[Closed] Apparently it's Heathrow

how long before Boris quits the cabinet,and starts lying under excavators?

Please let it be true....

I don't think there was ever any doubt that Heathrow would get the nod for this.

Hasn't Heathrow already had the nod for this about 3 times!?

I'm sure Boris has an alternative view that Heathrow is the best place for the expansion and shortly will point out that's what he thought all along.

Its an easily made but significantly flawed decision, which will materially affect about 2 million people every day.

Statement live from Grayling to confirm. Disgrace it's taken this long to decide.

FWIW they should approve runways / expansion at Gatwick, Birmingham, Manchester etc too. In the time it's taken to approved the Chinese have built / expanded close to 30 airports

I don't think there was ever any doubt that Heathrow would get the nod for this.

I believed Mr Cameron, my faith in politicians has taken away by this one incident 😐

Mr Cameron in 2009 said: “The third runway at Heathrow is not going ahead, no ifs, no buts.”

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Did someone say borris?

. In the time it's taken to approved the Chinese have built / expanded close to 30 airports

I expect a piece Boris wrote for the Telegraph, but didn't publish, proclaiming the multitudinous virtues of Heathrow expansion will be leaked shortly

I expect a piece Boris wrote for the Telegraph, but didn't publish, proclaiming the multitudinous virtues of Heathrow expansion will be leaked shortly

🙂

Its was pretty inevitable I think. Where ever they built it near London was going to be bad for somebody. It would actually have made more sense to announce both heathrow and Gatwick and split it but guess the money isn't there to do that.

I have no opinion either way whether its Heathrow or Gatwick, but am gastflabbered by the time it's take to gather information, manipulate it, ignore those who have a direct concern over it, those affected by it, those that will now derail and coerce, and add to another 10 years of pissing around whilst the UK gets stuffed during Brexit and Governments change and alter strategies 1m times.

Steaming pile of horse shit, the whole fiasco.

We need a live TV Broadcast of Boris under a diggers shovel. Obvz that'll be driven by an Immigrant to which Bozza will choke on his own vomit when he finds out.

Theresa May has made her own position very clear. I hope she takes a principled stand.

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Obvz that'll be driven by an Immigrant to which Bozza will choke on his own vomit when he finds out

Didnt we know this several years ago?

Better option than trying to build an island in the sea, relocating an RSPB heron reserve, and transport links to London that would be about 45 minutes rather than 20, but needing the fastest trains in Europe (faster than the St. Pancras - Ebbsfleet line is operated at).
Nothing to stop them building more runways at Gatwick too.

Nothing to stop them building more runways at Gatwick too.

Didnt we know this several years ago?

It's a hardy annual, it just keeps coming back year after year. AFAIK Parliament won't be voting on it until next year so until then it's just the usual puff. I liked Ben Goldacre's tweet on the subject:

[i]"If you're having more airport it has to be Heathrow, but I do feel sad for those who bought houses there before the airport, in 1946"[/i]

So, bi-election in south west London in 6 weeks then? Has the dog-whistler resigned his seat yet?
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I would like to see how much tax payers money has been blown with dithering over this for so many years?

i guess the decision comes now in a desperate hope of trying to keep Heathrow a hub for ongoing travel and London one of the European centres for business in the wake of brexit?

You know Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is American?

yes, but he's white, so counts as being British under Tory rules....

So the cost to the public of providing increased access to the extended airport will be the same as that of delivering Crossrail. This doesn't include the costs of building the new runway and terminals which will be paid for by passengers (apparently).

God we love to tit about at making decisions in this country. Personally think it's a stupid idea to build another runway in the south east. Activity and people need to be moving out of the south east not more into it.

Now we have to endure all the news of the legal challenge, public enquiry, environmental audits, etc, etc. I bet the diggers won't start work for another 10 years.

I bet the Queen isn't happy that more planes will be flying over Windsor. It would be bloody brilliant if she kiboshed the idea.

It wont happen again IMO.

A proper joined up transport policy would be brill including HS2, freight trains, airports, motorways etc.

I bet* Corbyn comes up with one soon and it'll be ace but roundly denounced by the media.

*Just a figure of speech, won't be betting with my money.

I bet Corbyn comes up with one soon and it'll be ace but roundly denounced by the media

There will probably be a 10 year consultation now about whether they sort out the M25 round the Heathrow junctions to deal with the extra traffic, or whether they just turn it into the car park it is at rush hour there now instead.

Zac the racist is announcing his resignation later

will be very unpopular in the constituencies of May and Johnson, tho safe Tory seats Im sure it wont matter

besides which years of legal battles will ensue, good day for lawyers

noise pollution around heathrow is already horrendous, used to live a few miles from the flight path and it was grim

This decision, whatever it decided, should have been made years ago.
I take some comfort that this government actually seems willing to make decisions on things which predecessors were happier to simply kick into the long grass for their own self interest.

Activity and people need to be moving out of the south east not more into it.

As if simply building an airport up north is going to change that.

The South East has been the place everything happens for at least three thousand years, a bit of infrastructure isn't going to change that. London's where it is for a reason.

The only way to change that is to have a multi-decade plan that forces people to spread out, and that would certainly harm the precarious economy. The Chinese don't have this problem because they are the major producer of cheap stuff and the government can do more or less what it likes because people will still want cheap stuff.

SNP spokesman(with a wry smile) on TV calling for a vote in parliament on the decision asap.SNP are supporting it apparently.Methinks they are playing politics-give the London cosmopolitan crowd a taste of their own medicine with Scotland dictating what goes on in the capital instead of vice versa and kicking up a sh*tstorm in the the process.I reckon this may bring this Tory government down if Brexit doesn't first.

So we've another multi-squillion pound, environment-trashing white elephant, that only big business consultants and corporate lawyers want, to go alongside HS2 (which still won't provide a direct link with Heathrow and 'there-be-dragons country north of Watford) and Hinkley Point.

Theresa does like her vanity projects, doesn't she?

I expect she'll leave the announcement of the new Royal Yacht for a few weeks

The South East has been the place everything happens for at least three thousand years

You missed the industrial revolution Molls. Unless I'm very much mistaken, and the view out of my window suggests I'm not, I think that generally went on a bit further north. Don't worry though. It was only a trifling matter that had no impact on the wider world

There will probably be a 10 year consultation now about whether they sort out the M25 round the Heathrow junctions to deal with the extra traffic,

Presumably also leading to about 5 years of congestion misery locally.

So when will it be built ? 2.5 years of consultations apparently

extra delays for legal challenges
then demolish the villages, at least 3-4 years to build

we'll be well out of the EU by then, we already have a large construction skills gap..... have to find some more immigrants then

at least 2 general elections between now and 2025 when it might be finished

Going to have to be a tunnel under the new runway isn't it?
Else it's quite a diversion.

Is now an appropriate time to bring up massive conveyor belts and 747's?

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SNP have done a deal with Heathrow.

Still only 3 hours on the train from Heathrow to the Northern Powerhouse, what's not to like?

Took me an hour to get from M25 to inside T5 HRW due to gridlock on slip road. I hope they have plans for the infrastructure!!

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Crackers, should be building new ones at [b]both[/b] Gatwick and Heathrow 🙂

Didnt we know this several years ago?

It's been the obvious decision for 15 years. Long overdue.

@Mike I usually drive to the Alps (much less environmentally sound than flying as a matter of fact). When I fly I usually go from Gatwick or Southampton (partly as I like flying in turbo-prop aircraft). When I was flying to NY once a month I went Virgin from Gatwick. As employers airline contract is with BA most business flights for past decade have been from Heathrow.

B r. .... That + 1

So why prattle on about China building airports? Bit easier with a dictatorship and a massively growing economy/slave labour

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...as a matter of fact...

it depends how many people are in the car...

(if it's more than one person, a car will use less fuel per passenger-journey, assuming approx 40mpg)

Because Greenpeace etc are out in force about environmental concerns. Pure NIMBY-ism. I do understand, I have many friends in Richmond who don't want more flights, they want the airport expansion NIMBY

I think it's ridiculous we close Northern Europe's coal mines and then just buy everything from China which is coal-fuel central.

the Northern coal mines weren't closed to reduce pollution...

@awhiles, I do normally drive down on my own and it's not just about fuel burnt is it, it's all the other stuff - emissions etc

We need more airport capacity.

Further more IMO the best way to boost regional development in the UK is airports NOT new high speed trains. Yes buy new rolling stock and maintain the tracks but don't spend £32bn to save 30+ mins London to Birmingham

I usually drive to the Alps (much less environmentally sound than flying as a matter of fact).

The environmental harm of flying is not due to high fuel consumption but the release of greenhouse gases at high altitude where they are vastly more harmful. Obviously there are environmental factors other than greenhouse gases - hence the absurd situation with diesel cars and tax rates.

An airport in the Midlands would have been a better place for expansion imho.

The Northern Powerhouse - my mistake they meant Manchester and Leeds the North East is the Northern s**t house apparently....

So new runway at Heathrow which will never be built as brexit destroys the economy and moves the ideal hub into mainland Europe so passenger numbers fall at Heathrow making it not needed.

Well it could be worse, it could be like building an airport in Berlin 😀

Should just re-brand Northolt as Heathrow C, job done.

I think it's disgusting the way the environmental issues have been fudged - offset the increased pollution from aircraft with cleaner cars when car manufacturers have been cheating the emissions tests!!

WTF???!!!

It'll be so held up & so over budget it'll make HS2 look like a good deal...

Reading http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37667371 it is a bit amusing reading all the complaints from people who moved to the village 20 or 30 years ago. "It'll be a plane-spotter's paradise. But the thing is, I'm not a plane-spotter." - I'm sure there were other villages you could have moved to in that case.

Further more IMO the best way to boost regional development in the UK is airports NOT new high speed trains. Yes buy new rolling stock and maintain the tracks but don't spend £32bn to save 30+ mins London to Birmingham

At the T5 public inquiry there was a completely clear statement, made under oath, that there would be no further expansion of Heathrow, which many people relied upon.

I'm sure there were other villages you could have moved to in that case.

What other villages would you suggest?

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No matter where I've lived in the UK Heathrow has been a pain to get to.

It's always been handy for me. And I suspect quite a few people.

Its extremely handy for me, but that doesn't mean that I'm keen on it being expanded. Particularly as the business case is so specious.
I'm beginning to think that the UK is increasingly going to end up like Edinburgh in the Quintilian Dalrymple books by Paul Johnson.

So here's the set-up. The United Kingdom (and much of Europe) has been torn apart by drugs wars in the early years of the twenty-first century. Gangs of criminals run wild in most areas, but Edinburgh is different. In the last election of 2003, the people vote in the Enlightenment Party, a small grouping of university professors that promises to get rid of crime. They succeed in doing so, forming themselves into a Council of City Guardians backed up by a powerful force of auxiliaries (policemen and bureaucrats) - their ideas came from Plato, that well-known thinker and proto-fascist. The ordinary citizens, as the bulk of the population is termed, benefit from guaranteed work, housing, welfare and lifelong education. They also attend a compulsory sex session every week. On the downside, the regime has banned cars, computers, smoking, television, private phones and popular music - and your partner in the weekly sex session is chosen for you by the authorities. Of course, things are not what they seem in this supposedly benevolent totalitarian system. Far from doing away with crime, the guardians have only pushed it underground. They are too busy looking after the tourists who come to Edinburgh for the year-round festival, the gambling, the licensed brothels and the marijuana clubs. And where there's sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, you can be sure that crime will raise its ugly head...

Good decision, should also also built one at Gatwick too and link both airports together via a super fast transit system.

[quote=wilburt ]No matter where I've lived in the UK Heathrow has been a pain to get to.

You should move to Harmondsworth

Good decision, should also also built one at Gatwick too and link both airports together via a super fast transit system.

Yup - if only the hyper loop was ready...

If they changed the rules on non-domicile status they would suddenly find a load of capacity because there won't be loads of flights in and out European tax havens

Gatwick will be built first. Other countries seem to have fewer problems delivering major infrastructure. We just seem to bodge and mend.

And I live in a village that sees 350 flights a day fly over at about 1500 feet. I rather like the planes, but don't think that a third runway is really the answer here. I think we need some form of balanced capacity, as a foggy day in Hounslow isn't going to be eased by an extra runway.

There was no way it was ever going to be Gatwick. Rich West Sussex land where Tory MPs have out of town property, influential millionaires, land owners, councillors and horsey folk who wouldn't like that extra bit of noise over their fields, but few if any have to lose their homes.

vs

"Poor" people living round the shithole that is Heathrow getting turfed out of their houses to build a runway where no one of importance will really be bothered, plus would welcome the convenience of Heathrow.

Obvious.

It may never actually get built, but for the next 20 years we'll be footing the bill in the 10s or 100s of £billions to plan, develop and the cost of fighting thousands of cases in court over the eviction plans. If they ever do start on it and it's the runway over the M25 job, then that's a decade of misery for the M25.

The M25 tunnel seems a daft idea. Given the M25 is already there, wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to put the new runway in a tunnel instead?

Shall i repeat it estimated £17Bn just for the public infrastructure...!

Also, they could change the nationality of current immigrants to that of the UK to fawn cheap labour "from out of the British skills pool" Save all the hassle of Brexiters sending em' home, to bring em' all back in again when

"die Führerin"

But the BenitoBrexiters will be ousted from Government 18mths into A50 negotiations, so who really GAS except the reams of civil servants and lawyers achingly waiting in eager anticipation of inflated invoices and scrubbed time sheet misinterpretations...

I fail to see why this runway hasn't been added to Stansted or Gatters or Manchester or Leeds with an intergrated transport system instead of the unwholesome abomination of service providers intent on providing "shareholder value" whilst simultaneously treating the general paying public like leaches.

Phew, I'm a bit worked up I am.. 😆

Shall i repeat it estimated £17Bn just for the public infrastructure...!

Yes but provided the UK Government is sensible (for once) and awards the major contracts to UK based contractors then that £17Bn will go to pay UK workers and UK companies who pay UK tax etc. Basically through one tax or another most will eventually end up back in the hands of HMRC.

Plus if we don't spend the £17Bn then Frankfurt or Ansterdam etc will and we'll end up loosing a lot of business!

I fail to see why this runway hasn't been added to Stansted or Gatters or Manchester or Leeds

Manchester already has it's second runway!

Given the M25 is already there, wouldn't it be cheaper and easier to put the new runway in a tunnel instead?

That would be freakin awesome.

"BA294 you are clear to land"
"Roger that.... whhoooooooAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!"

Shall i repeat it estimated £17Bn just for the public infrastructure...!

One would assume someone's looked into it enough to consider there's at least a reasonable chance they'll get their money back.

estimated £17Bn just for the public infrastructure...!

That's only a year's worth of money that we aren't now spending on the NHS.

£17bn

That makes the Forth Crossing an absolute bargain, especially as it is £145m less than the quote.

I bet Heathrow won't be under quote...

Just heard the news headlines on the radio.

"The government has given the go-ahead for a third runway at Heathrow. Demolition has started in the 'jungle' migrant camp in Calais."

How big's that 'kin runway going to be? 😯

That's not for the new runway and terminals. That's just to reroute the M25, new link into the M4 and probably and extension to HEx.

Shall i repeat it estimated £17Bn just for the public infrastructure...!

I thought that's what everyone wanted more government spending on these kind of projects as investment? Proper Keynesian policies.

On location whether Heathrow is okay to get to depends where you live, but for anyone to the West it is pretty darn easy, the M4, M3 and M40 all come in very close, and then there is the train from London out.

Gatwick on the other hand is awful to get to unless you live in London or Gatwick's surrounding area.

I bet Heathrow won't be under quote...

It will stand a much better chance now that a decision has been made if people are co-operative and respect the decision! If they don't then £Billions of public money will be wasted on endless consultations/legal battles/disruption that could perhaps much better be spent on education or NHS etc?