[Closed] As an Atheist.......

nasty thread 😕

Yeah, I noticed that!

*sighs and shakes head sadly *

Duplicate post... duplicate post... nothing to see here, people... move on....

There have been some nasty posts but it's not the thread's fault!

well... just for a bit of contrast, I thought that my post earlier in the thread was [i]incredibly[/i] nice.. in fact, even as I was typing it, I thought 'what an incredibly nice post'

so here it is again..

I love a bit of gospel me.. I always weep with joy when I watch Sister Act..

I wholly believe that the purveyors of musical religious worship are truly onto something.. I love music.. I particularly enjoy a well constructed set of dance music and the uplifting spiritualised sensation that it can bring..

If there was ever anything that could rejuvinate the morale of the woefully unfulfilled then it is the coming together as a group to sing away ones sorrows and dance away the stresses of day to day to life.. to lose ones self within the rhythm of the tribal drum..

Whether you worship God, truth, alcohol, love, money, material possessions, knowledge, power or simply the act of worship itself.. you could do a lot worse for yourself than a good old fashioned knees up once a week..

fill yer boots I reckon.. let the rhythm move you

Hope that helps.. 🙂

That ^^^^ is one of the nicest posts I've ever read on here.

* wipes eyes and looks mistily out of the window, thinking of love and tolerance in their many beautiful guises, and wonders when Yunki got all complex *

soory yunki, you're right that is nice

I like the sentiment as well, we could all do with more of that. Could do without the once a week hangover though, takes me all of monday to get over the weekend. LOL

S'alright guys.. don't get your hopes up..

I've been in group therapy this morning and there was a lot of breakthrough and unburdening..

the effect will wear off by this afternoon.. right now I'm off to shout at my kids

Yes the Woppists on here are pretty insulting to the religious

So now I've got my own cult!! Wow.

Please point out to me where I have been "insulting" to the "religious". All I can find is a series of opinions, politely couched from the Atheist perspective...

Lol.. the concept of subjective truth

Please explain "subjective truth".

Could do without the once a week hangover though, takes me all of monday to get over the weekend. LOL

Oh dear. Been a bit debauched again have we? What a naughty girl. 😐

[i]Repent sinner, lest ye be consumed by the fiery pit of Hell where ye shall suffer for eternity![/i]

Or at least until Tuesday.

[i]nasty thread [/i]

I wasn't nasty neither. I posted Mahalia Jackson singing. And if you listen to the end you too will get goosebumps. (Even though she might not be singing real facts)

Chiconahuiehecatl, Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli, Kwakwakalanooksiwae

Can't see these guys getting too many temples or hymns TBH. Child-Born-In-Jug, though, is clearly an awesome name 😀

Subjective truth:

Everything we can comprehend is filtered through our senses and processed by our brains relative to our experience and outlook. Even things that are supposedly 'facts'.

So a person or group of people might interpret the facts one way to arrive at an incontrovertible truth, and another would arrive at another.

However the point is that it is not possible to circumvent the processing of information by our brains [i]by definition[/i], therefore reality has to be subjective.

To put it another way, if there were an absolute reality no-one would ever be able to perceive it, so its existence is moot.

If you would prefer a more scientific perspective, this is neatly reflected in Quantum Mechanics - Schroedinger (as illustrated via his cat), Heisenberg and so on.

If some people see the hand of God in a beautiful sunrise, you can't really tell them that they are wrong. It is however fairly easy to argue against the story of creation, but that really is a different issue.

Molgrips - some things are not subjective - those that can be measured

So then molgrips, is my "7.5 centimetres" different from your "7.5 centimetres"?

If so, how on earth do we organise ourselves to build aeroplanes that fly?

Mr Woppit
So then molgrips, is my "7.5 centimetres" different from your "7.5 centimetres"?

😆

*tries to stop self from suggesting you're discussing penis sizes*

So then molgrips, is my "7.5 centimetres" different from your "7.5 centimetres"?

The whole of reality is rather more complex than a simple measurement. There is a lot on which we all agree, of course - the simple stuff like weights and measures.

Why not ask something else - is your 'blue' the same as my 'blue'?

[i]Oh dear. Been a bit debauched again have we? What a naughty girl.[/i]

nice club, some drinking and dancing (some snogging) no chips. 8/10 😆

Sunday lie in, slightly boozy lunch. snoozy until Downton, then bed.

My weekends need to be longer

edit: is now thinking inappropriate things about Molly.

Please explain "subjective truth".

Subjectively true [ if i agreed with any of those but I dont]

WTF 😡

Tooundred! 😀

Tis a Sign....

I struggle with long sentences

Can someone summarise please? In haiku if possible?

Some say: Faith is God
Most Say: No God here, dude
Then we had a scrap

How's that? 8)

Not bad!

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edit: is now thinking inappropriate things about Molly

Wow.. I've never met a woman who's turned on by me being a smart-arse 🙂

Or were you thinking about DD's dog?

Junkyard - proof is the issue here - that can also be subjective. Why d'you think scientists argue so much?

molgrips - my "blue" may indeed be different than your "blue". The point however, is that we are both looking at something we describe as "blue". The fact is, all human beings experience colour. All have a colour which they describe as "blue".

Therefore: the colour exists and can be quantified in such a way that all agree it is "blue".

That is objective.

However, not only is "god" a subjective experience for a minority who hallucinate non-verifiable disembodied voices and so forth, the majority of believers accept a "god" simply because they've been told this stuff by other people (some of whom wear funny costumes and must therefore be right), without any objective "measurement" that can be generally accepted.

We are able to objectively measure and understand the universe we live in from the micro sub-atomic level to the vast expanse of the macro universe and how it and everything we know in it has evolved with a huge amount of complexity and accuracy. Measuring "7.5 centimetres" is a part of this skill.

Reality is objective.

Gravity - pretty objective. It doesn't really matter what you believe or how you perceive it - gravity exists in the same way for everyone

molgrips - my "blue" may indeed be different than your "blue". The point however, is that we are both looking at something we describe as "blue". The fact is, all human beings experience colour. All have a colour which they describe as "blue".

Therefore: the colour exists and can be quantified in such a way that all agree it is "blue".

That is objective.

The philosophy of colour is a little bit more complex than this...

Even if everyone agrees that their entirely subjective visuals of a certain colour coincide (and the colour can therefore be allocated the name 'blue), you can't say that that colour exists objectively. What you are talking about is no more than a common sense solution to a complex theoretical problem.

Common sense solutions are not objective. 🙄

emsz?

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Well, she is a girl dog... 🙂

Gravity - pretty objective. It doesn't really matter what you believe or how you perceive it - gravity exists in the same way for everyone

Yeah, but for every 'gravity' there's a 'beauty' or a 'coldness'. They're subjective.

Where's this all going anyway? 😕

Where did the thread turn nasty?

I want to go back and read from there.

Well, we know that "colour" is in fact light being reflected off of a surface that does so at a particular wavelength - different surfaces producing different wavelengths.

The measurable effect is there.

camo - some discussion of subjective / objective truth

Rubbernecker

Well, we know that "colour" is in fact light being reflected off of a surface that does so at a particular wavelength - different surfaces producing different wavelengths.

The measurable effect is there.

If the measurement takes place prior to the moment when a human eye catches the light and labels the colour seen 'blue' I agree with you.

Once we've passed the 'blue' stage we're in a whole heap of subjectivity.

camo - some discussion of subjective / objective truth

Ta! 😀

Where did the thread turn nasty?

the nasty poster had a moment of clarity and edited the beastliness away.

Well, we know that "colour" is in fact light being reflected off of a surface that does so at a particular wavelength - different surfaces producing different wavelengths.

The measurable effect is there.

If it's not subjective, why can't I hear a dog whistle?

the nasty poster had a moment of clarity and edited the beastliness away.

😕

Roughly then?

And why do mrs deadly and I have discussions that go along the lines of "Look, I'm telling you that's blue". "no, it's definitely grey..." etc etc.?

TandemJeremy - Member
Gravity - pretty objective. It doesn't really matter what you believe or how you perceive it - gravity exists in the same way for everyone

Well so does God, given that most descriptions are semantics, try this as proof of the existence of a supreme power..

If you believe in God then you have to accept Satan and vice versa and you'll find the latter easier to believe in than the former with just a little research, anyway I digress.

If you change the terminology as a force for good and a force for evil.

Then call them Positive and Negative.

Then accept that electromagnetism is the reason everything works, and as such is the life 'force' and requires both Positive & Negative in order to function at all levels.

Then how can you disbelieve one of them?

'God' is just the positive element of 'The Force'

The stories, the various religions, mans pathetic attempt over the years to understand 'why'.

Easy really can't understand why more folk don't get it...

And anyway I have to believe, because God speaks to me all the time and I never seem to be able to ignore her.. She sent me here to help y'all... 😉

Oh, we're back here again are we? 😮

I love the Star Wars reduction philosophy contained in:

'God' is just the positive element of 'The Force'

Good work there.

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Oh and yes, it was a bit of a troll, long overdue I might add. 😆

Well so does God, given that most descriptions are semantics, try this as proof of the existence of a supreme power..

😯

Nope - God is an invention of man to attempt to explain the inexplicable

give me one piece of objective proof any god exists

without any objective "measurement" that can be generally accepted

I think a great many people, billions in fact, generally accept that there is a god or gods. So don't start going on about general acceptance.

Plus if you have to say stuff like that 'anyone can see' or 'generally accepted' then you are onto a losing streak in this game I feel.

Derek - don't try and get scientific with the electromagentism thing. You don't understand it well enough to argue like that. As I understand it, God is outside science.