[Closed] Audiophiles - listening recomendations

You should have a look at the forum

Once made the mistake of that. Never, ever again.

Is the (in)famous Mick Parry still posting there (and on PFM, a rather more sensible place, but somewhere i haven't been for a while)?

It's definitely worth upgrading from standard ipod buds and such like, although the sky is the limit with headphones and associated rigs. I'm geeky enough to have organized a UK headphone show/meet last year & have some quite nice stuff which is on a "you could buy a car for that" sort of level, with which I think many on this forum can associate :-). IEMs (the very best ones) are now at a level where they can compete with many of the best full size headphones out there, and have the benefit of being easy to drive and portable. All comes down to budget of course.

Music-wise, I do tend to focus on stuff that's good on headphones. Gotta put kids to bed now, will have a think about some good ones & post later 🙂

pedalhead - cheers for that.

I am, being a recovering hifi geek, only too aware of just how expensive decent 'phones can be.

I haven't heard Peter Gabriel's "Us", but I DO have a copy of "Up".

The bass extension is really impressive, even more so because the production allows the rest of the instrumentation to still shine through...

I couldn't but hear this in my head in this voice:

In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

will have a think about some good ones and post later

I'd be interested in good ones for iPod/iPhone use.

I've just got an iPhone and the standard ones with the built in mic/remote are awful. I'm using by Sennheiser in-ear ones but would like to get a better pair with a remote/mic.

These [url= http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00264GYMG/ ]Klipsch[/url] ones look good. But £90 is a lot to spend without knowing what they are like.

Are Etymotic still highly thought of?

Karl Dent conducting the Robert Shaw Festival singers Telarc recording, it's lush in a Russian god-bothering stylee

Not sure it strictly OT (but they do sound great on headphones to me...):

Bill Callahan - Too Many Birds
Gillian Welch - Annabelle
Pavement - We Dance (Alternate Mix)
Jason Molina - Spectral Alphabet
Bonnie Prince Billy & Tortoise - Calvary Cross
Cat Power - Willie
Chris Wood - England in Ribbons
Doc & Merle Watson - Frankie & Johnny
Velvet Underground - Sister Ray (no really!)

delusional - Member

I haven't heard Peter Gabriel's "Us", but I DO have a copy of "Up".

The bass extension is really impressive, even more so because the production allows the rest of the instrumentation to still shine through...

I couldn't but hear this in my head in this voice:

In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

I just want to fit in.... 😈

can't be arsed to read all that ^ but I have a dispute about one of Mr Woppit's comments (not for the first time when discussing music, IIRC):

[i]... also presenting it in a musical way with proper pitch, pace, rhythm and timing.[/i]

Sorry MrW but, speaking as a musician (ok then, a drummer*), unless the [i]musicians[/i] can do that, no amount of money spent on "reference hifi" can sort that out.

*no, enough of the drummer jokes. I'm serious.

[i]Most[/i] human drummers will vary slightly through any individual piece. Your "average" music fan won't notice unless it's seriously bad. Some drummers [i]can[/i] keep perfect time - the late Robert Heaton is an example that springs readily to mind.

Being [i]too[/i] perfect sometimes takes the soul out of a piece - you may as well have a well programmed drum machine or sequencer instead

If a drummer is bad enough at keeping metronomic time that it's noticeable to Jo(e) Public, then he/she will probably work to a click track when recording, in order to eliminate this issue as much as possible. But a hifi system, no matter how good, or bad (unless the wow/flutter are perfectly synchronised to the drummer) can correct this.

nickc - cheers

Ah well, this list could be ten times as long but I had to stop somewhere :-). These are some of the albums I really enjoy on headphones...some just for their intimacy, some for the mixing and/or mastering quality...

Female vocals...
Rachel Unthank and the Winterset - Cruel Sister
Imogen Heap - Ellipse
Laurie Anderson - Life on a String
Patti Smith - Horses (Legacy Edition)
Diana Krall - The Girl In The Other Room
Fiona Apple - Extraordinary Machine

Jazz...
Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio - Midnight Sugar
Toshinori Kondo - Nerve Tripper
Hiromi - Brain
Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters
Miles Davis - Bitches Brew

Rock/pop etc...
Pretenders - Pretenders (Audio Fidelity 24kt remaster)
King Crimson - Red (2009 Steven Wilson remaster)
Diablo Swing Orchestra - Sing-Along Songs For The Damned & Delirious
Dire Straits - Love Over Gold (2000 Remastered)
Gomez - Bring It On
Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath
Neutral Milk Hotel - In The Aeroplane Over The Sea
Opeth - Watershed
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
OSI - Office Of Strategic Influence
Radiohead - In Rainbows
Sufjan Stevens - Illinoise
Mogwai - Young Team

Electronic
Boards of Canada - Music Has The Right To Children
Explosions In The Sky - The Earth Is Not a Cold Dead Place
Daft Punk - Discovery
Air - Pocket Symphony
Massive Attack - Mezzanine
Estradasphere - Palace Of Mirrors

Mogwai - Young Team

Electronic? Don't remember much of that upstairs at the Riverside Club, Newcastle back in '98....

😉

ha yes oops, I chucked that one in at the last minute. Edited to reflect the fact they're more of an experimental rock outfit 🙂

Gomez - Bring It On

Great album.

A band you'd think would be great live but sadly aren't (or at least when I saw them).

Vince Clarke and Martyn Ware - Spectrum Pursuit Vehicle - written and recorded in '3D' (not surround) for the Music Museum that went bust in Sheffield - you have to listen to in using cans

john-drummer. firstly.. how do you tell that a drummers stool is level?
he dribbles out both sides of his mouth.

I think what mr woppit meant with his timing and rythm comments is that the hi-fi equipment can reproduce the original recording with the same rythm etc that was recorded.. at least that is how an audiophile friend of mine would put it...

he works in the industry as a reveiwer for a well respected specialist hi-fi magazine and would have lots of recommendations here... including serial numbers so that you listen to the correct recording.

he would also choke if he had to listen to Naim equipment..

Mr Woppit - Member

delusional - Member

I haven't heard Peter Gabriel's "Us", but I DO have a copy of "Up".

The bass extension is really impressive, even more so because the production allows the rest of the instrumentation to still shine through...

I couldn't but hear this in my head in this voice:

In '87, Huey released this, Fore, their most accomplished album. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip to be Square", a song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the band itself.

I just want to fit in....

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums

I don't think most of these replies are actually from audiophiles, which is what the question asked for so can be discounted from the off.

Nor the original poster, if truth be known as he's listening through headphones. This is not something an audiophile would consider.

If you really wanted some recommendations, you need to be listening to the music, be it a CD or preferably on vinyl through stereo speakers. On valve equipment if you really want to let the music breathe, but hat's just me! There are other web forums who specialise in this type of thing. Once you have heard music through a "reference" system you'll be amazed!

It would be useful to know more about the post's author and what he's playing his music through.

You will never achieve audiophile nirvana with compressed music such as played on your iPods, MP3's and the like - sorry - these are abominations (in answering this thread) and do not even come close to audiophile status, regardless how much you might think it's wonderful music you're hearing. I'm not knocking the compressed nature of modern systems, but the original post talks about that rarified atmosphere surrounding what he terms audiophile, so that's what we should be concentrating upon not recommending listening to compressed muscic on the computer or through headphones or buds! His post asks about music at a completely different level, not just what sounds good through non-andiophile kit.

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Grammophon ]Deutsche_Grammophon[/url] produced some landmark recordings.
[url= http://www.play.com/Music/MusicDVD/4-/836207/Pink-Floyd-Pulse/Product.html ]PULSE[/url] What's interesting about this recording is that they had the insight to use a resurrected mobile valve recording studio.
Try some of these? [url= http://www.martinlogan.com/products/summitx ]Martin Logan[/url]
[url= http://www.definitiveaudio.co.uk/ ]You did ask![/url]

I don't think most of these replies are actually from audiophiles, which is what the question asked for so can be discounted from the off.

Nor the original poster, if truth be known as he's listening through headphones. This is not something an audiophile would consider.

If you really wanted some recommendations, you need to be listening to the music, be it a CD or preferably on vinyl through stereo speakers. On valve equipment if you really want to let the music breathe, but hat's just me! There are other web forums who specialise in this type of thing. Once you have heard music through a "reference" system you'll be amazed!

It would be useful to know more about the post's author and what he's playing his music through.

You will never achieve audiophile nirvana with compressed music such as played on your iPods, MP3's and the like - sorry - these are abominations (in answering this thread) and do not even come close to audiophile status, regardless how much you might think it's wonderful music you're hearing. I'm not knocking the compressed nature of modern systems, but the original post talks about that rarified atmosphere surrounding what he terms audiophile, so that's what we should be concentrating upon not recommending listening to compressed muscic on the computer or through headphones or buds! His post asks about music at a completely different level, not just what sounds good through non-andiophile kit.

Deutsche_Grammophon produced some landmark recordings.
PULSE What's interesting about this recording is that they had the insight to use a resurrected mobile valve recording studio.
Try some of these? Martin Logan
You did ask!

Hmm, vinyl, valves, martin logan. Subscribe to many "hifi" mags? What makes you think the OP is listening to compressed music? Valves...put that mag down & go & listen to a balanced b22 solid state headphone amplifier. I have four valve amps/pre-amps, and a load of solid states, and have listened to many many more. Which you prefer is down to..yes...preference, not some "audiophile" elitist nonsense/ignorance, of which your post reeks I'm afraid. Same goes for digital v analogue. get the right DAC and you can inject a hint of "analogue" if that's your preference, whilst still retaining the speed & detail of a good digital setup, although having said that many people prefer a digital source anyway (myself included). Oh, and in case you're thinking about "imaging" about now, try googling "crossfeed". The OP was asking for suggestions of music that "wow"'d them over headphones, and you don't need to spend thousands on a headphone setup (or indeed a speaker setup...put those MLs away) to enjoy the benefits of a good versus a bad recording, or in this case something that might sound particularly good via headphones, such as an intimate female vocal.

Depeche Mode - Personal Jesus (12" pump mix)
Johnny Cash - Personal Jesus (compare and contrast with the above)
Barber's adagio - any number of decent recordings
Robert Plant - Dreamland

Most human drummers will vary slightly through any individual piece.

I know I used to..... wildly. 😳

I think what mr woppit meant with his timing and rythm comments is that the hi-fi equipment can reproduce the original recording with the same rythm etc that was recorded.

Yup.

My favourite Phil Collins is on "Product" by "Brand X", where he was still doing what he does best before he decided to become an A.O.R star - drumming.

Now excuse me, I have to go and feed my cat to the money dispenser.

My system is CD3/NAC72/HiCap/NAP140 with KEF reference 104/2 speakers. A fairly modest system for Naim that I've had for 12 years I think but enough for me as have other things to spend money on.

As for Ti29er's response above - I picked out recordings I have that are both mainstream and well recorded. I also have stuff from Linn and Naim's labels which are stronger on the audiophile side but of no interest to most.

presenting it in a musical way with proper pitch, pace, rhythm and timing.

this statement really is utter, utter nonsense.

I don't doubt for a minute that a nice hifi will sound very, very good - and do the best job possible of reproducing whatever has been recorded to vinyl or CD. I have no doubt that you stand a better chance of hearing detail on certain instruments that will be lost when listening on a transistor radio

but the pitch of a note is the pitch of the note, the rhythmn is the rhythmn and no expensive speakers are going to change that

Pedalhead has made tHe classic error (as expected) in discussing only his take on his equipment, and everything and everyone else is rubbish.
THINK!
Read the question.
Read the question.
Read the question.

Audiophiles - listening recomendations

He wants some recommendations of audiophile quality music.

What you play it through makes a huge difference, like PH, you can have all the kit in the world but if you don't tailor it to your listening room and tastes you'll not get the most from your kit. No point in having all the kit, some of the knowledge and then buying speaker wire from B&Q.

Pehaps PH should read more and then he'll better understand what the original post was looking for.

Personally my reference CD's are:
White on Blonde - Texas.
Pulse - Floyd.
A Crowded House CD
Doves - the Last Broadcast (love this album!)
Dvarak - Cellokonzert (DG)
Unna Mattina - Ludovico Einaudi (piano is the most difficult instrument to replicate with HiFi)
MTV Acoustic unplugged live CD's - I think there are two.

This then gives me a reasonably cross section of music I like and want to listen to.
That, I belive, answers, in part, the question, albeit indirectly.
These also help me test new or replacement kit when I'm thinking of upgrading (but only if What HiFi tell me to).

Robert Plant and Alison Crauss is very good.

I have an original master recording of Jethro Tull's Broadsword and the Beast on translucent virgin vinyl - does that make me an audiophile?

@grievoustim no more than the stuff that gets spouted about bikes, wine, food etc.. Some systems float some people's boats others don't, and some people are prepared to pay a lot to have their boats floated/

presenting it in a musical way with proper pitch, pace, rhythm and timing.

this statement really is utter, utter nonsense.

I don't doubt for a minute that a nice hifi will sound very, very good - and do the best job possible of reproducing whatever has been recorded to vinyl or CD. I have no doubt that you stand a better chance of hearing detail on certain instruments that will be lost when listening on a transistor radio

but the pitch of a note is the pitch of the note, the rhythmn is the rhythmn and no expensive speakers are going to change that

Whilst I agree with much of what you're saying, and there is a lot of airy fairy bollocks written about hifi, I do think a good loudspeaker can carry a rhythm better than a bad one...crucially, via better control of cone movement. This will be particularly evident in lower frequencies, where a really good low frequency driver will be tight, deep & fast (steady there!), and a bad one will be flabby, unable to recover from one note before another note arrives. In fact, kind of like the difference between a crappy/badly set up suspension fork and a good one...oooh see what I did there? 🙂

But at the end of the day, the hills i.e. the rhythm, are still coming at the same rate, it's just the journey between them that's a bit rougher 🙂

He wants some recommendations of audiophile quality music.

I'm guessing you missed the bit where I recommended 30 albums.

I actually think he used the word "audiophile" mistakenly. Be nice to hear from him!

[i]proper pitch, pace, rhythm and timing[/i]
WTF is that?
[i]hi-fi equipment can reproduce the original recording with the same rythm etc that was recorded[/i]
How the hell would you know?

Anyway, don't answer, cos this thread has made me cringe enough already.

I've listened to a variety of systems and even those that are in the thousands can vary quite a lot in the sound they produce. Naim does sound more exciting to me and I think that's what some say is down to timing. I have no idea about that but the sound I get gets me a bit closer to a live performance in terms of excitement but other systems will be better in getting a more realistic sound but I'm not so bothered about that.

[i]Naim does sound more exciting to me[/i]

I've no idea what this means. Various different music makes me excited or sad or emontional, mostly it has to be said when I'm standing in a sweaty cave of a club listening to it with 3 or 4 hundred other like minded folk, but I've never thought to myself "ooooh this HiFi is exciting...."

proper pitch, pace, rhythm and timing
WTF is that?

The essential building blocks of music.

hi-fi equipment can reproduce the original recording with the same rythm etc that was recorded
How the hell would you know?

By comparing it to other systems that deliver it less well.

Hope that helps.

but how do you know they are doing it less well? were you in the control room of abbey road when dark side of the moon was recorded?

I thought the whole hi-fi snobbery thing was a load of w*nk too until I found myself being subjected to some comparison tests..

now I unfortunately (very unfortunately when you condsider my disposable income) can and do get excited by good quality sound reproduction and find it very unpleasant to listen to poor sound quality.

taking strong mind altering drugs is a much cheaper way to improved sound quality and music appreciation according to some people..

I know that one system is "doing it" less well than another because I can hear it.

That may to some degree be subjective, however - that's probably why there is more than one approach to building HiFi systems.

Different strokes and all that...

DezB - Member

I actually think he used the word "audiophile" mistakenly. Be nice to hear from him!

Your right I did, it was my mistake in respect of the can of worms it was going to open. I didn't comment on the set-up I’m using as again it would probably generate disapproval from some in respect of wether I’d not spent enough, too much, wrong brand etc etc.....

All I wanted to know is what music has blown you away when listened though 'expensive' headphones, and yes they probably cost more than most people would spend, but I like music and I just wanted others experiences.

I am using them with a CD source. Headphone amp, one is a SS and one a valve. I’m not going into detail for the reasons stated above - it's just about the music ok (but played on very good kit)

Thanks thou 😀

On valve equipment if you really want to let the music breathe, but hat's just me! There are other web forums who specialise in this type of thing. Once you have heard music through a "reference" system you'll be amazed!

never heard this term before, does it have a numerically defined meaning (e.g. guaranteed max THD, freq response,noise floor etc) or is it just audiofool bollocks?

As a footnote, it’s worth remembering that some of what you might well own will be the right music in your system and room. I had some £150 Beyer headphones (I know, cheap sh"te, but I thought it'd be worth a try) but they don't come close to a system based on good speakers IMHO.

For example: I have an INXS album – I forget which one – where in one of my hifi systems Michael Hutchins voice is so incredibly it’s the only time I get the hairs on my neck standing to attention. I’d even go as so far as to describe his voice as “sexy”, and no, I don’t bat for the opposition!

That Pulse album is simply astonishing when played through electrostatic speakers.
That Una Mattina album is heaven-sent played through another system based on the Living Voice speakers.

So if you search out pure audiophile recordings from the likes of Naim, Decca and DG, you might actually find yourself not enjoying the music quite as much as you’d hoped, so I’d just tinker with the kit, buy your CD’s and tinker around the edges with the set-up (stands, speaker positioning, mains filtration etc) and you’ll find that old music you own comes to life in ways you’d not have thought possible, but just don’t break the bank in the process or get too hung up on pure audiophile recordings as there are some nuggets of gold in what you already own!

(hope your collection is not all "Now That's What I call Music" or "Their Greatest Hits all on one CD") 😉

shoefiti - As I said, if you like electronic stuff, you should have a look at the Soapsud City label, Justin and "dlay" in particular. My favourite stuff is "deep house", apparently (not being up to date on what all the sub-genres are without guidance!). 😀

On valve equipment if you really want to let the music breathe, but hat's just me! There are other web forums who specialise in this type of thing. Once you have heard music through a "reference" system you'll be amazed!

never heard this term before, does it have a numerically defined meaning (e.g. guaranteed max THD, freq response,noise floor etc) or is it just audiofool bollocks?

If I may, I'd suggest the "breath" bit is audiofool bollocks of the highest order, and sadly that kind of description is used far too much in the hifi world imho. I'll apologise in advance for this next bit though...

valve/tube amps do indeed tend to have a different house sound to solid state amps, to varying degrees depending on the specific design. Distortion is evident in any amplifier design, but valves produce what's called "even-order" harmonic distortion, even large amounts of which are generally less nasty (and even pleasant to some ears) than small amounts of "odd-order" harmonic distortion as produced by solid state circuits. Here's an example...a lot of guitar amps are still tube-based, and many are actually designed to easily push into overload distortion, which is what creates their specific house sound.

There are also other differences between tubes & ss, like higher voltage swing (can aid dynamics), but like anything there are good and bad examples of both.

Sorry, way off topic here, and these "audiophile" threads never end well 🙂

If I may, I'd suggest the "breath" bit is audiofool bollocks of the highest order, and sadly that kind of description is used far too much in the hifi world imho. I'll apologise in advance for this next bit though...

valve/tube amps do indeed tend to have a different house sound to solid state amps, to varying degrees depending on the specific design. Distortion is evident in any amplifier design, but valves produce what's called "even-order" harmonic distortion, even large amounts of which are generally less nasty (and even pleasant to some ears) than small amounts of "odd-order" harmonic distortion as produced by solid state circuits. Here's an example...a lot of guitar amps are still tube-based, and many are actually designed to easily push into overload distortion, which is what creates their specific house sound.

There are also other differences between tubes & ss, like higher voltage swing (can aid dynamics), but like anything there are good and bad examples of both.

yes, indeed I agree - I actually meant the term 'reference' though 🙂

mains filtration

lolque

yes, indeed I agree - I actually meant the term 'reference' though

Oh lol 🙂

Reference is a genuine term often misapplied.

It refers to equipment that is QC'd against a known reference parameter before being used. LS3/5A monitors are a good example every unit was produced to a known reference standard so that pairs could be mixed and matched without issue by outside engineers in the field.

These days reference usually means stupidly over priced and has practically lost all meaning.

As for Audiofool recordings - Anyone who has their choice of music defined by the equipment they listen to it on is missing the point.

I listen to vinyl mostly and there is a growing market for Audiofool recordings that cost 40 quid and mostly sound worse than the original pressings.

Like all things focussed on a male target market of guys between 25-50 it's mostly bollocks and a good way of getting a fool and his money parted as quickly as possible, a bit like MTB kit..

I'm one of the fools having spent car money on a hifi, I justify it to myself by having spent expensive car money on music over the years..

[i]Your right I did, it was my mistake in respect of the can of worms it was going to open.[/i]

I've quite enjoyed it really 🙂 It's amusing that some people listen to shite music on their super-expensive hi-fi system and kid themselves it's good, just because it [i]sounds proper[/i].

nickc - Member
Naim does sound more exciting to me

I've no idea what this means.

Oh come on - you don't think that a live rock band turned up to 11 doesn't do things to you in a way that a cheap midi system from the 80s can't manage whilst playing the same song? Getting as close to the feeling of the live performance as possible is what interests me more than the exact sound that was recorded - though that's important too. I have 4 music systems in my house from quite cheap to whatever my Naim/Kef kit is worth. Huge difference - even between the quite nice mini system in the study and the cheaper ones.

Oh yeah you asked about Zappa - try Hot Rats as a starting point or maybe Best Band you never heard in your live, Make a Jazz Noise Here and You can't do that on stage anymore 4. I've got about 60 of his albums....