Just seen the pricing, ouch.
Seems like a significant mark up on UK prices. I still quite fancy an iPhone 6 but the smaller version with the bigger memory will at least fit on some of my pockets, ha.
[b]Anybody know if Apple stores have dummy models so I can see how big they actually are, I like to pick it up and look at it in my hand first before buying??[/b]
[i]The iPhone 6 will be priced at £539, £619 and £699 respectively for the 16/64/128GB models. And no, that’s not a typo – there won’t be a 32GB model of the new iPhone 6.
The iPhone 6 Plus will set you back £619, £699 and up to £789 respectively for the 16/64/128GB models. Again, no 32GB option is available.
Both versions will be available for pre-order in gold, silver or space grey. A bevvy of operators will be selling the new devices, including Vodafone, EE and O2. Pre-orders of both iPhone models begin on Friday, September 12.
The UK pricing is a mark up on the iPhone US cost. Over in the US, the Plus model will set you back $299, $399 and up to $499 for 16/64/128GB versions respectively. The iPhone 6 will cost $199, $299 and $399 for the 16/64/128GB models respectively on two-year contracts in the US.[/i]
Pricing is in line with the usual if not a touch cheaper?
My 32gb 5 was 600, a 64gb 6 is 620.
Anyone buying a 16gb is daft, too small.
Those quotes above compared subsidised US prices against sim free uk...
Anyone buying a 16gb is daft, too small
A few years ago I would have agreed. With 4g and fibre broadband I keep nothing but apps on my phone.
Music I stream spotify
Video I use netflix or link to my network hard drive
Photos upload to drop box.
I have 8GB free on a 16gb phone
I'm running an xperia z2 currently but had every iPhone until the iPhone 5 which I hated and vowed never to go back. I'm really liking the look of the iPhone 6, the watch and the potential strava links. The question for me is whether they've sorted the battery. 2hrs on strava used a massive chunk of iPhone 5 battery, xperia z2 it uses basically nothing. I'm also a bit annoyed the camera is still pretty poor. Design is lovely though
Can't decide if the 5S is too small, or the 6+ too big.
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It's too big. HTH. One of the 5's killer features is its size; it's the one thing I'd change about my HTC One.
I'm really starting to dislike the "phablet" movement. It's all the disadvantages of a tablet with all the disadvantages of a phone in one convenient package. Convergence isn't always a good idea.
People are increasingly wanting large screens but small handsets. That's an impossible ideal, so anything attempting to do it is always going to be a compromise until we develop high quality screens that you can fold / roll / project / otherwise minimise when not in use.
I was intending to get the 4.7 32gb phone but see they don't do one, bit strange. I've managed fine with 16gb on the 4s but I'll probably go for 64GB at £619. My iPad is 64gb and it's rarely full. hopefully I can get some education discount via my daughter. I calculate I'll be much better off than with a locked in contract and have a phone I can sell for £300-400 anytime I wish.
The watch looks interesting but I don't think I'll be an early adopter of that.
The Apple-pay could be huge for them, I could see myself using that a lot.
The live feed was pretty buggy, I assume it was just swamped.
The live feed was pretty buggy, I assume it was just swamped.
If only they had known in advance it was going to be that popular....
*coughs*
Incidentally, if you go back to http://www.apple.com/live/ then the full presentation is now there.
All I really care about is.. will the iPhone 6 (the small one) fit inside my poncy Rapha Essentials Case ? (it's like a wallet, but you know, more poncy) 😀
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@jamie, yes I am sad enough to usually watch these things more than once ! I was using the ATV and it was quite annoying the stop/start/rewind nonsense.
BikeBouy I will be cutting out a piece of cardboard to see if the new 6 will fit inside the inner phone pockets I have in my suits/work trousers. Based on informal work so far the answer seems to be yes 😳
bikebouy, will be a tight squeeze, don't they just about accommodate a 5?
I've managed fine with 16gb on the 4s but I'll probably go for 64GB at £619
+1. I'll probably be panned for this but quadruple the storage for an extra £80 seems reasonable. I'v had to do the rounds through my phone a few times deleting pics and videos (some of which was garbage) so this will let me fill the phone with more garbage now. The single HDR shot will be nice. I'm assuming though that Apple will have no plans to up their icloud storage limit any time soon to accommodate all these folk buying 64Gb devices...
Anyone buying a 16gb is daft, too small.
No it's not.
Anyone not using the Fast data transfer for Streaming and cloud storage is daft 😉
I've got 100 or so apps on mine. (Including satnav with offline maps of the whole of Europe, and view ranger with tons of offline OS Maps)
Photos upload to photobucket automatically.
Music streamed (or downloaded in seconds from the cloud when needed)
Vides (the same as music)
Fast 4G and loads of wifi does away with the need for massive storage IMO
16GB phone, and it always has at least 6GB of free space.
Anyone not using the Fast data transfer for Streaming and cloud storage is daft
Which is great until you arrive in the middle of no where, or Scotland, and you have no access to anything because there's no 3G never mind 4G.
Fast 4G and loads of wifi
sadly 4G in Scotland is a rare thing. The office i'm sitting in at the moment has 2G coverage and no wifi (yet) #firstworldproblems
I agree in principle though, except offline usage will always need storage for music etc.
Which is great until you arrive in the middle of no where, or Scotland,
... or you happen to be on Vodafone.
BikeBouy I will be cutting out a piece of cardboard to see if the new 6 will fit inside the inner phone pockets I have in my suits/work trousers. Based on informal work so far the answer seems to be yes
Niioce, thanks for your scientific analysis, pleae continue with your important research and report back with all findings, fankUveryMuchly 😆
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bikebouy, will be a tight squeeze, don't they just about accommodate a 5?
Indeed it does, not a squeeze at all, in fact you could say it was designed around it.. Which I suspect it was.
I use my poncy case a lot, it's rather ace and I get all my gunk in there, don't really want to get anything else.
Anywhoo's I'm pretty sure Rapha had a word with the Designers from Apple a year or so ago with this very important situation in mind, dontchathink? 😆
Think I'll get a 5S in a couple of months when hopefully people will be flogging them off a bit cheaper - the new phone is too big for me really.
Which is great until you arrive in the middle of no where, or Scotland,
When I'm planning a trip to the middle of nowhere, or somewhere where I'll have to pay for data, I download what I'll need beforehand.
Recent 3 week trip to the alps, I downloaded around 80 albums worth of music and had room for a 1000 or so photos.
All deleted/uploaded when I got back.
I don't really get data blackspots where I live, but if I did need to think about that, I have plenty of space for a few dozen albums to keep me going if I needed to.
Fast 4G and loads of wifi does away with the need for massive storage IMO
I have fast unlimited 4G, lots of wifi, and get free data in several countries I go to regularly.
20Gb used 8gb free on my 32Gb. And that's after a recent music cull and I don't have much on there.
Even spotify streaming it keeps a largish cache, if you record any video that eats space, I've a couple gigs of offline maps, half a gig keynote, same pages, same in goodreader etc... it all adds up.
Higher res screens on the new 6 and 6+, combined with the continued existence of lower res screens on the 5S,5C and the fact apps are bundled one-size-fits-all means some apps might have 3 sets of art assets in them, for the three different screen res. Or at least two, for the two different DPI between those 3 sizes.
So anything with heavy art or custom GUI stuff might start to double/triple in app size...and these are the apps that take the most space already.
Someone might come along saying "but vector graphics!" whilst it's true that many of the original art sources will be vector, they're often rendered down to precise pixel sizes for the app deployment to improve performance at the user end.
16GB works fine for me too - I mostly stream music or listen to podcasts if I'm away from 3G/wifi. I have unlimited data and 3 data coverage/speed is pretty good in general IME.
People saying the camera is still poor - the camera in the 5S is great and any improvement on that will obviously be even better. 😕
Is it because the MP count hasn't gone up? Unless you're making really large prints or regularly doing extreme crops it's not really relevant. I guess it does give you more 'digital zoom'.
hmm.. still torn between a Z3 compact and a iphone6. cost isn't an issue but quite fancy the built in IP protection of the sony.
What is it with these big phones? I have an iPhone 5 but even that I find its too long, I much prefer the size of the 4.
I take it everyone sporting these giant phones has a manbag/handbag to carry them in?
I don't get it at all.
Maybe they'll launch an iPhone 6 Mini next year for people who have functioning eyesight and don't wear clown trousers?
@Gary the 5S and the standard 6 aren't that big, however I do not use a case/cover. I favour larger screen as 95% of the use of my phone is not for phone calls.
I take it everyone sporting these giant phones has a manbag/handbag to carry them in?
Pockets
As a long term Apple fanboy... I won't be buying either.
I've never watched one of those events before, though I have been a fully paid up Apple fanboi for a few years.
All that fawning, cheering and standing ovations when the watch was announced was just horrendous. Sickening sycophancy at it its very worst. I've been thinking of binning my iPhone for a while - I think that performance has just put the tin lid on it.
Besides, those watches have the potential to become as vulgar as a RR Evoque.
[i]Pockets[/i]
Do you wear combat trousers?
Do you wear combat trousers?
It's STW. We all wear khaki cargo pants.
What is it with these big phones? I have an iPhone 5 but even that I find its too long, I much prefer the size of the 4.I take it everyone sporting these giant phones has a manbag/handbag to carry them in?
I don't get it at all.
My 5" Xperia fits in the front pocket of all the trousers I own. No cargo pants. Not an issue.
I thought the apple fan boys were still sporting skinny jeans? Not sure how you fit a phablet in the pockets of them.
[i]My 5" Xperia fits in the front pocket of all the trousers I own. No cargo pants. Not an issue[/i]
Ah I notice you didn't say 'comfortably' 🙂
It's STW. We all wear khaki cargo pants.
Takes notes.....
Gary_M - Member
I thought the apple fan boys were still sporting skinny jeans? Not sure how you fit a phablet in the pockets of them.
iWotch 🙄
Rucksack 🙄
so you need a iSack to carry your iPhatblet then an iWatch to see whats on it because its in your rucksack. Makes sense iGuess 🙄
iWotch
Rucksack
iWatch + manbag surely!
[i]iWatch +[/i]
So they're doing an over sized version of the iWatch too?
It's a special edition for Flava Flav.
If you take a look around Town these days there are more iPsters sporting rucksacks than ManBags, must be an iMage thing or the fact that it frees up hand space for personal grooming solutions (comb, beard spray, RayBans etc..) 😆
My 5" Xperia fits in the front pocket of all the trousers I own.
Well you may have five inches spare at the crotch of your jeans, but I certainly don't 😉
Seriously though, even my 4S isn't always that comfortable when I'm sitting down in jeans. A massive phablet thing would just be a pain.
Gary_M - Member
What is it with these big phones? I have an iPhone 5 but even that I find its too long, I much prefer the size of the 4.I take it everyone sporting these giant phones has a manbag/handbag to carry them in?
I don't get it at all.
+1 pockets for my Xperia T, which is a 4.5" screen. Fits in my smart work trousers, fits in all my jeans (although I don't own any skinny jeans; slim fit is the limit with my manly cycling thighs) and other trousers with plenty of room for keys etc.
Yeah it takes up more space than a smaller phone (due to physics or something), but well worth the convenience of having a decent sized screen. I will admit to thinking that it was huge when i first got it and wondered whether it was a step in the wrong direction, but when I went back to my old phone (HTC Desire) it felt pokey and too small, even after only about 30 mins using the new one.
I do take it out of my pocket when in the car but I did that with my old Sony Ericssons too and they were tiny.
Done some cardboard mock ups here. Blimey the 6 Plus is quite big, a good inch and a half longer than my 4. Having said that it seems ok in jeans pockets, and it is a lot slimmer than my old 4 too which somehow makes it feel less bulky (and a lot lighter too.)
Anywhoo's I'm pretty sure Rapha had a word with the Designers from Apple a year or so ago with this very important situation in mind, dontchathink?
Bikebouy, the 6 Plus appears to be made to fit into the smaller middle pocket on a Rapha jersey 🙂 Also fits into pockets on a Gabba without a stretch. Though no way is it getting in any of the waterproof phone cases I've got.
Seriously though, even my 4S isn't always that comfortable when I'm sitting down in jeans. A massive phablet thing would just be a pain.
Not much of a problem as if I'm sitting down I'm usually dicking about on my phone anyway 😉
[i]the 6 Plus fits snugly into the smaller middle pocket on a Rapha jersey[/i]
Yes but a phone is supposed to fit in the zipped waterproof pocket, to be fair I struggle to squeeze the 5 into the zipped pocket on rapha jerseys. Rapha need to rethink their waterproof pocket size.
The waterproof pocket on a rapha jersey will just about fit an iPod shuffle! I don't think I've ever owned a phone small enough to fit in that pocket.
A 4s fitted in fine.
Hmm maybe a different size. Mines a long sleeved Country jersey and the waterproof pocket is tiny.
Edit... just been for a look and it's bigger than i thought! The smaller 6 will just about fit in there, though not as nicely as the 5.
it is a telling point about the demographic that the biggest point of concern seems to be if it will fit in your rapha jersey pocket.
i'm off to see if the apple store have started stocking rapha.
it is a telling point about the demographic that the biggest point of concern seems to be if it will fit in your rapha jersey pocket.
It's more about the demographic of this place, TBH.
Jesus wept nearly £1000 worth of kit on you if you have the phone and watch, just so you can work out your Heart Rate and see what b*llocks Michelle Cound has said on Twitter.
[i]it is a telling point about the demographic that the biggest point of concern seems to be if it will fit in your rapha jersey pocket.[/i]
Now there's a skewed statistic.
Done some cardboard mock ups here. Blimey the 6 Plus is quite big, a good inch and a half longer than my 4. Having said that it seems ok in jeans pockets
How thick and stiff is it? Erm, the cardboard that is.
jam bo - Member
it is a telling point about the demographic that the biggest point of concern seems to be if it will fit in your rapha jersey pocket.i'm off to see if the apple store have started stocking rapha.
Awe, C'mon iT's iMportant, ferchiSts sake!! i'M not alone here am i? Clearly not.. or folks wouldn't be making cardboard mockups..
i'Ll check iT out toniGht when i get home, i'M not keen on all this siZe upscale horsecrap, iT upsets me. 😳
Looks liKe i'Ll have to do a mock up too 😆
How thick and stiff is it? Erm, the cardboard that is.
Stiff. Several sheets of card to get the thickness right 🙂
Well you may have five inches spare at the crotch of your jeans, but I certainly don'tSeriously though, even my 4S isn't always that comfortable when I'm sitting down in jeans. A massive phablet thing would just be a pain.
Weird pockets you have - in the crotch of your jeans? 😯
In normal pockets it's perfectly comfortable, although I will admit there's no way to get it out of a jeans pocket if you sitting down.
Now more concerned about the blatant anti-left-handers-racism displayed by Apple, that stupid button/wheel thing on the side of the watch 🙁
Weird pockets you have - in the crotch of your jeans?
It's where he keeps his rolled up sock. 8)
left handers rejoice...
Also of note is that Apple Watch does support left-handed use. Apple didn't offer specifics, but it appears as if left-handed use will be supported via a setting. This was a concern because of the amount of interaction via "Digital Crown", the crown on the watch which is usually on the right of the face, making it difficult for left-handed users.
... like almost every other wris****ch since the Big Bang.
Also of note is that Apple Watch does support left-handed use. Apple didn't offer specifics, but it appears as if left-handed use will be supported via a setting. This was a concern because of the amount of interaction via "Digital Crown", the crown on the watch which is usually on the right of the face, making it difficult for left-handed users.
How are they going to do that? It's asymmetric, with the windy bit just above (on a left arm wrist) a button. Put it on the other arm and either you'll be reaching across the watch face to use the controls, or if you turn it upside down the strap will be wrong, and the controls the other way up...
... like almost every other wris****ch since the Big Bang.
Yeah, but with most watches the crown isn't an integral part of day-to-day operation, just something you need to adjust or wind up once a week.
Who let the LefiEs iN ❓
How are they going to do that?
By telling you it's fixed and any issue is yours not theirs.
The iPad wasn't the first tablet, in many respects it was evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Likewise with the Watch, this is going to develop further.
I admit I am a finance/"profit and loss" type person but the most significant announcement yesterday was ApplePay.
It was the first tablet that convinced "the masses" it was a good idea though, which is pretty significant! With this sort of thing it really doesn't matter who did it first; just who did it best. Same with the portable mp3 player, the smartphone, and (I have little doubt) the smart watch. If the other major players don't bring out something very similar very soon I'd also be pretty surprised.The iPad wasn't the first tablet, in many respects it was evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Likewise with the Watch, this is going to develop further.
If the other major players don't bring out something very similar very soon I'd also be pretty surprised.
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sorry, should've added "... that isn't shit and people have actually heard of/want to buy" 🙂
It's pretty obvious that the existing options have either been made by startups with limited resources or as minor projects from big manufacturers, whereas the Apple device has clearly been a major project for some time. I expect Samsung, Sony et al will be making these a bigger priority now.
Yeah, but with most watches the crown isn't an integral part of day-to-day operation, just something you need to adjust or wind up once a week.
Good point. Is it finger-scrollable (rather than requiring finger and thumb to twist)? That'd probably get round the problem.
I'm left handed, incidentally. I dodged this bullet back when I was still in short pants by simply wearing my watch on my left wrist. (I'm more concerned about damaging my engagement / forthcoming wedding ring TBH.)
@zilog agreed I was just trying to point out that every Apple product doesn't have to a first.
Hasn't it become accepted that Apple is just a refinement company?
@cougar - yes you can "roll" the crown with one ringer, at least that what I believed I saw in the video
So it's a non-issue anyway then.
I haven't seen the press release video thing, but what does Applepay do? Are there not already NFC payment solutions out there? I don't use anything that can do this (although my phone does have NFC) but I assume 'virtual wallets' do exist? Or not? Google Wallet rings a bell.
Is Applepay just using NFC to pay for stuff? Presumably it requires tie-in from banks and/or shops?
Basically. It's tied in with Passbook (their digital wallet) and I believe it will require TouchID (fingerprint recognition) on iPhone. They have plenty of banks/shops on board already in the US (it launches next month); no word on UK yet though.
Is Applepay just using NFC to pay for stuff? Presumably it requires tie-in from banks and/or shops?
This is what makes Apple so successful.
Google built an OS that can comunicate with an NFC chip. Android hardware manufacturers put NFC chips in all their phones. Whoop Whoop. They have a line on a spec sheet that helps them sell their phones.
But they forgot that people actually needed a way to use the thing.
For Apple putting the NFC chip in the phone was only a tiny piece of the puzzle. They've also developed a way use it. At launch Apple Pay will work with loads of banks, all the major credit cards and 220,000 retail stores (in the USA). So at launch a large slug of users will be able to buy the phone and then imediately pop to Target, Walgreens, McDs or Starbucks and pay with the thing.
Being apple they have done this in a walled garden kind of way that will piss some people off but the it's the fact that they have done it at all that makes things actually work. This means that both Android and iPhone users will have NFC chips in their phones but a much higher proportion of iPhone users will actually use them.
The same is true of apps. In theory Android offers so many more possibilities and freedoms to app developers but iPhone users actually buy and use a much higher number of apps because Apple put the extra effort into ensuring they are good.
In a sense it's nothing new (though it does have some good security features and the tinfoil hat brigade will like that Apple don't actually sees what you're buying, compared to say Google's system) as usual but again as usual, Apple have the clout to make it happen and that's what's key. Shops will actively want to have Apple Pay as an option. The interesting part is kind of what will eveyrone else do as I assume android won't play with Apply Pay (iPay?) so will there need to be multiple payment options, a little like Visa and Mastercard but maybe with non-compatible hardware...
Is Applepay just using NFC to pay for stuff? Presumably it requires tie-in from banks and/or shops?
This is what makes Apple so successful.Google built an OS that can comunicate with an NFC chip. Android hardware manufacturers put NFC chips in all their phones. Whoop Whoop. They have a line on a spec sheet that helps them sell their phones.
But they forgot that people actually needed a way to use the thing.
For Apple putting the NFC chip in the phone was only a tiny piece of the puzzle. They've also developed a way use it. At launch Apple Pay will work with loads of banks, all the major credit cards and 220,000 retail stores (in the USA). So at launch a large slug of users will be able to buy the phone and then imediately pop to Target, Walgreens, McDs or Starbucks and pay with the thing.
Google wallet is compatible with MasterCard pay pass system so is available in most of the stores you mentioned.
Isn't google wallet US only (for physical payments at least)
a little like Visa and Mastercard but maybe with non-compatible hardware...
NFC is the same as the contactless chip in your credit card. Lots of retailers already have the hardware.
Google wallet is compatible with MasterCard pay pass system so is available in most of the stores you mentioned.
Weird that more people don't use it then. If I had an adroid phone could I just download google wallet, input the details of my mastercard and start paying for things with my phone instead of my contactless master card?
It is. So will apple's new payment service at 1st. Hopefully google will roll it out to other territories now.
jfletch & nemesis - that's what I thought it might be. Apple having the clout to push something through and get people on board.
I have to say that I am not convinced it is massively useful in the UK at the moment (and perhaps the rest of Europe?). I have an NFC payment thing in my bank card, but rarely think to use it and then when I do think about it, the place doesn't have the readers to accept them anyway so I just use Chip & Pin.
But perhaps in a year or two it will become more widespread now Apple have jumped on board.
google wallet is US only at the moment, it does visa too but its been around for a few years
my nexus 4 sometimes makes an nfc noises when its next to my credit card though!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Wallet
@stumpy Apple Pay is more than just the Near Field part. Its also a way of encoding your credit card details securely into the special chip (including by pointing the camera at the card) and then paying for things on multiple websites/apps. Its a "total" payment system.
FWIW I have started using NFC payments where I can after barman in pub pointed out that it's more secure than chip/pin. I will definitely use it on my phone. Apple is very smart as for each payment they will get a fee from the card company and perhaps even from the app provider. Big $$$ potential.