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Oh, yes, and tenburner...
Source for your emphasised claim that thay they were permitted to carry arms by the police, please.
Oh, yes, and tenburner…
Fenderextender, sorry for not immediately responding, perhaps you ought to step away from the screen for a bit and get some fresh air.
You've had the video already of the chap from WMP explaining how they asked "community leaders" who promised they would be peaceful. Anyone with half a brain cell, even you, would know that would not be the case and that one person can't speak for everyone and their actions.
If it were a one off, you could (generously) claim incompetence. But the consistency with which Muslims have been got away with criminality for the last 15+ years, not just the last few weeks and months, is clear cut evidence of tier two policing. End of.
Anyway, seems sentencing for disorder offences are not affected by race or creed, so that line of argument has gone.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cpdlvz80pjzt?post=asset%3A144d8b2d-3f4d-4c2f-8e2a-f77b25a7434d#post
But the consistency with which Muslims have been got away with criminality for the last 15+ years, not just the last few weeks and months, is clear cut evidence of tier two policing. End of.
Am I missing some context here? To clarify, you're saying that the police let muslims get away with crime?
Look at it another way, Tenburner. You've been posting anti-Muslim bollocks on this site for years and you haven't been banned yet. Farrage is still an MP. Lennon is in Cyprus rather than a jail. Putin's bots are still deciding what too many Brits think.
"End of" says you ain't going to do much thinking or listening whatever we type.
You’ve had the video already of the chap from WMP explaining how they asked “community leaders” who promised they would be peaceful. Anyone with half a brain cell, even you, would know that would not be the case and that one person can’t speak for everyone and their actions.
The only reason the counter-protest kicked off was because one moron offered a large group of men outside and got a shoeing. I understand he’s since been barred from the pub – you should have a look at the video that was put out with the owners.
EDIT. Life is far too short
The only reason the counter-protest kicked off was because one moron offered a large group of men outside and got a shoeing. I understand he’s since been barred from the pub – you should have a look at the video that was put out with the owners.
Do you think that masked, armed men were not there looking for trouble?
Am I missing some context here? To clarify, you’re saying that the police let muslims get away with crime?
Yes, much of it in my local area.
You’ve been posting anti-Muslim bollocks on this site for years
Not true
The only reason the counter-protest kicked off was because one moron offered a large group of men outside and got a shoeing.
Neither of those actions are acceptable but I can only image the posts on here if the roles were reversed...
You’ve been posting anti-Muslim bollocks on this site for years
Not true
End of?
You’ve had the video already of the chap from WMP explaining how they asked “community leaders” who promised they would be peaceful.
Yes, it's on page 25. If anyone wants to view it, it is only 1:55 minutes. I watched it a couple of times waiting with bated breath waiting for the moment where the police admitted to permitting the carrying of weapons in the street. There isn't one. Are you sure you linked the right video?
Its not acceptable for anyone to walk around the streets armed, let alone to be permitted to do so by the police.
It seems WMP share your view as they've arrested two of the men who were armed. Now, what is the problem exactly?
It seems WMP share your view as they’ve arrested two of the men who were armed. Now, what is the problem exactly?
permitted to do so by the police
I think this will be the third time I've explained it for you. The police willingly turned a blind eye, because they were re-assured by so called "community leaders" that there would not be violence, would not be armed men, and that there would be no need to police it. Of course, the whole notion of a community leader is almost as ridiculous as the police believing a word they say. You can continue to ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
Do you think that masked, armed men were not there looking for trouble?
I think they were expecting to encounter a right wing demonstration, if that's what you mean. If matey boy hadn't decided to step out and invite them to come and have a go if they thought they were hard enough, it's likely that nothing would have happened.
I think this will be the third time I’ve explained it for you. The police willingly turned a blind eye, because they were re-assured by so called “community leaders” that there would not be violence, would not be armed men, and that there would be no need to police it. Of course, the whole notion of a community leader is almost as ridiculous as the police believing a word they say. You can continue to ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of
The only reason the counter-protest kicked off was because one moron offered a large group of men outside and got a shoeing. I understand he’s since been barred from the pub – you should have a look at the video that was put out with the owners.
I think they were expecting to encounter a right wing demonstration, if that’s what you mean. If matey boy hadn’t decided to step out and invite them to come and have a go if they thought they were hard enough, it’s likely that nothing would have happened.
That doesn't make it OK for armed masked men to roam the streets - regardless of ethnicity/religion.
I think they were expecting to encounter a right wing demonstration, if that’s what you mean. If matey boy hadn’t decided to step out and invite them to come and have a go if they thought they were hard enough, it’s likely that nothing would have happened.
I'm not willing to forgive anybody walking around on the street with weapons, whether they ended up using them or not.
Look at it another way, Tenburner. You’ve been posting anti-Muslim bollocks on this site for years and you haven’t been banned yet.
In fairness, I can't see any evidence of that. I may be wrong.
Am I missing some context here? To clarify, you’re saying that the police let muslims get away with crime?
Yes, much of it in my local area.
Such as?
Sauce: I made it up.
That doesn’t make it OK for armed masked men to roam the streets – regardless of ethnicity/religion.
The claim was that they were out looking for trouble.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/96879/pdf/
According to the above link Muslims make up 7% of the UK population but 18% of the prison population . That doesnt seem to support any claim that police take a "softer" approach to arresting Muslims.
But the consistency with which Muslims have been got away with criminality for the last 15+ years, not just the last few weeks and months, is clear cut evidence of tier two policing. End of.
You seem upset.
Forgive the stalk, but a very quick google shows up this post of yours from a previous discussion:-
Because the middle classes suffer little to no negative impact from immigration and, as seen in this thread, think its great, and that anyone who disagrees with them must be stupid, racist, or gullible (or all three).
So go on then - you have the floor; explain to others who have not had your life experiences. What is the negative impact you have had from immigration? Not stuff you've heard of, or a story a friend told you, or something you read about in social media - but specific examples that have happened to you. How is your life worse for immigration?
Go for it.
I’m not willing to forgive anybody walking around on the street with weapons, whether they ended up using them or not.
Good news! Literally no-one is asking for your forgiveness.
Such as?
Sauce: I made it up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-61983584
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-61868863
Two examples for you to get stuck into if you've managed to remain blissfully unaware. The grooming gangs operating in Telford still exist today.
The police willingly turned a blind eye, because they were re-assured by so called “community leaders” that there would not be violence, would not be armed men, and that there would be no need to police it.
They didn't turn a blind eye, though. There were officers there. And they were probably there in a cop-participant ratio higher than at the large scale riot they had been informed was going to happen elsewhere.
That doesn’t make it OK for armed masked men to roam the streets – regardless of ethnicity/religion.
It absolutely doesn't. Hence the arrests.
Two examples for you to get stuck into
Anyone can pick example cases to skew the narrative. Do some ethnic minority men conduct child abuse? Yes. Do white men? Yes. Which is most likely? Some statistics for you
"A 2020 report by the Centre of Expertise on Child Sexual Abuse stated that "In the records of defendants prosecuted for child sexual abuse offences" among those in which ethnic background was recorded "the vast majority were white (89%); 6% were Asian, 3% were Black, 1% were from mixed ethnic backgrounds and 1% were from "other" ethnic backgrounds."[8] The 2021 Census shows whites make up 81.7% of the general population in England and Wales, 9.3% identify as Asian, 4% identify as black, 2.2% identify as mixed race and 1% identify as 'other'".
Have a look at the closed Argentina thread (closed becaue it turned into a Palestine thread), the Dianne Abbott thread, this thread, the immigration thread, Prince John. If you want to complete the profile check views on extinction rebellion, Angela Raynor, climatic change... . A short post in isolation doesn't tell you much, added up they tell you more.
Edit: And he's still at it, cherry picking crimes commited by (Muslim) immigrants to link.
The claim was that they were out looking for trouble.
Do you think they were just out for a walk?
How is your life worse for immigration?
I'm lucky to be living where I am insulated from the direct impact of immigrants, such as overcrowding, extreme pressure on public services, increased crime etc - but I don't think that not being a direct victim disqualifies anyone from commenting on or being concerned about it.
But lets not derail the thread into another immigration debate, its been done to death.
Some statistics for you
Obviously your statistics don't include those who have never been convicted - which is exactly my point. Cheers
Have a look at the closed Argentina thread (closed becaue it turned into a Palestine thread), the Dianne Abbott thread, this thread, the immigration thread, Prince John. If you want to complete the profile check views on extinction rebellion, Angela Raynor, climatic change… . A short post in isolation doesn’t tell you much, added up they tell you more.
Edit: And he’s still at it, cherry picking crimes commited by immigrants to link.
All terribly unfashionable views for the STW middle classes. I have to question the attitude of somebody who names themselves 'edukator'
I’m lucky to be living where I am insulated from the direct impact of immigrants, such as overcrowding, extreme pressure on public services, increased crime etc – but I don’t think that not being a direct victim disqualifies anyone from commenting on or being concerned about it.
I thought much of the crime that Muslims are supposedly being allowed to get away with was in your local area? Here we are:
Am I missing some context here? To clarify, you're saying that the police let muslims get away with crime?
Yes, much of it in my local area.
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Do you think they were just out for a walk?
Asked and answered.
Sorry to butt in but did someone on here say that a man was barred from a pub! Too far Starmer, too far.
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I am not directly affected by grooming gangs because I am not an underage girl
I’m lucky to be living where I am insulated from the direct impact of immigrants, such as overcrowding, extreme pressure on public services, increased crime etc – but I don’t think that not being a direct victim disqualifies anyone from commenting on or being concerned about it.
So your life is unaffected by immigration, thanks for confirming.
Everything you're honking about there is a consequence of Tories, not migrants
Obviously your statistics don’t include those who have never been convicted – which is exactly my point. Cheers
Obviously, that's not how statistics work. Such statistics would be impossible to collate, whatever the background of the offender. So that's 'exactly your point'? That statistics which disprove your unsavoury narrative are invalid unless they prove a negative?
I am not directly affected by grooming gangs because I am not an underage girl
But in response to this question:
Am I missing some context here? To clarify, you’re saying that the police let muslims get away with crime?
You replied:
Yes, much of it in my local area.
Despite also saying:
I’m lucky to be living where I am insulated from the direct impact of immigrants, such as overcrowding, extreme pressure on public services, increased crime etc – but I don’t think that not being a direct victim disqualifies anyone from commenting on or being concerned about it.
Which is a direct contradiction. So which is it?
Which is a direct contradiction. So which is it?
You are being deliberately facetious or you lack reading comprehension. Probably the former
Obviously, that’s not how statistics work. Such statistics would be impossible to collate, whatever the background of the offender. So that’s ‘exactly your point’? That statistics which disprove your unsavoury narrative are invalid unless they prove a negative?
The articles I linked reported how these criminals were not convicted. Stastics about convicted criminals are not a counter to those articles
But lets not derail the thread into another immigration debate, its been done to death.
Sorry, but no. Your (and my) opinion of immigration and immigrants (and let's face it, you are not talking about Polish people here are you - you are specifically correlating immigrant and islam) will directly impact our attitudes to the events of the last 10 days. I put it to you that you are actively looking for negative behaviour within the Muslim community because it sits well with your world view and balances out the damage to the image of the "honest white man', who deserves to live here by their grandfather and grandfather's grandfather living on these shores, the riots have done.
Okay, I think even more non muslim people are let off and ignored by the police, you should see the numbers I have made up in my head about criminal activity that is not recorded, they would shock you.
you are not talking about Polish people here are you – you are specifically correlating immigrant and islam)
Correct. When I mentioned the Muslim counter protest in Birmingham, and the Muslim grooming gangs, I am talking about Muslims.
You are being deliberately facetious or you lack reading comprehension. Probably the former
Facetious is what people caught in a lie often call people who are pointing it out. Don't worry, I'll put it down to the stress - I'm not offended. See also 'pedantic'.
So, one more time...
According to you the police allow muslims to get away with crime and much of it is in your local area.
But also, according to you, you live in an area that is not directly affected by things that you say* are directly the consequences of immigration - in which list you specifically mentioned increased crime.
There is a direct contradiction there. I'm asking if you'd like to clarify. If you can't, then no hard feelings.
*We can come back to this later, if necessary.
There are any number of child abuse cases, some of which went on for decades where the abusers were white. Some very high profile cases which I'm sure you're aware of, and many more where the perpetrators weren't famous so less high profile. Many of those once they came to light showed that the police, social services and other organisations had sometimes failed the victims.
Why then, do you only cherry pick those where the perpetrators were not white?
Is the Report button working for anyone? There's some Islamaphobia I'd like to flag.