Just got home to find a nice letter from them, demanding £530, from 2008/9..... 😈
Can I not pay it somehow??
do you owe it?
I'm having an ongoing dispute over allowable expenses. Every year I think I've sorted it, every year I get the same letter.
HMRC are the most incompetent organisation in the world. Ignore it. You'll get another letter demand another arbitrary, plucked-out-of-the-air sum, from a completely different tax office in about 2016
*desperately resists the urge to start ranting about my year-on-year battles with the utter muppets*
Phone them and tell them you can't pay - they'll put you on a repayment plan of £2/week or something, that's what my sister reckoned anyway when she worked in the tax office briefly.
They just gave us £1200 though so we can see the family this Christmas - hurrah!
Do I owe it - don't think so, my employer at the time sorted everything!
Can I pay it - no! My only income is carers allowance (taxable mind 👿 ) of £80 a week....
I really hate these people...
I would have thought they would just adjust your tax code for that sort of amount? They certainly did for me when I got a similar letter earlier this year?
Don't bother trying to phone them. Unless you want to experience talking to 97 (invariably unpleasant) people in separate departments for what seems like about two thirds of your life. None of whom are actually authorised to make a decision
Conduct all communications in writing
and wait 8 weeks for a reply.
8 weeks? Have they speeded things up a lot lately?
ciderinsport - Member
Do I owe it - don't think so, my employer at the time sorted everything!Can I pay it - no! My only income is carers allowance (taxable mind ) of £80 a week....
I really hate these people...
You hate the people who collect the taxes to ensure you get your carers allowance?
They told us we owed them around three and a half grand(!) for two years underpaid tax due to a mess up with tax codes.
We appealed under [url= http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/esc/esc.htm ]ESC A19[/url] and they wrote off the whole lot!
[We appealed under ESC A19 and they wrote off the whole lot!]
Ditto - took me 3 letters and threatening to write to my MP, but they wrote it off in the end.
This link should help explain the process
http://www.litrg.org.uk/News/2010/paye-xmas-help.htm
I work in a shared office block with several floor occupied by HMRC. Most of them can't do basic stuff like use the toilets, tie their shoe laces or get dressed properly! So, I fail to see how they could do anything like understand the 15 gazillion reams of tax laws and how they apply to your case.
I really hate these people...
Don't hate them - they are just useless fools. No malice involved.
found out (largely accidentally after trusting them that I didn't need to self-assess every year) that they'd been assuming I was getting about 200 quid in tips every year for about 5 years (have never had a tip all my working life) 🙁
made for a nice christmas club payout this time last year though
molgrips - MemberI really hate these people...
Don't hate them - they are just useless fools. No malice involved.
You've just got a payout from them, you're hardly going to be dragging their name through the muck are you? 😆
I've had 19 different coding notices in the last 2 years
The only change in circumstamces was no longer getting a co. car
I work for a company that builds and maintains HMRCs PAYE system. basically we're going through millions of accounts that had problems in previous years due to the last system, trying to get them back into some sort of order. The OP will be one of these accounts.
Basically it was decided not to pursue accounts that had underpaid tax prior to 2008, so any underpayments from 2008 onwards are seen as collectable. As others have said, use rule A19 to get out of it.
An old employer screwed up my P11d and declared my mileage reimbursements as taxable income for two years on the trot. I had been given a copy of my 2007/8 P11d so I could sort it out, but I hadn't been given a copy of my 2006/7 form. HMRC claimed that they "didn't have it", despite the fact that they kept quoting figures from it!
Luckily, the whole episode only cost me £132 (had the forms been processed correctly, I'd have stood for a £350 rebate) but it took me 15 phone calls and five letters to get to the bottom of it.
The only positive news other than the fact that their new computer system seems to be working is that a lot of HMRC employees are being made redundant. Rarely have I dealt with so many individuals with a more rudimentary grasp of their own organisation's regulations!
The phrase 'the right hand doesn't know what the left hands doing' was written with HMRC specifically in mind. It takes an eternity to get anything sorted.
You're constantly getting that Deja vu feeling, as you have the same conversation for the 10th time, with [i]yet another[/i] person from HMRC, who will inevitably have no knowledge of any previous correspondence, and have to run through from the start again. Knowing full well, you'll be doing it again in a weeks time
It reminded me of the totally dysfunctional department's in
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Update:
Phoned them - spent 59 mins waiting to talk to someone, then gave up and walked the dog.....
Going to write a nice letter stating the A19 thing that has been mentioned! Thanks for that!
ciderinsport, there are thousands of these going out every day, approx 80k a day. they're so understaffed as it is, the call centres will be overrun with confused taxpayers.
Send them a letter and forget about it
Here's a picture of the team at head office
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Same thing has just happened to me 🙁
Back in 2009 i was made redundant by the firm going bust underneath us. I had to go through the Insolvency Service for my compensation and recieved two different payments totalling around £8'500.
Six months later i recieved out of the blue an ex-gratia payment of just over £2000, reduced to £1900 after NI contributions - i noticed at the time the letter stated - Income Tax payable : £0.00.
Last week i had a letter from the Inland Revenue demanding £410 so i called them up and asked why, turns out they should have taken the tax after all - bugger!
I wonder which part of my bike they want back? 😆
Last week i had a letter from the Inland Revenue demanding £410 so i called them up and asked why, turns out they should have taken the tax after all - bugger!
Doesn't matter - as I understand it*, if you can show that they didn't act on information given to them in a timely manner then you can still appeal under the terms of ESC A19.
*IANAL
aagghh its not just me then.. doing my personal return online i sussed that i was 3 and a half grand short of what i owed so i rings up all honest likes explains i wants to pay but am 3500 short lady says not a prob pay it via dd overthe next 3 months we ll sort the amounts out not a problem.. 6 months later cough you still owe 500.. why.. well we used some of the 3500 to pay some of next years tax bill that you dont owe us for another year but hey tough.. cough up..
Ha ha and they now call us 'clients'. Yeah like we have some sort of choice.... I know if I had a choice I'd blimmin well excercise it.
Cretins.
It reminded me of the totally dysfunctional department's in
That's exactly the film that comes to mind whenever I've had to deal with such departments/agencies.
TBH they still technically owe me four hundred and odd pounds from ages ago but it's so utterly soul destroying trying to chase it up and the voices in my head have only just stopped and I'm allowed to use metal cutlery now so I'd rather a peaceful life, you know? 😥
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ok, now I am confused 😕
They just sent a cheque for the amount they said I owe them!!
Shopping time 😆
Have they mistaken you for Vodaphone?
8)
I got a cheque for £3k out of them last years - but it had taken 3 years of them arsing around and arguing to get it...
ciderinsport - Member
ok, now I am confusedThey just sent a cheque for the amount they said I owe them!!
lol 😀
ciderinsport, what does the P800 say? (the first letter you received)
Bollocks.
Just done some checking regarding ESC A19. It seems the taxman needs to have demanded the money within 12 months of the end of the tax yr in which the arrears happened - i recieved my untaxed payment on the 2nd August 2010 so the end of that tax yr is 5th April 2011 - just under 8 months ago 👿