194.9 for diesel at the Shell garage in Drum.
How do Esso guarantee the synergy supreme 99+ to be ethanol free when Bp, shell etc don’t?
From the Esso website
Although our pumps have E5 labels on them, our Synergy Supreme+ 99 is actually ethanol free (except, due to technical supply reasons, in Devon, Cornwall, North Wales, North England and Scotland)
Maybe down south the fuels come from specific refineries but a large part of the country just gets the generic fuel from the local refinery
£205.9/l for V-power unleaded in Bristol.
What the government needs to do is reduce vat on road fuel to 10%.
They were getting around 20p last year
At current pump prices they are getting 34p.
So halving the vat gets 17p
Yes, it will cost the treasury money, but if it encourages people to drive a wee bit more it kinda balaces out
Doesn't seem to be any change in South Wales, but then we've always had a pretty healthy amount of competition that has kept things pretty honest.
How much have petrol prices really gone up in th last 30 years in terms of real world affordability?
Genuine question.
While most people's wages haven't kept up with inflation over time for a long while the Minimum Wage has kind of tracked fuel prices. Back in '98/99 the Minimum Wage was £3.60 and a gallon of unleaded was roughly the same. Today the Minimum Wage is £9.50, again roughly the same as a gallon of unleaded. What has happened though is that we had a long period of relatively cheap fuel and wage stagnation for almost everyone else so that for real wages the price of a gallon of unleaded was basically flat (an hour I'd work equalled a gallon of fuel) but has now jumped far ahead of any wage increases.
That's my back of the napkin maths so it may be a bit out but the basic point is sound I think.
What the government needs to do is reduce vat on road fuel to 10%.
I don't think so that will just bump the oil companies bottom lines and delay a switch to a more sustainable transport strategy.
Today the Minimum Wage is £9.50, again roughly the same as a gallon of unleaded
How much are housing, energy and other costs of living now compared to then? How many miles are people obligated to drive based on the distribution of jobs?
but if it encourages people to drive a wee bit more
On the other hand current prices are encouraging some people to ditch the car for short journeys.
I'm not a fan of the fact that it's increasing the divide between rich and the poor, but short of means testing petrol I'm not entirely sure what to suggest.
No shortage of people rocketing up the M1 at 90+ yesterday so I guess it's not a huge problem just yet.
singletrackmind
Full MemberWhat the government needs to do is reduce vat on road fuel to 10%.
Basically ditch the vat and charge a fixed fuel duty so that it's price insensitive. But that'd stop them from pretending that 5p off duty is generous
@neilnevill - and FM
There isnt a straight forward answer to this - in some respects FM is correct, with the exception of the Add packs used by the majors. However - depending on where in the country you are, the base fuel can be different, especially in the South where there is a large mix of imports, Fawley material and Stanlow. Some of these grades are "reserved", but depends on what the marketing men want to do. I.e. in some parts of the South you can actually get ethanol free material, but not up north because it's likely they are using exchange agreements (i.e. they all buy material from a handful of sources).
The Grangemouth refinery clearly supplies predominantly Scotland, however it does barge out material, this "could end up in the UK still, it could also go of to another country, conversely some terminals also import.
The add packs are designed in conjunction with typical qualities used within the area, sometimes the dose rates might change if the quality changes sufficiently, or a different technology will be added to counter some undesirables -a mix of marketing and economics will always pull the levers on what product is used and where though.
Back to the point around fuel prices dropping – it is starting to happen in some areas, but the market is still so volatile. I do feel for the government (a bit) on this, the 5ppl duty cut was a knee jerk reaction for the voters, the problem is trying to police that it’s being passed on, clearly a lot of retailers took the p155 on this. VAT you’d argue is the easiest thing, the problem there, only the consumer benefits, logistics co’s etc don’t pay VAT on their fuel anyway – so they loose out.
Frankly, the major oils co’s could/should control the markets, there is still plenty of material around..
I paid 185.9/l for diesel at Costco today.
Unleaded was cheaper but I can't remember by how much.
This is compared to the 197/l I had to pay at Sainsbury's on Sunday for a
400 mile round trip to London.... Yay 😒
not sure if this has been covered but should the government set a price control like with water to prevent excessive price rises and profiteering
https://www.ofwat.gov.uk/households/your-water-company/profits/
£1.95.9 for dirty diesel at my local sainsburys on friday
196.9 at Tesco Basildon yesterday - down from 199.9 a week ago.
Gone up again here (IV12). Diesel dropped to 195, now back to 199.
not sure if this has been covered but should the government set a price control like with water to prevent excessive price rises and profiteering
So which companies do you think might be profiteering? The oil Producing companies, who operate in a global market and have no influence on the price as it is set by the market, the oil refiners who largely also work in a global market and can't set the price, or the retailers who really don't make that much profit at all? the only way that I can see for the government to act is by adjusting the duty on petrol and diesel.
the price of petrol is high for a variety of reasons, Not least the high oil dollar price price, the fall in thevalue of the pound wrt to the US dollar, and reduced refining capacity now that we (i.e. the west) aren't buying refined prduct from Russia. Private companies have no influence on any of these factors.
price in ambleside has dropped again, 189.9 for diesel and 179.9 for unleaded, cheapest in the area by about 5p a liter including the supermarkets in kendal.
don't know whats going on, very rare for anything to be cheaper in ambleside.
They seem to have settled and perhaps softened a bit near me. Branded Garages are still showing diesel at 199.9, they seem to be reluctant to break the £2 barrier. E10 is back to £1.85ish in ASDA.
I'm looking forward to the School Summer Hols starting soon, I'm going to try to mothball my Car 6 days a week.
What the good lord giveth etc.
This is the one that's going to **** people over, 55% increase on the already high fuel cap is going to be crushing. I feel very, very lucky to have fixed at 22% over the current cap when they were a glimmer of hope a few weeks back.
Heating oil down to 85ppl compared to 105ppl a few weeks ago; that’s a fairly substantial drop, percentage wise. I don’t understand why we aren’t seeing similar fluctuations in road fuel. If anything the higher tax component of the price should make changes more noticeable.
Are people seeing fuel price drops?
My Facebook is full of stories of petrol stations dropping prices however locally to me diesel is still 1.99. If I drive 20 miles away it’s 1.92 but still that isn’t great
Filled up yesterday morning and it was 191.9 for diesel.
When I went post in the red Denning it had dropped to 189.9.
That's neat Peterborough.
175 unleaded yesterday at tesco
Funny how thinking changes...as it was on the way up I was really unimpressed when it got to 1.70...however, now I'm seeing it has dropped to 1.75, I'm suddenly thinking that that is good news!
An Esso near where we’re staying dropped their diesel from £1.92 to £1.89 two days ago. They don’t put .9 on the end. New Milton, Hampshire.
Still £1.94.9 at Morrisons Evesham (the only garage I pass on my ride to work).
They don’t put .9 on the end.
The would get my business for that reason alone.
179.7 unleaded at Morrisons Bredbury (Stockport) - Reddish are 175. BP etc, don't make me laugh !
I filled up at Sainsburys two weeks ago, it was 198.9p a litre for diesel. Filled up yesterday and it has dropped to 189.9p a litre.
As DickBaton says, you good about a 9p price drop, but it’s still 50p a litre more than it was 6 months ago.
Still around the mid 80s in most of Manchester for unleaded. Local Shell is £1.85, local Tesco is £1.86, local Texaco is also £1.86. Oil seems to have settled at around $106 a barrel, so I'd maybe expect another slight drop and then it to hold for a bit.
Asda in Galashiels peaked at 1.99 for diesel, I topped up at 1.95 a fortnight ago, was 1.86 yesterday.
I didn't drive often anyway, a few long journeys rather than lots of little ones, but I've still found myself heading out in the rain on the bike recently where previously I might have wimped out and taken the van
£1.63 petrol, £1.79 diesel a couple of days ago in Abergavenny, trouble is they're blocking all the roads queueing for it. You can't win.
Is everybody using the Petrol Prices app?
I work about 20 miles away from where I live so when I fill up it's dead easy to check where the cheapest is and decide where I'm going to spend my money. Where I work it's currently 181p for petrol and 191 for diesel - a home it's 176p for petrol and 190 for diesel. You can report prices on there too to spread the karma or correct anything that's not right.
It's never worth driving miles out of your way but if you're going there anyway it's all good.
Some fuel prices don’t seem to be dropping.
Charging the car at home now is about double the price it was this time last year: £0.28/kWh compared with ~£0.15/kWh. Down in Cornwall last week I paid up to £0.57/kWh at some chargers.
Ha, the old electricity instead of petrol gambit! That's actually quite interesting for me - my new petrol / electric hybrid company car should have been here in Jan and have just heard that it's been cancelled so I now have the choice of a different less efficient hybrid or a full electric. So a 60kw car will cost me £16.80 to charge at home for 280 miles whereas my current diesel is £93 for 650 miles. That's 6p per mile vs 14.3p for the diesel. Or 12p per mile using an expensive public charger. Still better - and I realise that I won't be filling a leccy car from empty or getting the full mileage but, y'know for comparison it's interesting.
Just filled up the van @ £186.7 a litre for diesel. The garage is an indy and seems to be at war with one 2 miles away who's diesel was 186.9 a litre
£1.86 in Bangor today at a Texaco but bizarrely £1.90 at the nearby Tesco. Since when are supermarkets more expensive than filling stations?
Since when are supermarkets more expensive than filling stations?
Same here in rural North Yorkshire. Esso, 8 miles away in Harrogate are now usually cheaper than our robbing bastid Morrisons.
Morrisons have no competition here so they can rip the locals off.*
*Sorry, ‘capitalise on the market’.
1.70euro near Lens - France.
192.9p at Esso near me this morning
189.9 at Sainsbury's
If I use 300 Nectar points at Esso though, it knocks 5p a litre off so down to 187.9.
I heard somewhere that Asda and some other supermarket were beginning to really cut fuel prices to try and get more footfall in the stores.
There's one near us about 20p less than everywhere else which has just been gridlocking the area around it. Despite this, none of the other 2 garages in town show any reduction.
ASDA by work was 15.2p/L cheaper than Tesco at home this morning.
I’ve just filled up at my localish garage ( east yorks) with petrol, £169.9 a litre.
Couldn’t get near the place on the outward journey for cars queuing in the road.
Diesel was £189.9
I’ve seen it at £181.9 last night, at a BP going into Melksham on the A350. I’ll check my local Sainsbury’s on my way out tonight, to see what they’re selling at, and top up if they’re the same, ‘cos I’ve got a 250 mile round trip to Heathrow, then Salisbury and then back home tomorrow.
£195.9 in Ross today. 😭
Checked out Sainsburys on the way out to pick up my mate to go to the pub, and they’re 180.9, so I topped up ready for tomorrow.
The BP going into Melksham is 179.9, and Sainsburys in Melksham is 173.9! 😳
If they’re keeping their prices at that sort of level, I’ll happily drive through Melksham on my way home and fill up there - because they’re off the road through the town, there are no obvious signs showing their prices anywhere around, you have to drive across the roundabout and look towards their car park to see the prices.