[Closed] anyone have a copy of the latest iDave?

Edukator - iirc he said perhaps you didn't understand the fat loss processes involved. I certainly have been eating more than 1000 calories a day....

Edukator - your sports results are an irrelevance. You may have performed better on a different diet for all we know. I've done stuff too. You won at motorsport, I advise a current F1 team on nutrition. You're lean and eat bread, I've coached Tour de France stage winners and yellow jersey holders.

iDave has a red list with no fruit, no grains, no potatoes, no rice, no bread that I consider unecessary/counter productive for the vast majority of people who are neither diabetic nor gluten allergic.

You're a geologist though. Unless I'm mistaken you haven't worked with either elite athletes to improve their performance or the clinically obese to lose weight. Why does what you 'consider' hold weight? I did geology a-level. I've been up mountains looking at rocks. I know what areas to advise people on, and rocks isn't one of them, despite my 'opinion' and 'experience'.

The insulin argument he presents does not hold up to experimentation.

Are you saying the world of biochemistry has got it wrong? That all foods elicit the same insulin response or that insulin has no role in body fat deposits? Which bits are wrong?

And ton hasn't lost weight? Did that experiment fail?

People secrete the insulin necessary.

Which people? Do all have the same response? Heard of insulin sensitivity?

iDave has never repsonded to me pointing out that his claim of losing 2kg of body fat per week means people have to burn over 2000 calories worth of body fat a day.

I haven't responded because you have already demonstrated that you don't understand the process of fat storage and fat loss. And fuel for exercise as it happens. You think that the human body is a simple closed 'oven' system and lacks feedback loops and an endocrine system. Calories in and calories out. Let me ask you something.

If three identical people got 2000 kcal per day, one from fat, one from protein and one from carbs, would they all remain at the same weight? If not why not?

Anyway, you carry on pissing on our chips and ignoring basic science, the experiences of people who have tried it and also the evidence regarding the role of insulin in fat storage and the different response of insulin to different food, because you can drive fast, do triathlons and know about rocks and on that basis are in a position to advise us all.

Edukator - In the first a week or 2 of a low carb diet it is easy to lose 2kg a week. This is due to a loss of water. Carbohydrate makes you retain unnecessary water and when you switch your body drops it.
Also as your metabolism changes you need water to breakdown the fat and protein that you are now using for fuel. You need to drink plenty of water but you don't hold it in your body the same way.

I lost 2kg a week for the first 4 weeks. I measured this and due to work I was not getting a load of exercise. Never felt hungry and ate as much meat, fish and veg as I wanted.

Low carb works, I feel fitter, by old injuries don't ache and I have stopped snoring. Carbs lead to inflammation, causing aches and causing some people to snore.

I don't know the details of the iDave diet but I totally agree with the principles behind a low carb diet.

pissing on our chips

Now I'm really confused 😀

iDave diet isn't low carb though Winston, it's low GI carb - plenty of carbs involved.

Edukator, my goal is to lose 5 stone in 1 year. i started on the 1st of march, so hopefully by next march i will be down to 18 stone......i dont think that is losing it too quickly.
and once i get to that weight, i will be going full primal, and introducing a bit of fruit back in my diet, but i will be dropping the beans.
have a good look on Marks Daily Apple, have a good read and see what you think.

Now I'm really confused

Simple really. You can only eat chips, if they have been pissed on.

...breakz down the carbz.

Well perhaps iDave could explain how people are going to lose 2kg of body fat a week without burning 2kg of body fat a week then. The preocess is simple, a body running a calorie deficit burns body fat.

The iDave idea is that by eating copious amounts of veg you feel full and by limiting carbs you don't get the post meal hunger the insulin curve lagging the sugar curve gives some people. Eat sensibly and that won't be a problem Sensibly includes fruit and bread IMO. Cutting out sucrose is common sense given it's link to type 2 dieabetes and colon cancer but cuttiing out low GI carbs is pointless.

I consider any diet that aims for one or two kgs per week rather than 500gm to one kg per month is likely to result in weigh yoyo/rebound in the long term, especially for people who aren't much overweight in the first place.

I did the iDave for a couple or 3 weeks before falling off that particular wagon

I lost around 5 lbs which was good but I had a continual bad taste in my mouth
I also missed bread and a pint of beer too much 🙂

Sounds like you entered ketosis, Jota.

Which shouldn't happen on the iDiet.

Edukator

edukate yourself......... we/you are never too late to learn.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/#axzz1s8gkTWxh

@ron jeremy- i use the Idave for keeping at a nice low weight and you've seen what a chubster I am so give it a go

iDave, you have mail.....

Edukator, you are Surf Matt and I claim my £5!!

Tazzy, does that me if I do iDiet, I'll look like you??

Hmm having second thoughts now!!!

I consider any diet that aims for one or two kgs per week rather than 500gm to one kg per month is likely to result in weigh yoyo/rebound in the long term, especially for people who aren't much overweight in the first place.

You're very good at telling us what you 'consider'.

What's your evidence that people who change to a low GI diet fail to maintain their weight loss? I mean evidence, not what you 'consider'.

Are you aware that low fat and calorie restrictive diets, of the type you seem to 'advise' are notorious for yoyo effects?

Just received my copy.

Thanks.

Tazzy, does that me if I do iDiet, I'll look like you??

second thoughts? you cheaky young pup, I'm pure lean muscle and sexy singlespeediness I'll have you know 😆

you cheaky young pup,

That's the sweetest thing anyone has said to me in a long time.......

(without me having to pay for it beforehand, I always pay for it after!)

Sorry to butt into the argument idave, what is the Idiet like for those looking to gain muscle whilst dropping fat?

Assuming you are doing the right resistance training, it works well. If you're 'older', 40+, you should have more protein post exercise to aid protein synthesis than is usually recommended.

Mega, thanks idave. I'm 35 but putting extra protein in anyway.

Sorry to butt into the argument idave, what is the Idiet like for those looking to gain muscle whilst dropping fat?

You would probably be better off sticking to a specialised product. May I recommend:

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I'm not going to get involved in posturing/bickering on t'internet.

My facts are, I have followed the iDave and lost a fair few Kgs. I am 5'10 and now weigh 74kg's. I've enjoyed the regime and honestly see me continuing it for ever.

I no longer enjoy the treat days; it just seems wrong.

I like the extra thought that goes into preparing every meal.

It can be hard, especially around lunch time, everyone else at work goes to bakery for a high carb sarnie and I am left wishing I ad prepared something the night before. I now make a very tasty 3 bean salad on a sunday that lasts me all week.

Thank you (again) iDave.

[url= http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/weight_loss_and_fad_diets?open ]The first Google result for your consideration, iDave.[/url]

Your diet plan pdf has the characteristics of a fad diet:

"It's easy to spot a fad diet

[i]Typically, a fad diet shares some, or all, of the following characteristics:

Promises a quick fix
Promotes 'magic' foods or combinations of foods
Implies that food can change body chemistry
Excludes or severely restricts food groups or nutrients, such as carbohydrates
Has rigid rules that focus on weight loss
Makes claims based on a single study or testimonials only[/i]."

Edukator - I thought the whole point of starting a fad diet was to get rich off it... not give it away for free to people on the internet.

Whatever people say about it... I reckon it offers enough food for a troll.

It's like Women's Weekly in here you set of sad bastards.

Thanks Jamie, I'm not quite that bad! Just put on a few lbs after stopping smoking a few months back. I hide it well because I've not got a small build but it's secretly pissing me off. I'm hoping a mixture of weights, muay Thai, boxing and circuits will put me on the road. Good news is I've got masses of energy after cutting out the fags.

I've just linked this:

[i]"With a balanced eating plan, it's what you leave in that makes all the difference. For a balanced eating plan to be successful, you need to:

Eat plenty of vegetables, legumes and fruits.
Include a variety of cereals (including breads, rice, pasta and noodles), preferably wholegrain.
Include lean meat, fish, poultry or alternatives.
Include milk, yoghurts, cheeses or alternatives.
Drink plenty of water.
Limit saturated fat and moderate total fat intake.
Choose reduced fat varieties of foods where possible.
Choose foods low in salt.
Limit your alcohol intake, if you choose to drink.
Consume only moderate amounts of sugars, and food and drinks containing added sugars. In particular, limit sugar-sweetened beverages."[/i]

and you acuse me of trolling, Yeti.

It's like Women's Weekly in here you set of sad bastards.

Which now includes yourself, now you have posted.

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

...personally, I am only in this thread to see if Edukator posts some pics with his top off again.

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Good news is I've got masses of energy after cutting out the fags.

When I quit the fags I binged drank for a few month. So energy gainz were minimal 8)

If three identical people got 2000 kcal per day, one from fat, one from protein and one from carbs, would they all remain at the same weight? If not why not?

I know that conversion of carbs and protein into fat for storage is very inefficient and that insulin plays a role in this but what's the answer?

Promises a quick fix

This is a change in eating, not a 'diet'. And it's not something you do then stop either.

Promotes 'magic' foods or combinations of foods

Where are the magic foods or 'combinations'?

Implies that food can change body chemistry

If you think it can't you're a bigger idiot than you've come across as to date

Excludes or severely restricts food groups or nutrients, such as carbohydrates

This does neither. Carbs are neither excluded or restricted.

Has rigid rules that focus on weight loss

As opposed to non-rigid rules, or should there be no rules to healthy eating?

Makes claims based on a single study or testimonials only.

Again, a fail.

Actually **** it, why don't you produce a diet sheet for your fans to follow - something that accounts for how we store fat, how we respond to the food we eat, the feedback mechanisms in the body, insulin sensitivity, fuel for endurance exercise, satiety, adherence levels etc. In future I'll direct half the requests for the iDave diet to you and we can compare and contrast success rates.

and you acuse me of trolling, Yeti.

Moi, a troll? How very dare you! Jamie - pass me that axe!

I dunno, Ben, but the one that only ate carbs wouldn't die of scurvey in a short period of time thus surving the study unkike the exclusive fat fat and protein eaters.

15 lbs gone in 5 weeks. the only thing i have out of a tin these days is mackerel fillets....
still cheating a bit on the beer though, fri and sat, but food wise, sticking to it 7 days a week and finding it much easier than the first week.

the one that only ate carbs wouldn't die of scurvey in a short period of time thus surving the study unkike the exclusive fat fat and protein eaters.

You say that but what about your Inuits living off seal blubber and fish for 9 months of the year?

So you too are down to insult too now, iDave. For an "idiot" I'm doing a remarkably good job of demonstrating that your diet is indeed a fad diet that will be counter-productive in the long term and that iDave dieters would do better to eat a healthy, balanced diet in moderation, including aspects of the mediterranean diet if they wish to avoid cardiovascular disease and the cancers studies show it protects from.

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15 lbs gone in 5 weeks.

Haircut ?

including aspects of the mediterranean diet if they wish to avoid cardiovascular disease and the cancers studies show it protects from.

including aspects of the mediterranean diet if they wish to avoid cardiovascular disease and the cancers studies show it protects from.

I thought there was a recent study that said that eating lots of fruit had little effect on cancer aviodance/redution. Pretty sure the Gov't aknowledged it but said carry on eating fruit anyway.

I'll keep eating it, no matter what. Because I like it.

The Inuits would die of scurvey if they only ate seal blubber and fish but they also eat whale skin, raw liver and things that do contain vitamin C but also contain both proteins and fats so your fat only or protein only study group can't eat them.

For an "idiot" I'm doing a remarkably good job of demonstrating that your diet is indeed a fad diet that will be counter-productive in the long term

This 'remarkably good job' is a figment of your imagination though based on what I've read. I've yet to see anyone support your view either backing up what you 'consider' or agreeing with your efforts at discrediting what I've proposed.

Did I miss all the posts agreeing with your view?

Shall we take a vote on it?

And can you post your nutrition plan for everyone to follow?

Did you read my last link, iDave? It backs up exactly the eating habits I've been suggesting throughout. The mediterranean diet I posted too. I'm the one presenting the mainstream view and you're the one with a red list that includes all fruit.

I've convinced the wife to give it a go; I'm iDave and so's my iWife. We're, ahem, rather different body shapes so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

We're, ahem, rather different body shapes so it'll be interesting to see what happens

Edukator,

I can see why you no longer teach....

And I'll tip my hat to you as I love the irony in your forum name!!!

Now run along and let the grown ups talk

Edukator - can you tell me what nutrients fruit supplies that are exclusive to fruit? Any vitamins or minerals that veg can't also provide? Heaven forbid of course that veg such as broccoli or peppers might provide more Vit C than most fruit.