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Luddites!
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=0&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1016

And while we are there. Will hifi buffs really buy anything?
http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1564


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:01 am
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Very few items in the house should need a 13amp fuse most plugs should have 3 or 5 amp fuses depending on what they are running.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:03 am
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Don't worry. they sell those too. A snip at £25


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:05 am
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Very few items in the house should need a 13amp fuse most plugs should have 3 or 5 amp fuses depending on what they are running.

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"Finally getting chance to sit and listen to the Super Fuse and you've done it again! Great upgrade. Soundstage is now wide enough to forget the speakers are even there! Moreover, I think the musicians are actually having more fun!!

To some it up...love it!"

Mr J Weston, Bromsgrove"

Can you phone NHS 24 to get someone sectioned?


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:05 am
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I was going to laugh and feel superior. But then going on the price of mtb stuff these days and the recent switch to a new industry standard and completely unnecessary 27.5 wheel size, for no other reason than its reinvigorated returns for companies in the bike industry where innovation has slowed. So maybe the joke us on us as much as the hifi buffs...


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:06 am
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25 quid for a fuse? Bargain!


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:07 am
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That's f-ing mental.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:07 am
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How many fuses would I need to cost 25quid. Even if I bought them in Harrods I doubt over a lifetime of blowing fuses would I spend 25 squid!
I'm out!


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:07 am
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You'd be a bit annoyed if you wired up your directional cable the wrong way and blew it the first time you plugged it in.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:08 am
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£25 for a fuse is brilliant.

Nearly as good as Brew Dog selling a 1 Gallon brew kit for £40.

[url= http://www.therealalecompany.co.uk/brooklyn-brew-shop-beer-making-kit-brewdog-punk-ipa-kit.html ]http://www.therealalecompany.co.uk/brooklyn-brew-shop-beer-making-kit-brewdog-punk-ipa-kit.html[/url]


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:09 am
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What's the HiFi buffs take on Bluetooth speakers then... 😆

It must be "does not compute" moment for them...


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:13 am
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Bang on about contact and special coatings but they sell a bog standard crimping kit;

[url= http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=0&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1205 ]http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=0&region=UK&currency=GBP&pf_id=1205[/url]

Why would they not recommend a soldered joint etc?


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:13 am
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We’ve tested our SuperFuses™ against several other competitors’ fuses and in our systems here and at home and we’ve yet to find a competitors’ fuse that outperformed our new fuses.

Which is carefully not quite going as far as to say that the SuperFuses™ out perform anything else, just that they're not worse than something that costs 10p.

Anyway its all for nothing if you've not replaced the atmosphere in your living room with the special air you have to pay extra for when you get tyres at kwikfit


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:22 am
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Nearly as good as Brew Dog selling a 1 Gallon brew kit for £40.

But £6 a pint is well worth it.


 
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Even before opening it I knew this was going to be about Russ Andrews....

Some things never change. But for those who like their hifi without a great deal of BS, [url= http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/ ]pinkfishmedia is about as close a hifi forum to STW as you're likely to get. [/url]


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:31 am
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Seems like they've priced it too low, it's hard to imagine a £25 fuse can offer that much performance advantage but a £5000 fuse will obviously be better.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 11:33 am
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edit - already done.


 
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What's the HiFi buffs take on Bluetooth speakers then...

They're fine but you have to carefully consider the transport path for the signal. Ideally, fill the room with Helium but that's really only for the most exacting systems. In most cases, a nitrogen only atmosphere works well and is easily obtainable.

Five minutes sat listening to a bluetooth speaker in either a helium or nitrogen-fillied room and you'll never hear anything better...

Rachel


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 12:33 pm
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I might get some of these for my sonos speakers


 
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pinkfishmedia is about as close a hifi forum to STW as you're likely to get.

so nickc...

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What's the HiFi buffs take on Bluetooth speakers then?

[url= http://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum/showthread.php?t=170532 ]...wonder no more[/url]


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 12:43 pm
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On that second link in the OP, change the 'plug type' drop-down and watch the price change.

😯


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 12:43 pm
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[i]watch the price change.[/i]

I'm assuming the revised price includes the tidal power generator that makes electricity from waves traveling at exactly 50Hz so there's no phasing issues?


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 12:47 pm
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Dear god, I just went down the rabbit hole on that website. I knew hi-fi buffs paid over the odds for stuff, but some of that stuff is ridiculous. DO they live in some parallel universe with different laws of physics? 😆


 
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DO they live in some parallel universe with different laws of physics?

It is well known in the Hifi world that Physics has yet to properly explain the well known Hifi phenomenon whereby the more you pay for something the better it sounds even though conventional physics can find no physical difference between the two items. That was the real reason the Hifi community built the Cern particle accelerator.....


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 1:31 pm
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I always end up convinced that it's all a massive troll.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 1:31 pm
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Shoddy website - there's an 11ft cable priced at £8500! - they really need to proof read it.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 1:43 pm
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That cable ... but you just plug it into a copper supplied feed ... but ... it ... but ... it's ... useless.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 2:04 pm
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Nearly as good as Brew Dog selling a 1 Gallon brew kit for £40.

It's not even a real gallon.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 2:13 pm
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The end caps are hand-polished

Well, I'm sold. Oh! wow. They're in stock as well.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 2:16 pm
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That Russ Andrews website is bonkers - the only thing more outrageous than the prices is the guff descriptions of how they improve things. Anyway off to replace my stem bolts some titanium ones so I'll go faster.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 2:37 pm
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For an extra £15 they'll complete the 'burn in' process for you too by plugging it into their special machine for 3 days. Accelerates the process from 500hrs to a mere 72.


 
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Doesn't seem that much more mental that some of the crap spouted about bikes, I wonder if those fuses would make the trail come alive if play mtb video soundtracks?


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 4:33 pm
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We’ve tested our SuperFuses™ against several other competitors’ fuses and in our systems here and at home and we’ve yet to find a competitors’ fuse that outperformed our new fuses.

Outperformed. So all the others from the hardware shop are just as good.

Hifi reviews - the ultimate source of confirmation bias (mountain bikes = second)!


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 4:39 pm
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Hifi reviews - the ultimate source of confirmation bias (mountain bikes = second)!

Source?


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 4:42 pm
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Source?

This is an internet forum, not The Journal of Applied Physics. Sources/citations/raw data would invariably get in the way of the knee-jerk responses so loved of the internet (which is why said journal probably doesn't have a forum).


 
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I'm in the market for some laterally ridged yet vertically compliant speaker cable to make my speakers come alive.
Anyone know where I can get some?


 
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What's the HiFi buffs take on Bluetooth speakers then?
...wonder no more

I didn't realise they were Bluetooth.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 6:01 pm
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Hifi reviews - the ultimate source of confirmation bias (mountain bikes = second)!

Well, at least most reviewers haven't fallen for the Pono MP3 player that Neil Young's been touting, despite the claims being made about 'high-definition music'.
I really can't hear any significant difference between a 320Kb AAC file, and the same track in Lossless or FLAC.
But I guess I need to spend over £1000 on custom earphones, or headphones, to really appreciate the true subtlety afforded by HD music. 😉


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 7:06 pm
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That fuse is cheap you need one of these

[url= http://www.mains-cables-r-us.co.uk/mains-products/936-synergistic-research-red-reference-mains-fuse-13-amp-.html ]Synergistic Research Fuse £57[/url]

And a £165 wall socket [url= http://www.mains-cables-r-us.co.uk/mains-wall-sockets/198-furutech-fp-1363d-uk-wall-socket.html ]http://www.mains-cables-r-us.co.uk/mains-wall-sockets/198-furutech-fp-1363d-uk-wall-socket.html[/url]


 
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HiFi and religion are similar in a lot of ways.
😛
Both, when taken to the extreme require the suspension of rational belief and a willingness to replace a lifetimes experience with the opinion of others.

Flat earthers/Linn evangelists are usually the worst - Scientology for non Americans.


 
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My brother in law is manager of a Hi-Fi shop and while he acknowledges that there 'probably' isn't any picture quality difference between using a cheap HDMI cable and an expensive one, the [b]sound[/b] quality coming through that same cable is another matter.

In addition he sells expensive cloths for wiping dust off your CDs and insists the difference between a freshly wiped CD and a slightly dusty one is night and day.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 8:54 pm
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Don't you just wipe cd's and dvd's on your jumper before playing them??


 
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Que? It's digital. It either reads or it doesn't. It's not a vinyl record. There are some proper whoppers in the HiFi world 😆

I remember seeing a similar advert years ago for a wooden volume knob to replace your existing (terrible sounding) one. The description of how it achieved superior sound quality was comedy/marketing gold. Think it was about £800.


 
Posted : 20/04/2015 9:21 pm
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My brother in law is manager of a Hi-Fi shop and while he acknowledges that there 'probably' isn't any picture quality difference between using a cheap HDMI cable and an expensive one, the sound quality coming through that same cable is another matter.

It's the same technology so how on earth can be better for one and not the other, except for helping the sales figures in your brother's shop?


 
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Hifi reviews - the ultimate source of confirmation bias (mountain bikes = second)!

I see that and raise you the cosmetics industry. You clearly need different pots of gloop at £40 a pop for your face, hands, feet and arse, and only our arse cream has Rectinol pro-vitamin a55, because we've just made it up. In tests, 90% of the ten women we cherry-picked results from said it made their skin feel younger-looking.


 
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Que? It's digital. It either reads or it doesn't. It's not a vinyl record. There are some proper whoppers in the HiFi world

Didn't we have a similar "hifi nutters" thread a while back where they talked about how the type of digital storage media that your NAS uses (e.g. hard drive versus flash) alters the soundscape and tonal warmth of your mp3s?

Barking.


 
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I reckon we are missing a trick here

With the current tariffs, we could take electricity and pre-filter it to a higher accuracy than the standard CEGB grade, then feed it back in to the national grid for delivery to audiophiles via the existing network

I estimate this should be deliverable for only around 20% more than existing mainstream electricity prices, and my testing shows it provides a measurable improvement in sound quality!


 
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Can't tell if it's a piss take or not, the fact that they can't even take a picture of the current version of a £5000 cable and the mad testimonials don't help...

Then I thought it was probably serious, until I saw the fitting instructions for the £5000 cable with pure silver rhodium plated connectors, which include cutting the old plug off your CD player and attaching a £6.20 plastic b&q special female end to plug it in to....


 
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Didn't we have a similar "hifi nutters" thread a while back where they talked about how the type of digital storage media that your NAS uses (e.g. hard drive versus flash) alters the soundscape and tonal warmth of your mp3s?

Aye.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/hifi-breakthrough

Comedy gold.


 
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Just looking for the correct plug and socket, cabling and distribution board, meter tails and meter to match this superfuse...hang on, I might need a new underground supply cable and ask the local supplier to fit a new transformer....or does this superfuse clean everything up.....are people that gullible?


 
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The fanbois got all up in arms when the ASA ruled against Russ Andrews. There is a What-HIFI thread full of folk, including the editors coming to the aid of their beloved Russ. http://asa.org.uk/Rulings/Adjudications/2014/1/Russ-Andrews-Accessories-Ltd/SHP_ADJ_228690.aspx


 
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the ASA ruled against Russ Andrews

Although I think that it's a complete load of horse shit, the ASA never ruled against Russ Andrews, as they never claimed the tests indicate the leads make any difference.

Similarly, the graphs do not prove that the rejection
measured in the lab has a perceptible (ie audible) effect

Personally I think they should of. These people are as bad as any other "rogue trader".

Their whole website is amazing especially the descriptions of the "technology".

Que? It's digital. It either reads or it doesn't.

Not quite true with reading a CD. A dusty CD may still play without any obvious skips or jumps but it doesn't mean all the data has been read.


 
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Not quite true with reading a CD. A dusty CD may still play without any obvious skips or jumps but it doesn't mean all the data has been read.

I think it does; any unread data up to a certain threshold can be exactly recreated, using the same Reed-Solomon error correction redundancy principle as used when a large data Parchive is recovered if some of the .par segments are lost. A dusty disc would certainly be within this recoverable tolerance. iirc you can drill a 2mm hole in a CD and still be able to recover all the data.


 
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you can drill a 2mm hole in a CD and still be able to recover all the data.

After you.


 
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My brother in law is manager of a Hi-Fi shop and while he acknowledges that there 'probably' isn't any picture quality difference between using a cheap HDMI cable and an expensive one, the sound quality coming through that same cable is another matter.

In addition he sells expensive cloths for wiping dust off your CDs and insists the difference between a freshly wiped CD and a slightly dusty one is night and day.


Yeah, riiiiiiiight! 😀
Having said that, CD's are certainly prone to bit-rot; the lacquer coating on the label side isn't always good quality, and can be pervious to damp getting through, which leads to the aluminium coating corroding. The worst for this were, ironically, Nimbus Records, a label who produced high quality classical recordings, but the lacquer stays tacky to the touch, and if the discs are kept on a shelf next to an external wall where they can get a bit damp, it's not unusual to find mould growing on them. Mine are fifteen-twenty years old, but they still feel slightly sticky to the touch.
They still play ok, though, and they've been ripped into iTunes as well.


 
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[url= http://www.audio-consulting.ch/?Parts:Woodlenses ]Woodlenses[/url] anybody?


 
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HiFi and religion are similar in a lot of ways.

Both, when taken to the extreme require the suspension of rational belief and a willingness to replace a lifetimes experience with the opinion of others.

Flat earthers/Linn evangelists are usually the worst - Scientology for non Americans.


How well I remember the magazine articles, particularly about Linn kit. Advising hifi buffs to have their music room set up without any driven transducers, like speakers* in telephones, TV's, digital watches... 🙄
That's when the directional cable cults started up, back in the 80's.
*apart from the hifi speakers, of course. 😉


 
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It's not even gold, I'm ooot! 👿 😉


 
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Not quite true with reading a CD. A dusty CD may still play without any obvious skips or jumps but it doesn't mean all the data has been read.

That may be true as far as it goes, but data is still data. The extensive CD error checking and correction will repair any glitches to a point but the fact remains that a CD will either play (perfectly) or skip. It's not possible to get a CD that sounds a bit crap because it's dusty. The thing about zeros and ones is that there's no such thing as 0.8.

Now, the DAC that converts digital data to analogue audio is wholly susceptible to quality issues; a crap DAC will always be crap. But faults on the raw source? No, sorry, it either works or it doesn't.

The AV industry is still trading on the idea that digital media is prone to the same problems as analogue and that's borderline criminal IMHO.


 
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The thing about zeros and ones is that there's no such thing as 0.8.

You say that, but in comms it's quite common to have digital decoders work on 'soft bits' which mean they take the raw value (between 0 and 1) and then iterate to a hard value via a algorithm e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soft_output_Viterbi_algorithm

I've even got a patent on a [url= http://google.com/patents/EP0973292A2?cl=ja ]particular user case[/url] for them.


 
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. The extensive CD error checking and correction will repair any glitches to a point but the fact remains that a CD will either play (perfectly) or skip.
I thought there was actually a half way house where if there were data points that couldn't be reconstructed that the CD player would interpolate between those points to allow it to keep going without dropping out. Might need to see if i can hunt down where i saw that but it was a while ago now


 
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interpolation of missing data...


 
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It is easy to mock...


 
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I used to work with one of these [s]audiophiles[/s] loonies. He used to only play music in the small hours of the night, because "the electricity supply was superior"

He would also polish the connectors and plugs to get better contacts. I asked him if he did the same with the house wiring, the look he used to give me was priceless.

🙄


 
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A fool and his money


 
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interpolation of missing data...

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It is easy to mock...

Could you expand a bit on this please?


 
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Could you expand a bit on this please?

Which bit?

Wikipedia has some stuff about interpolation of data :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_player


 
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Wikipedia has some stuff about interpolation of data :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_player

Indeed it does.

It also has some stuff about

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc_Digital_Audio ]Red Book CD Standard[/url]

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_detection_and_correction ]Error Correction and Detection[/url]

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed%E2%80%93Solomon_error_correction ]Reed-Solomon Error Correction[/url]

... the tl;dr upshot of which is that a CD needs to be pretty screwed up to defeat the error correction (that is, the exact bit for bit reconstruction of missing data) inbuilt into the CD standard and require interpolation to be used. Certainly more than a bit of dust or a few scratches.


 
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Certainly more than a bit of dust or a few scratches.

Or an unpolished fuse.


 
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... the tl;dr upshot of which is that a CD needs to be pretty screwed up to defeat the error correction (that is, the exact bit for bit reconstruction of missing data) inbuilt into the CD standard and require interpolation to be used. Certainly more than a bit of dust or a few scratches.

The was a Cambridge Audio player than had a red light that came on if it had to interpolated, or maybe only if it had errors, but I don't think it came on much.

But CDs have a life which is apparently shortened quite a lot if they have a printed label on. My mate did some research while at cerl in leatherhead, whereas they might have a life of 30 years with no printed label, it could be lowered to 10 with a printed label.

I have some old CDs that have unrecoverable errors on - at least when trying to rip them.


 
Posted : 24/04/2015 10:39 am
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Just a short email to tell you how impressed I am by my latest upgrade from your company.
As previously described by another purchaser, the speakers almost disappear because the soundstage is vastly increased in size. I also note a considerable increase in volume and a deeper bass which seems more controlled. Separation between instruments and detail is also greatly improved.

Thank you once again for a great product.

Mr R Aitken

Is this "latest upgrade" of which you speak actually the fuse against which your review is placed?
Con merchants the lot of em.

ps. That's PeterPoddy's brother isn't it? 😉


 
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