[Closed] Average speed cameras work. Are they even on ?

dazh - Member

To be honest I've no idea what you're arguing about any more.

That's an obvious lie but I accept you've run out of troll feed and are probably starting to get weak.

Have you an actual point to make about the rights/wrongs of speed limits and who they apply to?

I have many points to make, why are you trying to steer me towards that particular topic?
If you want to keep things on topic, then the title was
"Average speed cameras work. Are they even on?"
to which the answer is yes. Case closed you can go now.

If you'd like to enlighten us without the willy waving I'm all ears.

What willy waving? You're obviously not all ears as you have chosen to repeatedly ignore what I have actually written in your quest to troll.

My initial points were (as you're pretending to be interested) that people need to take responsibility for themselves, and not be nannyed by the state, and that prevention is better than cure.

I appreciate responsibility of self is probably not going to go down too well in a forum populated by mainly [s]communists[/s] those of a left persuasion. 🙂

I appreciate responsibility of self is probably not going to go down too well in a forum populated by mainly communists those of a left persuasion.

Spongetroll alert!!

Wow ... 13 pages !!

Normal only us religious/non-religious bores get that far

Hope you're all having fun 😀

my acceptance of speed limits makes me a communist?

okay...

(but i do read the grauniad, grow a beard, and work for a university, so i know i'm on thin ice)

The thread seems to have strayed into cross arguing and nitpicking about exactly what each others argument is.

It's blatant common sense...

sbob I don't [i]think[/i] anyone is saying IAM drivers are all mental but there does appear to be a fair few internet arguers who say they speed and attempt to justify it with their IAM credentials, I'm sure not all IAMers are like that and obviously more driver training is a good thing, just got a bit of a reputation round here.
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I appreciate responsibility of self is probably not going to go down too well in a forum populated by mainly communists those of a left persuasion.

sbob, you obviously seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you on an internet forum is a troll. Whilst I may disagree with you, I can assure you I'm no troll. You may want to look up the definition.

Another feature of internet forums is that debate often very quickly evolves to cover subjects wider than the OP (Indeed STW is notorious for it!). I think we'd all agree this has happened in this case (ignoring the pedantic sillyness).

You say you have lots of points to make about speed limits and how they should be applied. Lets have them!

back on track albeit at a tangent, what was the justification for publicising camera locations? The cameras on our local 50mph DC are a PITA frankly with the oh so predictable [i]usual cruising speed of 60-80mph, slam on for the camera, accelerate hard back to original speed and repeat for the next 2 sets[/i] from a significant proportion of road users. Wouldn't having mobile cameras in undisclosed locations be more likely to get people to drive under the limit more of the time?

be very wary of starting any post with this line dazh, even if the rest of the post is rock solid this is a bad opener.

Agreed. However in this case I truly believe it to be the case, so had no qualms in using it.

but you lose credibility with that one

My apologies, I missed out the smiley.
I was simply trying to insert some gentle humourous rib-poking in a thread that was getting quite heated.

Honest. 😀

The cameras on our local 50mph DC are a PITA frankly with the oh so predictable usual cruising speed of 60-80mph, slam on for the camera, accelerate hard back to original speed and repeat for the next 2 sets from a significant proportion of road users.

A superb example of where average speed cameras would be beneficial?

[quote=D0NK ]back on track what was the justification for publicising camera locations? The cameras on our local 50mph DC are a PITA frankly with the oh so predictable usual cruising speed of 60-80mph, slam on for the camera, accelerate hard back to original speed and repeat for the next 2 sets from a significant proportion of road users. Wouldn't having mobile cameras in undisclosed locations be more likely to get people to drive under the limit more of the time?
I depends what you think the cameras are for. If you take it that they are designed to reduce accidents [i]at those specific locations[/i] then letting everyone know where they are makes some sense as everyone will slow down, not just the observant. Of course, this goes against the pre-conceptions of those who think they are solely deigned to raise revenue.

A superb example of where average speed cameras would be beneficial?

designed to reduce accidents at those specific locations then letting everyone know where they are makes some sense as everyone will slow down, not just the observant

dazh - Member

The cameras on our local 50mph DC are a PITA frankly with the oh so predictable usual cruising speed of 60-80mph, slam on for the camera, accelerate hard back to original speed and repeat for the next 2 sets from a significant proportion of road users.

A superb example of where average speed cameras would be beneficial?

Or perhaps a superb example of where drivers quite happily and safely do 60-80mph day after day without incident yet the local safety camera partnership felt the need to top up the coffers in the misguided name of 'speed kills'? Shame so many clueless people buy in to this.

in an attempt to push things forward positively...

lots of modern cars are fitted with GPS devices.

i'm guessing it's not beyond the limits of our technology to track/save data.

how long before insurance companies/the feds are using this information in crash/death cases

or has it already happened?

[quote=D0NK ]scotroutes I see the point about accident black spots, fair enough, but if it's widely publicised that unmarked mobile cameras are used (i don't think anyone in the UK hasn't heard of speed limits and cameras) and they are used on roads with well signed limits what's the problem?
The problem is that folk know the likelihood of them getting caught for speeding is almost infinitesimal and so they'll sail through those blackspots without a second thought.

speed cameras are a tax on stupidity and as such ace. I do love the i'm an advanced driver so the law does not apply to me line of argument surely an advanced driving course would teach you how to read the speedo on a car dash board ?

[quote=ahwiles ]in an attempt to push things forward positively...
lots of modern cars are fitted with GPS devices.
i'm guessing it's not beyond the limits of our technology to track/save data.
how long before insurance companies/the feds are using this information in crash/death cases
or has it already happened?
Some insurance companies will give a discount for vehicles with those fitted. I guess it's enough of a consideration that folk drive slower when they know they are being tracked. I imagine that the fine print includes some wording to indicate that the data will be used in the event of any accident.

FWIW, I'd make GPS logging and front/rear cameras compulsory on all vehicles. It's a shame we've never had a government that had the drive to make a serious impact on the 2,000 road deaths / 20,000+ serious injuries every year.

or has it already happened?

If I recall correctly the last time doing anything like this was suggested all the motorists were up in arms about their human rights and freedom of movement*, and big brother etc.

*Of course what they really meant was their freedom to break the speed limit.

I do love the i'm an advanced driver so the law does not apply to me line of argument

I've not said this. I've said that as I frequently drive above the speed limit, I though that some extra training (including IAM) would be beneficial and make me much safer doing this. A big difference and I do appreciate that this is technically outside of the law.

Or perhaps a superb example of where drivers quite happily and safely do 60-80mph day after day without incident yet the local safety camera partnership felt the need to top up the coffers in the misguided name of 'speed kills'? Shame so many clueless people buy in to this.

You're right. Just like climate change, it's a left-wing conspiracy to make the world a better place 🙂

Or perhaps a superb example of...blah blah blah

Delighted council officials have revealed that after two years accidents have reduced by 60pc and injuries have fallen by 66pc.[/url] A666 had pretty bad safety record beforehand AFAIK - dunno wasn't driving myself then so didn't take much note

[quote=rebel12 ] I've said that as I frequently drive above the speed limit, I though that some extra training (including IAM) would be beneficial and make me much safer doing this.
This is true. I've had advanced training and was surprised at how much quicker I was able to make safe progress.

in the misguided name of 'speed kills'? Shame so many clueless people buy in to this.

Can you show where this slogan has been used in this country in recent years?

Average speed cameras across all the road network I say, and unmarked speed traps. They have unmarked traps in western Australia and the driving there is much better than here.

A9 needs average speed cameras all the way anyway, its a racetrack/deathtrack.

dazh - Member

sbob, you obviously seem to think that anyone who disagrees with you on an internet forum is a troll.

No, I think you're a troll for the reasons I listed earlier, pretending I said things I didn't, et cetera.
Page 13, just under halfway down. It's black and white.

Another feature of internet forums is that debate often very quickly evolves to cover subjects wider than the OP (Indeed STW is notorious for it!). I think we'd all agree this has happened in this case (ignoring the pedantic sillyness).

Yet you try and dictate what subject we actually discuss? 😕

You say you have lots of points to make about speed limits and how they should be applied. Lets have them!

You've done it again! Not only steering the topic of conversation but suggesting I've said something I haven't.

Why would you do that if you weren't trolling?
I hardly think you're dim enough to not realise you're doing it.

I do appreciate that this is technically outside of the law.

Well, there's no "technically" about it, it is.

Can you show where this slogan has been used in this country in recent years?

Given how everybody recognises it so much that it keeps getting brought out on threads like this without most people objecting, I reckon whether or not it's been used actively in recent years is irrelevant - the damage has been done.

dazh - Member

A superb example of where [s]average[/s] no speed cameras would be beneficial?

Unfortunately this also works.

Given how everybody recognises it so much that it keeps getting brought out on threads like this without most people objecting, I reckon whether or not it's been used actively in recent years is irrelevant - the damage has been done.

You can "reckon" all you want. The folk I have read using it are the ones who are anxious to prefix it with "inappropriate".

crankboy - Member
surely an advanced driving course would teach you how to read the speedo on a car dash board?

So I take it you are another that hasn't bothered with further education for the road?

sbob, you're right, you've got me bang to rights. I am the arbiter of what is discussed on this thread and have been secretly manipulating the debate with my subtle but effective trolling wizardry. In fact I'm so damn good at it I don't even realise I'm doing it. 🙄

dazh - Member

sbob, you're right, you've got me bang to rights. I am the arbiter of what is discussed on this thread and have been secretly manipulating the debate with my subtle but effective trolling wizardry. In fact I'm so damn good at it I don't even realise I'm doing it.

Several times I have pointed out that you have claimed I've said something I haven't.
Either prove me wrong or jog on you foolish troll.

dazh - Member
A superb example of where [s]average[/s] no speed cameras would be beneficial?

Unfortunately this also works.

Before I respond to this can I clarify which bit of the debate it refers to so I don't get accused of trolling again. Is it:

A. Whether average speed cameras are turned on or not?
B. The purpose of driving a car?
C. Why we have speed limits?
D. Who speed limits should apply to?
E: Whether I am a troll or not?

deadlydarcy - Member

Can you show where this slogan has been used in this country in recent years?

The message is there with the proliferation of speed cameras all over the country.

"So I take it you are another that hasn't bothered with further education for the road ?"

School of life mate. 30 years driving 25 years dealing with speeding drivers, dangerous drivers, and careless drivers . Speed is not often in and of itself dangerous but it magnifies other errors minimises opertunities to respond and maximises damage.

The roads are used by a wide variaty of drivers who drive with a differing skill set .It is remarkably poor driving to assume that because you have some skill this will enable you to anticipate all eventualities and respond in time to any event and it is therefor ok to exceed the speed limit.

The message is there with the proliferation of speed cameras all over the country.

So it's a subliminal message? I'd have thought hiring some billboards would have been a much cheaper and effective method of delivering a slogan than installing thousands of expensive radar activated cameras with number plate recognition technology.

Adding more regulations simply frustrates those people who feel perfectly safe doing what they are already doing.

OMFG what a pile of steaming rubbish!

If you get frustrated, that's your problem! You need to grow up and deal with it, not take the law into your own hands! WTF do you think this is, the wild west?

crankboy

Couldn't you have mustered that somethingion about 13 and a half pages ago and saved a lot of bother?

+1 for everything he said

The roads are used by a wide variaty of drivers who drive with a differing skill set .It is remarkably poor driving to assume that because you have some skill this will enable you to anticipate all eventualities and respond in time to any event and it is therefor ok to exceed the speed limit.

Err not really - that's exactly what advanced driving and advance observation teaches you. There really shouldn't be many surprises if you observe and plan properly. Don't get that from 'school of life' I'm afraid.

My fast road instructor offered a running commentary on all hazards, seen and as yet unseen whilst traveling at between 60-90 on a NSL single carrigeway. He was even able to pick up small details in the road surface and what they and verges at that speed. I felt far safer travelling at that sort of speed with him than many other drivers I've had the misfortune of traveling with at well below the speed limit.

I felt far safer travelling at that sort of speed with him than many other drivers I've had the misfortune of traveling with at well below the speed limit.

And if you'd driven with him at 60mph instead of 90mph.. you'd have been safer still!

The message is there with the proliferation of speed cameras all over the country.

Where?

Or is it that it's a handy slogan for anybody who wants to add "inappropriate" at the front?

rebel12 - Member
My fast road instructor offered a running commentary on all hazards, seen and as yet unseen whilst traveling at between 60-90 on a NSL single carrigeway. He was even able to pick up small details in the road surface and what they and verges at that speed. I felt far safer travelling at that sort of speed with him than many other drivers I've had the misfortune of traveling with at well below the speed limit.

What small details was he able to pick up on at 40 metres per second?

"My fast road instructor" I am surprised that any one qualified to drive for the police or other 999 services would condone speeding .