[Closed] Are you 1 in 5 or 20% of the population who would say no

Apparently children is the reason why (non gay) people should get married, according to some stupid woman in the audience.

Yeah heard the same argument on the radio today. Apparently Hetero marriage is "special" because it produces children. So we shouldn't allow same sex marriages.

Or presumably infertile people. Or people who already have children. Or old people. Or people who don't actually want kids.

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I have nothing against gay/ lesbian people,
I am not religious

I would attend either a civil partnership or a same sex marriage with no issue

..but for those that are religious the bible does say that marriage is between a man and a woman, so surely the religion should have the right to chose whether or not to allow marriage.

At the end of the day a civil partnership provides all the rights in the eyes of the law, so why try and change religious doctrine

I would go for sure !
I used to go clubbing with the rowdy gay folks when I lived in Newcastle
They know how to throw a do. 🙂

At the end of the day a civil partnership provides all the rights in the eyes of the law, so why try and change religious doctrine

Except that isn't happening. They are quite free to continue their bigotry.

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage. I got married to my wife in an entirely secular ceremony. Why shouldn't gay people be allowed the same right?

Would go no bother. Some people need to wake up to the 21st century. My brothers gay so potential for best man duties there as well if he asked. Which would be different, but wouldn't bother me in the slightest.

Me and Mrs TJ

..but for those that are religious the bible does say that marriage is between a man and a woman, so surely the religion should have the right to chose whether or not to allow marriage.

Marriage, in the UK, is a legal institution not a religious one. Should be open to all.

No jokes Pete, maybe in your world there's a lot of Christian Homosexuals but I don't know many of either let alone people who are both.

Perhaps it's the athiests (39% of the UK are apparently)who are saying no to a marriage ceremony held in a religious building.

I hate weddings and I'll usually take any excuse to get out of one but pretending to be a shitehawk is a step too far. So I am the 80%. But I'll still complain about the price at the bar.

I'd go to a friend's wedding gay or not.

How about this though. If your parents were anti-gay and your child was gay, would you try to convince your parents to go to their grandchild's wedding?

would you try to convince your parents to go to their grandchild's wedding?

Ok, how about if it were a straight wedding and you knew your mother didn't approve of your child's partner for one reason or another?

would you try to convince your parents to go to their grandchild's wedding?

Yes.

Because I'd hope they could put aside their ideology for one day for the happiness of a family member.

After all, I go to christenings etc.

I wouldn't say no, I'd go and probably have a bit of a riot, if any of the gay parties I've been to over the years are anything to go by.

However, I'd feel a bit bitter, my Mrs and I couldn't marry in a church, she catholic, me divorcee, we accepted it and got on with life, as things worked out she lost her faith eventually.

We also lived through the period when marriage meant less and less an at the end of the day who gave a damn wether you were married or not. So kind of fail to see why 'they' necessarily need the endorsement, given i assume that the civil partnership deal gives the same rights as we got at the registry office.

I see it as gay hubris, just wanting to rub the noses of the right or church goers in it, in much the same way as the lefties rubbed the right wings noses in the immigration and multicultural pc bullshit. Truth is, these days, other than the primitives, radical islamists etc, nobody gives a toss what your sexuality is, and personally i think it's pathetic that we constantly find we have to define ourselves by it.

That Question Time last night, in Brighton ffs having that debate, why? Are they deliberately trying to inflame opinion against it? Cameron? It was just political opportunism, was it necessary? I don't really think so, most of the gay folk I know just roll their eyes, and get on with life.

It's just bollox, who really even cares?

However, I'd feel a bit bitter, my Mrs and I couldn't marry in a church, she catholic, me divorcee, we accepted it and got on with life, as things worked out she lost her faith eventually.

Rather than bitter couldn't you be proud that society has moved on from such prejudice and is now much more accepting of all?

I would say that of the (100+) gay folk I've met, more than half have been church going Christians. You need to remember that it's almost impossible to be a choir boy and grow up Hetro.. 😈

Nope not a chance in hell I'd go to a gay wedding

footflaps - Member
However, I'd feel a bit bitter, my Mrs and I couldn't marry in a church, she catholic, me divorcee, we accepted it and got on with life, as things worked out she lost her faith eventually.
Rather than bitter couldn't you be proud that society has moved on from such prejudice and is now much more accepting of all?

Has it? It might have done for the gays, but has anything changed for straight folk? Could I marry my mrs in a catholic church with her in the white dress all young girls yearn for, if we presented ourselves today as we were thirty years ago? I doubt it.

Derek: you realise gay people can't marry in a Catholic Church either?

You act as if they are being granted more than you - rather than just asking for the same.

GrahamS - Member
Derek: you realise gay people can't marry in a Catholic Church either?

You act as if they are being granted more than you - rather than just asking for the same.

It's the trouble with pendulums, they swing from wrong to wrong.

It's the whole attention seeking thing, 'oh we're gay we're a special case' when in point of fact they're not

Surely the entire point is that they [b]don't[/b] want to be treated as a special case.

They don't want a special case "civil partnership" alternative to marriage. They just want the same marriage as anyone else.

Seems as if civilisation is safe on here, just a few disenters still in the closet then.

In fact let me qualify that, "It's not the gay way" that should read it's not the "Scene Gay way" there are hundreds of silent Gay majority as well, that just don't want the fuss, that get on with their lives lead normal existences just like the everybody else, but they're not Politicians looking for votes or publicity, in lots of ways this issue quietly in the leafy suburbs has been very detrimental to the harmony that had settled across the orientation divide, if the word divide even is the correct choice, it's not.

I think your own prejudices are showing Derek. The very non-scene quiet leafy suburb gay people I know are quite happy about it.

No one should ever have to be happy or just stay quiet about inequality, whether as a bystander or the affected.

This resistance to gay rights stuff is like "rights for coloured folks" all over again, it's absurd and has no place in society.

Peterfile, I agree, hopefully it won't be that long before the youngsters of today look back and wonder what all the fuss was about. Personally I would like to see the back of gay marriage and just have marriage.

I had my CP in 2006 with MrAdamW. Since there was no 'template' for gay marriage and it had to be done in a registry office we invited 13 people to the office then took them all out for dinner afterwards at a reet posh restaurant.

Apart from Me and MrAdamW only one other was gay (though one other was trans). The straight guests said it was the best wedding they had been to. It was full of fun, laughter and then a lot of playstation playing when they crashed at my house.

We're most probably going to convert to a marriage later on. Neither of us are religious. In fact I'm sure it is very similar to straight marriages. I just end up saying "Yes dear" a lot and doing what I'm told! 😀

As with the religious aspect I will admit I am somewhat confounded by the number of nonbelievers getting married in church. But the church doesn't seem to worry about that.

Having been to a same sex civil partnership ceremony, I'd say it was no different to all the civil marriages I've been to.

A lovely day with great friends and much beer.

Do whatever they like cos that's their choice. Nothing to do with me.

I was both the witness at a civil partnership and the official photographer. Longtime friends in my social group. It was a really lovely day. I feel very sad for people in the past who have truly loved and been condemned for it.

Ironically, the person who I have known to be the most hostile to gay and lesbian weddings (refusing to go, hostile at being invited) was a gay man. He was full of resentment he did not have a life partner, so was incredibly hostile to anyone who did. Rather sad and immature.

I think its important to remember that not all straight weddings are welcomed by family and friends. Sometimes the new partner is hated by the opposing family. My sister and I both had difficult times with dating and weddings as my family were hostile and nasty to anyone we dated. If I had married anyone my parents would never have come to my wedding. Both I and my sister are straight.

I think anyone who finds love and acceptance is lucky and I dont care what sex any of them are. Happy for them to adopt kids too. Any happy home is better than a straight miserable one.

heh! Why would someone change their mind because it's a same sex marriage? Bizarre. Anyone who would do this is a pathetic excise for a human being. Two people who love each other, getting married. What does it matter what gender they are? Madness.

I'd go.

Weve got gay friends, I treat them no different to any others. I hate prejudiced people, I quite gladly treat them differently.

Yeah project, anyone who disagrees with you is in the closet. You win the internet.

Hey Project, if you win the internet can I have all the good gay stuff?

Oh, and pictures of dogs, naturally.
And recipes.
And, err, all pictures of Matt Hunter and Chris Hemsworth. For research purposes, I hope you understand. 😀

Ta!

GrahamS - Member

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on marriage.

Of course it does, marriage is a religious constitution.
I'm just not sure why a gay couple would want to get married, and in doing so associate themselves with that bigotted regime.

*Very drunk and struggling to find the tight words, but just to clarify, this is a pro-gay, anti-religion rant.
Have I got away with that?

Of course I would attend a gay wedding. Other people have made the point already, but my first thought was anyone who is likely to refuse to attend one would be unlikely to be invited in the first place.

Of course it does, marriage is a religious constitution.

No, it's a [i]legal institution[/i].

That is why I, like many other straight people, was able to marry my wife in a lovely but entirely secular non-religious ceremony.

I don't think I'd go to a gay wedding because I wouldn't have nice enough clothes. 🙂

Does it mean that if you are gay and getting married, it's ok to only have food for 4/5ths of the guests, on the basis that 1/5th won't turn up?

Sounds like a good money saving tip to me

Can someone explain why people get married for reasons other than beliefs?

Doesn't a good will / solicitor sort any legal issues?

If gay people want to tie themselves together in the same way hetero couples do, and then spend a small fortune undoing it in the future, then good on 'em.

It does though, for me, smart a little or parity for the sake of it.

And I'm as camp as a row of pink tents and have swung in various directions in my time on this planet before I get called a homophobe

I went to a gay civil ceremony a couple of years ago. Although not technically a marriage, it was a great day out. Disco was great fun.

Going to one of the first later today. Looking forward to it.