[Closed] audio experts - large budget for interconnects

To be honest, they're only good in the 2m length. Anthing less is just messing about.

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😯 and 😯 too - that is serious kit at an even more serious price 😯

😯 indeeed..

I was thinking of getting one for my nans ipod too

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that cable isn't even that expensive in the grand scheme of things (ie there are plenty out there that cost more), but congratulations on finding the most expensive cable in that shop.

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Meh I'd recommend these instead http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20VALHALLA%20interconnect.htm

Anything less is just playing at it. You get a four day burn in for free which means the cables are used when you get them and all the metal crystals are aligned and bonded or something.

but congratulations on finding the most expensive cable in that shop.

thanks.. that really means a lot, I couldn't have done it without the help of my friends, my agent - Alan, everybody I ride with, everybody that I've worked with over the years, my precious family of course, mum, dad, my partner and of course my wonderful son, who inspired this whole crazy thing.. and I mustn't forget you, the audience, who made it all possible..

Meh I'd recommend these instead http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20VALHALLA%20interconnect.htm

Anything less is just playing at it. You get a four day burn in for free which means the cables are used when you get them and all the metal crystals are aligned and bonded or something.

nah stop messing around and get some odins

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20interconnect.htm

then you can get some matching power cables

http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Power%20Cords.htm

[b]for 20 grand[/b]

The fact that my system is mostly NAIM, takes me out of this "silly money" cable argument, I'm afraid, Mr Troll.

You'll need to make sure they're the right way round, though...

that nordorst stuff - holy mother of moses..

I use Van den Huls budget stuff mostly.. cos most of what I wrote is true..

although I may have slightly made up the bit about needing to upgrade, I've listened to some pretty fancy cabling back to back on a (warm and luxurious, none of this naim tosh) reference system and it really does make a difference..

not as much difference as an eigth of skunk, a line of MDMA and a couple of bottles of good red though..

For that sort of money, I'd expect the owner of the company to come round and personally carry the data bits from source to amp.

Extreme cable poncing about suggests either poor design and a lack of impedance matching between input and output stages or psychological placebo effects. Interesting to note the vast disparity between the lack of scientific papers on interconnects and the excess of marketing material on them...

For that sort of money, I'd expect the owner of the company to come round and personally carry the data bits from source to amp

for that sort of money I'd hope the owner of the company would understand the difference between digital and analogue 😉

warm and luxurious

Hmmm. I wonder what that means. (Just waiting for Fred to rock up so the thread can really build up a good head of steam...)

and I'm off out for a days riding in 10 minutes.. I'm going to miss all the fun..

Don't get sucked in Woppit.. you're better than that

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warm and luxurious, none of this naim tosh

So Naim's cold and, er budget?

for that sort of money I'd hope the owner of the company would understand the difference between digital and analogue

Yeah, but they do digital as well - I mean you wouldn't want your sound quality ruined by some of your bits getting lost.

there are some issues with digital cables actually, and it is mostly in the plugs.

for digital you should look at apogee wide eye cables:

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/cables.php

mudshark - Member

warm and luxurious, none of this naim tosh

So Naim's cold and, er budget?

I don't know what "warm and luxurious" is supposed to mean.

I don't know what you mean by "cold".

Their cables are certainly "budget" compared with this overpriced attempt to make silk purses out of sow's ears.

"Nordost" - feh.

To be honest, a £100 interconnect would 'sound' no different to one for crazy money like you have shown.
To spend that kind of money, you must have a yacht in Monaco lapping the waves and anyone who can justify that sort of money on a poxy cable needs help.
The most expensive interconnect I have is about £75 and although everyone has different abilities in hearing, the only real differnce you would hear from anything above that is probably not audible to the human ear.
I am sure there is some Trollage attached to this thread.

I don't know what "warm and luxurious" is supposed to mean.

I don't know what you mean by "cold".

Neither do I. I did hear a valve amp that felt warm though....

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thing is, if you spend £10,000 on a cable (or whatever), and you think it makes a difference, isn't that money well spent (regardless of if the difference exists)? same could be argued about ti vs aluminium frames..

same could be argued about ti vs aluminium frames..

Perhaps arguing the toss over a £400 alu frame and a £20k ti frame...

Don't get sucked in Woppit.. you're better than that

As it transpires he's not.

Just waiting for Fred to rock up so the thread can really build up a good head of steam...

Coo-ee!

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For that sort of money, I'd expect the owner of the company to come round and personally carry the data bits from source to amp.

In a little bayg? 😆

Course the irony is that it's generally only children and young adults who actually can hear any difference at all between cables beyond thin wire, as our hearing deteriorates with age. Women tend to possess better hearing than men. Yet 'Hi-fi' is bought mainly by middle aged men...

although I may have slightly made up the bit about needing to upgrade, I've listened to some pretty fancy cabling back to back on a (warm and luxurious, none of this naim tosh) reference system and it really does make a difference..

Double blind test obviously....

Seriously though, WTF is 'holographic imaging' in this context?

Platinum Eclipse is the cable for perfectionists with elite reference standard audio systems. Supremely transparent, with breathtaking dynamics and[b] holographic imaging[/b]

Also, whatever you might think about the audio cables, these claims about the [i]power[/i] cables are extraordinary.

Let Odin feed your system and get ready for improved noise floor and resolution, increased transparency, dynamic range and freedom from grain, more believable sound staging, more natural life and musical dynamics, a breathtaking range of tonal colours. Suddenly the music will step away from the system producing it, taking on a life of its own, becoming a real performance – all because the power on which your system depends is cleaner and arriving quicker.

From a power cable!????

Just make sure you plug them in the right way round 😉

Women tend to possess better hearing than men.

Men can hear just as well as women, we just choose not to. (-:

Eh? Pardon?

Do those power cables have a little hologram sticker on them?

Cougar - Member

Women tend to possess better hearing than men.

Men can hear just as well as women, we just choose not to. (-:

Excellent strategy when dealing with Fred's posts... 😉

Beat me too it brassneck, I was just about to post about the "holographic imaging" and ponder if they use powerband technology.

i actually googled a group test of power cables, and it turned out some of the manufacturers (in the 'cheap' $500 range) didn't even have the right pins in the plug going to the right pins on the connector at the other end!

Men can hear just as well as women, we just choose not to. (-:

agree - if auditioning something I will make the wife accompany me and make comment as she has no preconceived ideas about which piece of gear is going to sound better and tends to listen to 'the big picture' whereas a guy might get transfixed on the bass, or treble and not notice that a change actually makes the system sound less realistic.

I had some spendor SP1s which were a little too big for the room and sounded a little sluggish because of it, and the wife didn't like their looks either.

then one day, after having listened to them for a while, the wife asked me if they would sound any better if we rearranged the room, as she found the realism of the reproduction compelling.

I then had some Harbeth M30s which were a little smaller and which I preferred (the BBC still use them as monitors in places), but they didn't find that same favour with the wife .

I don't know what "warm and luxurious" is supposed to mean.

I don't know what you mean by "cold".

that's just inexperience talking - have you never played around with a multiband equaliser and noticed what difference you can make to the sound ? A little bit more bass and the system sounds much warmer.

luxurious is pretty much a factor of the quality of the midrange - people lust after the older (15ohm) version of the LS3/5a because they sound luxurious, not realising that the drivers in these units are prone to drifting their response and forming 1db or more of a peak at around 1khz. The older LS3/5as have drifted more and so sound even smoother and 'luxurious' - and the glue around the dust caps of those older speakers turns white with age, so they get even more money - check out the completed auctions of ebay recently...

The 60th anniversary version of the rogers ls3/5a engineered this peak into the crossover to mimic the sound of the 'out-of-spec' old speakers.

unless your speakers are worth 10k plus it's a waste of time...i am a cable believer but not a mug... the differences made are marginal at best.. save up for even better speakers..

save up for even better speakers..

why not save up for a better amplifier?

why a 10k budget - there are some pretty fantastic, monitor class, speakers for way less than this - Harbeth SHL5, Spendor SP1/2.

thing is, if you spend £10,000 on a cable (or whatever), and you think it makes a difference, isn't that money well spent (regardless of if the difference exists)? same could be argued about ti vs aluminium frames.

Well it's definitely money spent, whether it's well spent is a different matter. Were one's imagination let loose on the possible ways of getting rid of 10K, I'm sure some more joyous pleasures could be found in both cases.

I'd say even an uber hifi doesn't need expensive cables mine certainly didn't improve when I was asked to try some out. But then I'm cynical so wasn't expecting an improvement.

that's just inexperience talking - have you never played around with a multiband equaliser and noticed what difference you can make to the sound ?

No. I've got a HiFi. It doesn't have a "multiband equalizer". It plays what's on the CD.

I understand rhythm/pace/timing, or soundstaging or detail retrieval or left/right balance.

"Luxurious warmth" is meaningless and test bench measurements are irrelevant, IMHO.

Woppit I'd disagree. It's hard to quantify something as subjective as sound quality. Terms like warm, cold, full, lean have a meaning most people understand.
My Martin Logans were certainly less warm than my 3/5a's if by warm you mean distorted and inaccurate, oddly the 3/5's sounded absolutely fantastic on some stuff.

No. I've got a HiFi. It doesn't have a "multiband equalizer". It plays what's on the CD.

as I say - inexperience - plus possible brain washing from flat-earth Naimers.

ok, switching to a modern equivalent - what about the eq something like a Lyndorf or Tact has to apply to a system to make it sound as it should in a room?

If your room is not the optimal shape and you haven't applied extensive treatments to dampen down initial reflections then you are effectively using a multiband equaliser already, it is just that it is not adjustable and also adds some phasing artifacts.

Do any high end amps have equalizers? Even mid price ones?