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[Closed] B1 bombers are out and about from Fairford the last couple of days

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Yeah, make a 105 airborne! A crazy idea and a crazy bit of kit.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 12:32 am
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But it works. Really really well!


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 12:34 am
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I have to admit when I typed the bit about reheats on the Vulcan engines I had my doubts but I was doing other work-related stuff and didn't go back to double check at the time.
On a slightly different note, I was looking at Flightradar24 at much the same time, another reason to get distracted, and I noticed a small jet out over the North Sea, and out of curiosity tapped on it, and it had been flying a peculiar path, with loops and long sections out and back. There were no details about the plane, its departure or arrival destination, but it took off from somewhere south-east of Lincoln, actually from Conningsby, when I check the OS map, the plane was a Dassault Falcon 20, and there was another anonymous Dassault Falcon doing similar things over Norfolk. Tornado pilots doing nighttime navigation training, perchance?
If I could sus out Imgur, I could post a screenshot., but I just can't get it to work.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 12:37 am
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I stood thirty yards away from a Lightning at Bruntingthorpe in May

I managed to stand right in front of one of those Lightnings last year when I had some time to kill at Bruntingthorpe! I had a wander around all the planes parked outside, and there were some blokes working on one of the Lightnings in its hanger, and they let me wander around inside, having a really close look at them. Fantastic aircraft especially when you're close enough to touch them!
There's a rather tatty F104 Starfighter there, sans engine, (there's a ladder stuffed up the exhaust), which they're hoping to find an engine for to do runs up the runway, but it's a constant fight to stop the bloody thing just corroding away. The wing edges, are like knife blades, and I'm not exaggerating! They have plastic tubes pushed over the edges to stop people slicing themselves open by walking into them by accident, not far off a Stanley knife blade,
That would be a great addition to the Lightnings for a fast display run.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 12:49 am
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Don't think the Sabre had an afterburner(?)

The F-86D did. I specifically remember the commentator talking about the afterburner when it took off and did a pass.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 6:26 am
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I have to admit when I typed the bit about reheats on the Vulcan engines I had my doubts but I was doing other work-related stuff and didn't go back to double check at the time.

Easy mistake to make. The noise they make on take off and the way they can literally rattle your internal organs on a low level high power banking turn is something you normally only experience from aircraft with afterburners.

The only time i've heard or felt anything louder and more awesome was stood at the end of Heathrow airport behind a Concorde take off - same engines as the Vulcan, but with reheat. I'd imagine a B1 would be similar though.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 10:26 am
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Fast jets and tbh most planes are awesome when relatively close.

My dad was in the raf so we got spoilt somewhat with knowledge and air shows etc, but as mentioned above, Concorde in and out of Leeds/Bradford was a great spectacle. Lived there for years and had many vantage points for such occasions.

We're currently on holiday in fuerteventura and a couple of days ago a milatary jet of some description flew past low over the sea. Didn't get chance to see what it was, but it was going ridiculously quick and made a racquet for about 2 seconds 😆


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 10:43 am
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We were camping close to Weymouth a few weeks ago and there was a Red Arrow display pretty much above us with a few (fairly) low level passes. Even a small jet (Gnat?) rattles your bones and just gives a feeling of huge power. Lord knows what a really big and powerful aircraft feels like.

On a separate note, many years ago, whilst [s]near Machyll Machunll[/s] in mid/north Wales a Tornado came down the valley [i]below[/i] us. Incredible


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 2:44 pm
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Never tired of the noise of jets leaving RAF Leuchars- great sight too


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 2:47 pm
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On a separate note, many years ago, whilst near Machyll Machunll in mid/north Wales a Tornado came down the valley below us. Incredible

Had that with a Typhoon on Garburn Pass in the Lakes. Garburn is one side of a fairly steep valley, the other side is the Kirkstone Pass road. Two thirds of the way up Garburn and a Typhoon flashed past a fraction beneath us, pulled round a corner in the valley and rolled inverted to crest the valley head. It was loud.

Never tired of the noise of jets leaving RAF Leuchars- great sight too

Leuchars is the best airshow I've ever been to, superb day out. Full Vulcan display including takeoff. Dutch F15s. Russian MiG. Typhoon. Full BBMF display. Loved it.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 3:32 pm
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Even a small jet (Gnat?) rattles your bones and just gives a feeling of huge power.

BAE Hawk. Replaced the Gnat, but look very similar.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 6:58 pm
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There's a great passage about B1 bombers in Doug Beattie's book about his experience in Afghanistan.

[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ordinary-Soldier-Afghanistan-ferocious-impossible/dp/1847393993 ]https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ordinary-Soldier-Afghanistan-ferocious-impossible/dp/1847393993[/url]

He said a calling in a B1 strike makes you feel god-like because they attack from beyond visual range. Once when they found they had B1s inbound he told his JTAC what targets he wanted taken out and a few minutes later the targets he picked just started blowing up without any visual or aural cues.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 7:18 pm
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On a separate note, many years ago, whilst [s]near Machyll Machunll[/s] in mid/north Wales a Tornado came down the valley below us. Incredible

Ah yes, the Mach Loop: http://machloop.co.uk


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 8:12 pm
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Interesting bit is that the B1B is a lot slower than the original B1. The development of the Mach 2.2 B1 got canned, then later on they decided that they needed something and they made the cheaper/slower Mach 1.2 B1B instead.

The B-1B is stealthier, has a better EW suite and performs better at low altitudes than the B-1A was intended too, as the focus shifted to low altitude under the radar operations after the initial version was cancelled.

The difference in speed, radar cross section and cost was largely down to simplified air intakes for the engines. Maintaining the appropriate airflow into jet engines is one of the big challenges when it comes to designing supersonic aircraft.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 10:16 pm
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the plane was a Dassault Falcon 20, and there was another anonymous Dassault Falcon doing similar things over Norfolk.

CZ - that's a Cobham F20 (google it)

Highly modified F20 for Electronic Warfare and ASDOT training. They can do some pretty funky stuff with the underwing pods/mission equipment.

I used to be a Flight line maintenance engineer on them (still work for Cobham but on other stuff now.....)

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Posted : 02/09/2017 11:10 pm
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Mach 2.2 B1 got canned, then later on they decided that they needed something and they made the cheaper/slower Mach 1.2 B1B instead.

Thr B1B is faster than the B1A where it counts when youre not a stealth aircraft, at sea level.


 
Posted : 02/09/2017 11:16 pm
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