responsibility themselves, but) social media and that surely plays a part in enabling the dissemination of misinformation, but really this is primarily a mainstream media issue IMHO. For years we've been conflating regular immigration, refugees and asylum seekers as all being the same thing. Schrodinger's Immigrant, simultaneously coming over here illegally and taking our jobs. This is all a cluster-youknowwhat of our own machinations. It's easy to be outraged in retrospect when the fact of the matter is that we've allowed this to happen, encouraged it, wanted it even. Those pushing back were met with squeals of "democracy," bullied into silence.
The events in Southport were as inevitable as it is tragic, you could see it coming from miles off. The 2012 celebrations where the UK was at the front of the world stage seem so far away now. Like and share if you think this is a disc race.
Don't worry folks, GB News have conducted a survey among their intelligent, well-informed and not even a tiny bit racist audience and all the violence and rioting isn't the fault of coked-up, far-right thugs or grifting, rabble-rousing politicians repeating unfounded rumours. Not at all. Its the 'leftie elite' apparently.
Righto. Well thats that sorted then
https://Twitter.com/Parody_PM/status/1818935391052873869
Who the **** actually is the "left elite"?
Aside from the fact that they probably don't know or care themselves beyond flame-fanning for clicks, who are they supposedly referring to here? Labour and Starmer who have been in power for *checks calendar* about 11 minutes? Nish Kumar, Gary Lineker, Carol Vorderman and David Baddiel? Mr Rogers, Mr Ed, Mr Tumble and the Mister Men? Mister Mann?
Purely out of curiosity I'd be interested to see how that poll is going and some of the comments but I have no desire to visit the GBN ****ter account whatsoever.
You look at the tweets from Farage and a lot of the other usual suspects
Farage tweeted that the trouble in Leeds was people from the Indian subcontinent.
I've not seen his actual tweet on Southport but from press reports he was pushing the immigrant angle again.
I'm pretty sure there's incitement to racism in there. And while we talk about 1930s Germany and lessons in history, we need to be stopping outright lies being spread. Evil prospers when good people do nothing.
Who the **** actually is the “left elite”?
It's me
No, I'm the left elite, and so is my wife
Guardian reading Tofu eating wokerati here!
GB News polls are fascinating. Not leading questions at all, oh no. Here's another...
SNAP POLL: Do Britons have a right to feel angry about what is happening to our country without being branded far-right? VOTE NOW
GB News polls are fascinating. Not leading questions at all, oh no. Here’s another…
SNAP POLL: Do Britons have a right to feel angry about what is happening to our country without being branded far-right? VOTE NOW
Good to see there's no subconscious bias in their polling then. ;o)
To answer their poll you have to be a fully paid up subscriber to GB News, not just a freeloader watching it without paying
Lets just take a moment to imagine what kind of person spends good money to subscribe to GB News?
Who the **** actually is the “left elite”?
Well I’m not the left elite, but I am the leftie guardian reading wokerati. A picture of me and my wife at a climate protest accompanied the guardians reporting of priti patels infamous “guardian reading wokerati” quote.
People are quick to blame the country’s ills on (well, anything other than accepting responsibility themselves, but) social media and that surely plays a part in enabling the dissemination of misinformation, but really this is primarily a mainstream media issue IMHO. For years we’ve been conflating regular immigration, refugees and asylum seekers as all being the same thing.
...all as a way of basically putting an acceptable, discussed in legitimate respectable media, face on racism. "don't like them, they look funny".
Remember these far right 4r5eholees are very much in the minority, and as for GB news, they like to promote themselves as the 'peoples' news channel, which they do because they are very much in the minority.
The mob is made up with a core group of thugs, with a lot of hangers on. Once the law kicks in and they see others getting a stiff sentence, they'll be less likely to attend,lest they end up in pokey themselves.
At best its a hundred or so causing the trouble, which out of the millions of adults in the UK is nothing.
Who the **** actually is the “left elite”?
According to binners et al on numerous political threads it’s anyone who thinks inequality and poverty can be reduced by the power of the state. Hardly a surprise that the extreme right feel emboldened when as a country we’ve allowed politics to drift ever rightwards by dismissing and ridiculing the views of the traditional left wing.
Aside from the fact that they probably don’t know or care themselves beyond flame-fanning for clicks, who are they supposedly referring to here? Labour and Starmer who have been in power for *checks calendar* about 11 minutes?
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the "bad actors" are enacting a previously determined plan to give Labour some headaches early in their first parliament.
a previously determined plan
No disrespect like but Stw isn't the only echo chamber I frequent, I am also on some local WhatsApp Palestine solidarity groups which are totally dominated by Muslims. It is amazing how quickly they jump on the conspiracy bandwagon.
As soon as the Southport tragic story unfurled conspiracy theories appeared......"it's all been planned" I was told. And if I couldn't see that then it is because I am white and don't understand racism. Apparently the government and the media were deliberately spreading false stories about Muslims, pointing out that in fact the complete reverse was true had no effect.
The far right in the UK number around 4 million or about 1 in 10 of the voting population. This is not really any change since UKIP or even the BNP. Many people express right wing views but they are mostly emotional reactions as with the sadness in Southport. The far right has a violence problem that not even Tommy Yaxley grifter can control and this is there undoing. Many Tories drift into this and Reform are proving to not be meeting the right wing. We need to address immigration and it needs to be done with good legislation that enables the people we need (desperately) and ensures the career criminals can't function in the UK. This is not an easy line to tread.
Apparently the government and the media were deliberately spreading false stories about Muslims, pointing out that in fact the complete reverse was true had no effect.
Sad to hear but I'm not surprised. I'm sure there's idiots on all sides being led astray by some equally nasty people on social media.
We need to address immigration and it needs to be done with good legislation that enables the people we need (desperately) and ensures the career criminals can’t function in the UK. This is not an easy line to tread.
The legislation is there, but the last government cut the resourcing to process the claims and deal with the problem. Because it suited them.
I also think that legislation in respect to face coverings in public both religious and criminal needs to be put place like France and Switzerland. Knife crime and carrying a blade requires significant sentences possibly in line with the firearms legislation.
Re the 'misleading' Time article....the below is on the article cited....before the confused stuff from a member of a theatre group....seems quite clear to me.
The 17-year-old suspect, who had moved from Cardiff to Southport, “turned up one day in class, and they said ‘make him welcome, because he’s just moved from quite far away’,” the friend said. The suspect’s Rwandan parents came to the UK in 2002.
I also think that legislation in respect to face coverings in public both religious and criminal needs to be put place like France and Switzerland. Knife crime and carrying a blade requires significant sentences possibly in line with the firearms legislation.
And what effect do you think it would have on the actions of either the murderer or the rioters? There's already a thread for this asinine nonsense.
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We need to address immigration and it needs to be done with good legislation
Which would then be replaced by something else. The disabled, the unemployed or even pensioners.
You need to address the causes not the results of them. So more taxation to those with the broadest shoulders, billion pound companies avoiding taxation with offshore accounting.
The problems is money is going up, and not being spread around.
Saw this yesterday and id never heard the quote before. Have to say, it's aged very well regrettably.
Pretty much the Farage et al business model.
Re the ‘misleading’ Time article….the below is on the article cited….before the confused stuff from a member of a theatre group….seems quite clear to me.
The 17-year-old suspect, who had moved from Cardiff to Southport, “turned up one day in class, and they said ‘make him welcome, because he’s just moved from quite far away’,” the friend said. The suspect’s Rwandan parents came to the UK in 2002
So his parents came here 5 years before he was born? And "far away"=Cardiff?
Looks like Buster Gonad might have been arrested:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/fifth-man-arrested-over-southport-29654662
Officers attended a report of a domestic incident in Southport on Wednesday (July 31), where it was reported a man had made threats to a male family member. The suspect was taken to hospital for treatment for a head injury, which he is believed to have sustained during the riot.
The suspect was also reported to have racially abused a fellow patient while at the hospital.
Lovely.
^^ What a mess of a man.
Buster Gonad
Lol! 😀
Knife crime legislation won't stop certain situations like Southport but to argue against stiffer sentences is alignment with the gun nuts in the US.
Deleted - Either I failed to read something correctly or it was edited, dunno!
Knife crime legislation won’t stop certain situations like Southport but to argue against stiffer sentences is alignment with the gun nuts in the US.
Who's doing that? Please, point to ONE person in this thread that says knife crime shouldnt have stiffer sentences.
I'll answer it for you, nobody has, mainly because the question hasn't come up. Because why the **** would it?
>> We literally all learned about it at school, but it
>> needs spelling out constantly, and more starkly.
Agreed. I remember my history GCSE was entirely on modern history and it covered both World Wars, but in each case only the lead-up and the causes. The same propaganda and speech coming from the far right is almost identical to a century ago, except it’s on Twitter now.
Don’t think my dad and brother will be talking to me for a bit after I called them a bunch of fledgling Nazis last night.
Was I the only one feeling uneasy watching a 7yo give an interview on the BBC yesterday about the stabbings and how a girl in her choir was now dead? What was her mother thinking? And the producer? Clear "I'm on TV-itis" which made for uncomfortable viewing. rfectly happy to hear a parent describe what their child has said and may be feeling, but interviewing children - where is the duty of care?
I think some of the BBC coverage has been ghoulish. That interview was a cringefest. I know little kids can be very matter of fact but it was awful journalism and they must be breaking code of conduct rules to get that on air
Was I the only one feeling uneasy
Said the same thing to the OH after watching it.
If there is one thing about these demos, it's made me think I will speak up against any anti migrant rhetoric more often than I already do ?
Was I the only one feeling uneasy watching a 7yo give an interview on the BBC yesterday about the stabbings and how a girl in her choir was now dead?
No you certainly were not - it was awful and I cannot imagine why her Mom made her do that. Unless 'Mom' simply wanted her 15 minutes (seconds?) of fame :o(
Hans Moleman/Buster Gonad is 39?! Jeez, hate ages a person.
Who the **** actually is the “left elite”?
They couldn't pick one out of a line up, and yet at the same time, everyone who disagrees with them.
Trying to counter folks belief in conspiracy theories with facts isn't gong to get them to believe you or stop them from believing nonsense. They either have to come to it themselves, or they just won't.
The man-frogs statement that 'I don't support street violence and thuggery, but.....' sounds exactly like every racist nobhead you've ever heard start a sentence with 'I'm not racist, but.....'
https://Twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1819101701975978170
He's doubling down and upping the ante with his usual casual disregard for the consequences. It's a sad reflection on this country and on the electorate in Clacton in particular that this oily shyster has now got a seat in parliament. He knows exactly what he's doing and its incitement
Some of what Faridge says there sound like a veiled threat rather than a statement to me.
Oh this is ****ing hilarious:
https://twitter.com/fibbymcfibface/status/1819092145531400477
He's lucky that Gnasher's teeth only sunk into his sexy pale grey gym shorts and not his arse.
And how ironic that a German Shepherd/Alsatian shouldn't like the neo Nazi far-right
