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As for the idea that jack russels destroying a doll means anything other than they like destroying dolls is i'm afraid laughable.
it showed the natural pack tendency of dogs, was the point.
don't discount the jack russell, they are one of the breeds most likely to ATTACK:
but here's some rampant jack russells that were on their own:
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3816542.Toddler_scarred_for_life_after_dog_attack/
http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/01/fatality-victim-justin-mozer-killed-by.html
two dogs together:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/majornews/4549397/Baby-boy-dies-in-family-dog-attack.html
There is quite a lot of research showing thatdomestic dogs are not pack animals in the classical sense. Indeed the original pack hierachy described for wolves was based on captive animals and is largelyreplaced
Ban Jack Russels omg...........
What if you had been on the mobile , not really thinking about the dog and concentrating on the call. With your arm up and by the side of your head , and maybe delayed reactions what do you think would have happened?
Just had a similar thing on the bike . Shared use path , lady walking a Rotty . As I approach she switches sides so she is between the dog and myself. Alarm bells going off , so give her as much room as the path will allow . Rotty has a go ,up on its back legs heading straight for me . She has to pull it back with both hands on the lead and full body weight to allow me to pass . Bloody thing . Gave it beans and a cheeky under the armpit check to make sure i wasnt being persued.
Nice pet.
Report & save a child.
Stupid owner owes you a coat too. The $$$$.
(Love dogs but not stupid owners or dangerous mutts.)
The dog has been dangerously out f control in a public place, which is an offence
Because you have sustained injuries this is an aggravated offence
Give a statement to the officer when he attends and tell him you want the owner prosecuting, take a picture of the wound and keep the jacket as evidence.Did anyone else witness the attack
If this happens and the owner is found guilty the courts will issue a destruction order for the dog
This may seem harsh, BUT I have seen 2 young children mauled by this type of dog, so I would suggest you proceed and have this dangerous animal destroyed before it causes some serious injury, that you may have on your Conscience
I struggle to see the point of dogs outside of them being used as a tool (guide dog, sniffer dog etc). If the keeping of dogs as pets was banned in the UK this country would be a far more pleasant, cleaner, safer and quieter place.
Report it, but be prepared for the police to not take it seriously. They didn't when I had reason to report an out of control rotty.
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The dog has been dangerously out f control in a public place, which is an offence
Because you have sustained injuries this is an aggravated offence
Give a statement to the officer when he attends and tell him you want the owner prosecuting, take a picture of the wound and keep the jacket as evidence.Did anyone else witness the attack
If this happens and the owner is found guilty the courts will issue a destruction order for the dog
This may seem harsh, BUT I have seen 2 young children mauled by this type of dog, so I would suggest you proceed and have this dangerous animal destroyed before it causes some serious injury, that you may have on your Conscience
You've used a lot of terminology that suggests you know what you're talking about, but what exactly has the type of dog got to do with anything. Very few breeds are naturally aggressive.
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If you search for 'poodle attacks' you get a lot of responses, would it be fair to suggest that this 'type of dog' is dangerous?
Very few breeds are naturally aggressive
not true, which breeds are used for guarding/protection, agressive is maybe the wrong word but its close enough.
not true, which breeds are used for guarding/protection, agressive is maybe the wrong word but its close enough.
Unpredictable?
Combined with sharp teeth! No thanks.
I would start with TurnerGuy's suggestion, as it's the most reasonable thing written so far, in terms of actually living with the decision afterwards;
TurnerGuy - MemberGo and see the bloke
firstly because of the jacket
but also tell him that, whereas you should report the dog, you will not make a report if he agrees to always muzzle the dog in public from now on.
[b]Then you can get away without reporting it and not have to fear retaliation...[/b]
And if that provokes any of the responses outlined in the posts following his, I'd go with what easygirl says.
It's not a dangerous dog, as in the designated breeds that have been classed as dangerous, I.e American pit bull, etc
It's a Dog........dangerously out of control........in a public place
not true, which breeds are used for guarding/protection, agressive is maybe the wrong word but its close enough.Unpredictable?
Not really, ever met an on duty Police dog, very predictable but very agressive.
The police will have to take it seriously if you tell them
You have been injured
By a dog
In a public place
You know where the dog and owner live
You are prepared to go to court
It is a recordable crime and the officer will deal, be firm but patient with him as not all officers are au fait with the dangerous dogs act.They will be once you have insisied and they get some advice
I've met a lot of police dogs, very unpredictable, very aggressive, very hard bite
There is only one way to deal with this in my experience, report the dog, let the courts deal
If it bites again and the outcome is terrible, you will feel responsible, and in a way you will,be partly responsible
On a lot of occasions the owners agree to have the dog destroyed and it doesn't end in court.
Not really, ever met an on duty Police dog, very predictable but very agressive
Not really a good example. Extremely highly trained dogs are obviously going to be less unpredictable than a dog owned by a scumbag.
All animals are unpredictable, to varying degrees admittedly. Humans are also unpredictable but I can have conversation with other humans which helps.
I was writing a response, but I think I might have changed my thought process on this topic. Perhaps [u]all dogs[/u] have the capacity to be aggressive (as do humans), but it is their training (or upbringing) that defines their personality.
But perhaps the term 'aggression' should be replaced with 'assertive'.
All breeds have different natural personaility traits that mean the dog would be suited to a particular role. For example Dobermans for example are naturally protective of their property/owner, so make good guard dogs, and I suspect the same is true of Alsations.
Pit bulls, due to their size and strength are encouraged to be aggressive by some owners. But perhaps they're naturally easy to 'train' to be agressive due to the original purpose for which they were bred (fighting bears). I've read somewhere that these dogs can be good with their immediate family but do not like outsiders, particularly if they perceive a threat.
I once had my finger bitten by an angry little Jack Russell in a little old ladies handbag...that appeared to be an agressive dog, but perhaps it perceived a threat so was just being assertive.
Although, I suspect that you get the odd dog who's got a screw loose and wants to kill everything...same with humans.
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Anyway, that wasn't the purpose of this thread was it. To the OP...report it and let the authorities deal with it. If you didn't have your jacket on, your arm would be a mess and you'd be in hospital with surgeons trying to minimise the scarring. In a couple of months time, the sun will be out and you'll be in a t-shirt...then the dog will chew lumps out of you.
If you want to see what it could have looked like, search for 'dog bite on arm' and go to images in the results. See the second or third image. I won't imbed it as it's horrible.
I love your guys.
Only on STW could someone start a thread about being bitten by a big dog and have loads of people jump to the defence of the dog.
But perhaps the term 'aggression' should be replaced with 'assertive'.
I think the word 'aggression' is fine.
Take this little cutie - a Sealyham Terrier
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The breed was first developed to dispatch polecats, otters, badgers or anything else the upper class had a prejudice against.
The method of selective breeding was simple - when the puppies were a year old they were put in a trench with a pole-cat.
Any which didn't instantly attack and kill the polecat were shot.
The breed has been diluted a lot since it was established, but make no mistake breeds are bred to have innate aggressive traits.
easygirl - Member
I've met a lot of police dogs, very unpredictable, very aggressive, very hard bite
have you thought about giving up your life of crime 😉
Only on STW could someone start a thread about being bitten by a big dog and have loads of people jump to the defence of the dog.
i must have missed those posts.
I think theres a difference between dogs like staffies which have innate dog aggression, or terrier like agression to furry things and those breeds bred for protection/guarding which are much more capable of being aggressive towards people. Some will say its breed not deed which is true but you have to consider breed specific traits in training and socialising. For example my lurcher is a complete coward with other dogs and terrified of her own shadow but give her a cat or rabbit to chase and shes goes completely mental and would run through brick walls to get to them and no amount of shouting will stop her.
18 months and I will be giving up my life of crime forever 😀
I think theres a difference between dogs like staffies which have innate dog aggression, or terrier like agression to furry things and those breeds bred for protection/guarding which are much more capable of being aggressive towards people.
What I'm getting at is, if I'd just been bitten, I'm fairly sure that I really wouldn't give a much of a toss as to whether the dog's actions were due to breeding or training.
Dog bites man unprovoked. Dog dangerous. Dog owner need reporting. Next time, face of child. Wee, bombers, daily mail, wheelie bin.
I think you need to take a deep breath then either read whats been posted or go to bed to be honest. I think everyone has been very clear in the advice to report it to the police. No one has said anything remotely close to what you have said.
Just to clarify, it was reported earlier today!
Well done, hope they do something positive
(from a fish, child, face and large rescue-rottie owner)
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Thing could have been much different, well done for reporting it 😮
I am unaware of any model within the Bomber range capable of delivering the knock-out blow to this hell hound.
Not even Super Monster Ts? the extra reach/swung mass should help...
As a general dog loather and Parent of two children under 3 - Well done for reporting it...
Now invest in some CCTV for when the scrotes start chucking bricks at your windows...
Any update? I BET hes 'had it put down'. 🙄
My daughter was sat on a wall outside eating a bag of sweets when a woman came up and tied her devil dog to a railing next to my daughter then went in the shop. The dog jumped at my daughter and got a grip of her face, but choked on its lead when my daughter stood up in shock, and thankfully let go. My daughter moved a few paces away getting away from what could have been a really bad incident. She has visible teeth marks across her nose, non-visible ones inside her upper lip. She was pouring blood down her front really bad and the woman came out due to the noise, untied her dog, said, "my dog didn't do that!" and walked off.
The shop staff were kind, the police came round immediately, the shop staff IDed the owner and she was visited by the police. She admitted the attack and was given a week to put the dog down and she said she would. A week later the police went round and she backed off her initially admitting to the incident and refused to put the dog down.
Things we've learnt since the attack:
1) The woman got the dog off someone after it attacked their child. The woman has kids herself.
2) She's from an organised criminal family.
To avoid retribution my ex decided not to follow it any further. This is not a happy ending.
If the guy is your neighbour and he refuses to acknowledge things then you are looking at a lot of future trouble admittedly if you push things and he won't man up.
I wouldn't recommend escalating the argument, getting your own back. Some people I've known in the past have, letting the dog out of the back yard, putting it in a car and driving it 50 miles away and letting it loose in the country/on a motorway or even giving it a tab of acid (they don't come down off it and have to be put down) These end in more arguments and police interest.
Hmm, the answer to that is to put the bloody woman down.
Why is that not a consideration these days, we're all too happy to 'put down' defenceless animals for following their natural instincts yet get all hand wringing pinko liberal when it comes to doing the same to the worthless two legged variety.
I frankly prefer dogs to half the Godless Dog haters in this world and would gladly pull the switch that sends em through the trapdoors.
Would your daughter carry on chomping a bad of sweets next to a wolf? No, so why torment its supposedly domesticated cousin. Owners of kids have as much responsibility as owners of dogs to bring them up to be aware that animals are er animals and if you don't know them, just like humans, they can never be fully trusted.
That could just as easily been some hoody that came up punched her in the face and made off with her sweets, or her mobile phone as happened to my daughter.
We're surrounded by animals, some with two legs some with four, some are friendly some aint, put them all down if they act up, but don't discriminate is my firm opinion.
we're all too happy to 'put down' defenceless animals
If you think a Rotty/pit bull is defenceless, can I watch you punch one?
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Huge rotty: defenceless?
What a knob.
I'd kill the ****in dog myself there and then if it bit my son.
mrdestructo I was taking my small dog to a local park. A lady pushing a buggy was struggling to also walk a Staff and a Rottweiler - she seemed to give up very easy and let go of both leads- immediately I had my dog held aloft above my head with both dogs jumping against me to get to him.
I asked her calmly to take her dogs away immediately. She did (also way too easily) and she walked off. She then cameback a shortwhile later to the park to apologise to me. She also said they were her partners dogs and she didn't particular want them in the house and the Staff was changing the behaviour of the Rotweiller and leading it into bad habits.
What amazed me though was the way her mind must work- she readily admitted (and knew) where it was going however she almost callously let her dogs go without a fight knowing what might have happened to my dog.
Added to this, I knew exactly where they lived as I walked past as they came out of the house so maybe she was 'worried' about retribution.
Utterly bizarre behaviour - almost complex but probably just scattergun. What a terrible mix in that house.
binners - Member
we're all too happy to 'put down' defenceless animals
If you think a Rotty/pit bull is defenceless, can I watch you punch one?
I have thanks, and had to hold one whilst a couple of dopey useless girl vets who couldn't lift him and were scared because of drivel like this, had to administer the lethal injection, worse thing I've had to do lately.
If you don't think animals and dogs in particular are 'defenceless' against human cruelty then I feel sorry for your lack of 'nouse' I think the northern term is..
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*swoons*
I'd kill the **** dog myself there and then if it bit my son.
Totally different for myself but for a close family member I shudder to think how I'd react.
Never underestimate the strength of some of these dogs. I once punched a cross breed rottweiler square in the top of the head to stop it trying to tear apart a toy dog and it looked at me as if to say, "that tickles!" It honestly felt like hitting a solid plastic block with a layer of fur over it. Still, it gave the other dog owner a few seconds to life her dog up and stick it in her jacket (she'd been talking to someone with the dog on an extendable lead and it went off the full length to say hello to its 4 legged 'friend')
Have you read Tom Sharpe with Kaffir-Killer Els and his incident with a rottweiler? It may get down to that I reckon.
Had to stand well back and watch on the Bingley Bash the other day as some woman tried in vain to grab her bull terrier, comically named 'Crumble', as it set about attacking some other poor dog.
She then told me that it was a good job I'd only just arrived, as he 'really hated cyclists'. Apparently this was funny.
At least the OP has reported it.
martinhutch I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that comment/incident.
IMO a dog reacts inline with its owners reaction or action. If an owner dislikes cyclists the dog would have sensed tensing in the lead, comments or sense anger etc. So its not 'the dog', its the owner who hates cyclists IMO.
Yes, the underlying sociopath was certainly poking through the veneer of 'humour'.
All in all, it was a top day for wildlife, human and otherwise. I got aggressively nibbled by an angry swan on the towpath outside Skipton as well, but at least I could understand his motivation. And he was lacking in the teeth department too.