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Something we may see in the near future ?
Because they will have your give up their deposit?
I have asked this too, of some rabid SNP/Yes supporters of my acquaintance. It transpires they consider it against their principles.
I also wonder if the referendum vote should have been extended to the whole of the UK electorate, and what would have happened ?
I was chatting to someone about this at the crag the other day. He had a theory that in time, if independence is not forthcoming, the SNP will lose some of their momentum as they are increasingly closely associated with "the establishment". At that point he reckoned that that they party could face a split between those who support the SNP for their perceived moderate left wing economic policies and those who support the nationalist cause and result in a new left wing party which could challenge over the whole of the UK.
I thought it was quite an interesting idea.
They could call it "Newer Labour"
Bacause they would score more votes than the Libs and that would be embarrassing for Nick and Dave.
[quote=Sancho said]They could call it "Newer Labour"
Older Labour would be more appropriate.
An informal progressive alliance seems to be emerging between SNP, Plaid Cymru and the English Green Party....its not official though.
There was a poll somewhere today that showed they would probably get around 11% of the Mainland UK vote. More than Lib Dems, but 2% less than UKIP.
The whole independence thing is probably too core but if you filed that off, I reckon a lot of people would be interested in what's left. After all, a lot of scottish people vote SNP but didn't vote for independence.
The SNP ultimately don't want to be at Westminster they want Home rule/Independance, they represent Scottish constituencies, why would they want seats in England, Wales or NI?
And there already exists a Left wing Independance [s]bunch of bampots[/s] Party called The Scottish Socialist Party who is/has been represented by everyones favourite tabloid swinger/baiter Tommy Sheridan (Raises clenched fist).
Instead of espousing independence for Scotland, they could change their name to the SENP (South East Nationalist Party), and try putting MPs up throughout the whole UK advocate independence for the South East of England instead.
Pretty much everyone would vote for that, I reckon
Given time, I think we'll see their equivalent in the North of England, a sort of True Labour.
They would probably win in Corby. 😀
Which North of England slow old git? Some very different demographics up there.
From the natural supporters of MPs like the late Jack Ashley and the Beast of Bolsover.
My for Stoke? That's the Midlands.
No point fixing the problem of Westminster politics if that's your main source of ammo for independence.
Tommy Sheridan hasn't been in the SSP since he got caught, get with the times. SSP have had their day IMO, Greens have more chance.
And I'd imagine it would be fairly obvious why SNP don't stand in England, much like Plaid, SinnFein and DUP. What is less obvious is why nobody has come up with a viable equivalent.
Voltaire was correct when he said "We look to Scotland for all our ideas of civlisation."
The North obviously depends on your viewpoint. For some of us The North started about Meaford power station, now gone, so now about N Stafford Services perhaps. That's based on accents, btw.
And for some of us that's the Midlands, beyond the crap ex Mill towns and slums there is an exotic and different North with rural ideals and a more right wing view at times. Think about it as the union vs league divide.
Sod that. North of the M25 is North.
The North obviously depends on your viewpoint.
I think that if you're as close to the south coast as you are to the border with scotland you're probably in the midlands.
who support the SNP for their perceived moderate left wing economic policies
I haven't yet seen any moderate left-wing economic policies from the SNP, I've actually seen some quite right-wing economic policies such as on taxation. I have seen plenty of left-wing social policies from the SNP though.
Whilst I'm happy to see Labour wiped off the Scottish political landscape by the SNP on May 7 I actually agree with Miliband's criticism of the SNP's policies - their figures just don't add up. Only in fantasy land can you combine neo-liberal economic policies with social-democratic levels of spending.
The SNP's anti-austerity campaign is extremely important and for that reason they have my support (and obviously the support of a lot of Scots). But the great danger is that having unsustainable policies will in the longer term undermine those who argue that austerity is not the solution and give further ammunition to those who peddle the TINA lie.
The problem is that the SNP unlike Plaid Cymru is not an instinctive left-wing party. It is fundamentally a right-wing party which initially stayed stationary as the Labour Party drifted further and further to the right. As disillusionment with the Labour Party among traditional Labour voters grew the SNP grabbed the opportunity and started attacking Labour from a left-wing perspective. All great stuff but potentially highly fraught.
I thought there was already a foolproof way of recognising where 'North' is? Isn't it (the North) about how you refer to one of these...
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Its a barm by the way
I haven't yet seen any moderate left-wing economic policies from the SNP, I've actually seen some quite right-wing economic policies such as on taxation. I have seen plenty of left-wing social policies from the SNP though.
Hence why I edited and added the word perceived as I do think that's the way they're seen.
Its a barm by the way
So what do you think we call them in the north?
No it isn't and there is only 35 miles between my home town and the border...
Could be a bun.
Ah, Mike, you mean the Empty Area. Got you: between Lancaster and the M8, about.
If you're from The North, then you're prepared to get into an argument on the subject. If you're from the south you'll just assume its a bread roll, and wonder why on earth everyone is getting so heated 😉
Originally from Northumberland and lived a lot in the lakes, so not that empty and a great area to live just less chips on the shoulder than the manc massive and the lanc/Yorkshire crap.
Being Northern isn't a badge or a political statement it's just geography, it gets very diverse (we even accept Sunderland) so don't badge what you see North of you as the North.
we even accept Sunderland
Steady on.
Hence why I edited and added the word perceived as I do think that's the way they're seen.
To be fair I had noted the word "perceived". And I agree - many people perceive the SNP to be left-wing, I've yet to see significant evidence beyond some very worthy social commitments.
In contrast Plaid Cymru were left-wing long before 'New Labour' was dreamt up by Brown, Mandelson, and Blair.
As a Scot living in York I might be willing to stand for the SNP provided you lot put up the deposit.
But please note that as a middle class STW type (I draw the line at VAG driving - terrible cars), you shouldn't expect anything radical from me.
More seriously, London is allegedly the biggest Scottish city in the UK by population. The SNP has considered putting up candidates in London in the past.
In the definition not anything else
FFS,that's a Bap 😉
No its not.
The SNPs primary policy stance is an independent Scotland which would be bad economically for both the UK and for Scotland. I don't understand why anyone outside Scotland would vote for the that, the SNP don't think so either that's why they don't field any candidates.
The SNP's primary policy stance in not an independent Scotland. It is a fairer and more just society. They see the only way of achieving that in the long term is to become an independent nation.
Is it? Or is that they see an independent nation being fairer? A lot of perception there.
The SNP are sick of all policy being made in London and the South East, exclusively for the benefit of London and the South East.
They're certainly not alone there.
Them and the North Midlands binners