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I can't be bothered to look for UK stats but in France 12% of women are raped during their life but only 15% report.
Sure there are cheating partners and some women choose a virile partner to father their children whilst married to Mr fat unattractive rich genetically impoverished hubby. Unwanted children born "sous x" are very often the result of rape. Lovers take precautions, rapists don't, or didn't before genetic testing.
I can’t be bothered to look for UK stats but in France 12% of women are raped during their life but only 15% report.
No doubt. Some of them hide it from their partners as well, forcing them to raise another mans child. That and also because enough cheat, private paternity tests were banned to preserve the French system of filiation - ie recognition of fathers in the eyes of society, not biology. AKA - "Keeping the peace".
Lovers take precautions
All of them?
forcing them to raise another mans child
Not possible in the real world, only a Petersonesque world. One of the nice things about DNA testing is that courts can demand paternity testing before making decisions.
You're doing a pretty good job of victim blaming here, Rene59.
And there's nothing to stop French people getting a genetic test the same way Brits do, abroad.
Not possible in the real world
Ok, you got me there. That was was wrong. Should have said "forcing them to provide for another mans child".
You’re doing a pretty good job of victim blaming here, Rene59.
I'm not blaming women for being raped. Try not to be so ridiculous.
“forcing them to provide for another mans child”.
Again not possible, thanks to this very technology.
I’m not blaming women for being raped. Try not to be so ridiculous.
No, you deny that being raped is a reasonable explication for children not having the same genes as their official father. Read back if you've forgotten where you are going in this thread. Try starting on the previous page.
Again not possible, thanks to this very technology.
There are men in prison (in USA at least, don't know about France) for this very thing.
Well if you could provide the quote where I denied that, I'm having trouble finding it.
my mum who is of Polish background did one and it came back saying you are 98% eastern european, it wasn't a very exciting result.
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Or that many more women were raped than denounced the culprits.
Ok sure.
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That's like me saying you are denying that some women cheat.
No because as I've posted this you would by lying:
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I can’t be bothered to look for UK stats but in France 12% of women are raped during their life but only 15% report.
Sure there are cheating partners and some women choose a virile partner to father their children whilst married to Mr fat unattractive rich genetically impoverished hubby. Unwanted children born “sous x” are very often the result of rape. Lovers take precautions, rapists don’t, or didn’t before genetic testing.
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I'm not lying, im' quoting you in context and the only way out is for you to make a statement to the effect you hadn't realised that when children find out their father is not the preson they thought he was that before accusing theri mother (or grandmother) of anything they should first consider whether they (like you) are victim blaming.
A women who went through a humiliating rape but decided the most socially expedient way of dealing with it was to say nothing, now goes through a second humiliation when the genetic tests point a finger.
I’m not lying, im’ quoting you in context and the only way out is for you to make a statement to the effect you hadn’t realised that when children find out their father is not the preson they thought he was that before accusing theri mother (or grandmother) of anything they should first consider whether they (like you) are victim blaming.
No, I was relating a story (not dissimilar to the one just above you) about people finding out their mothers or partners had cheated. In typical STW fashion where no criticism of a women's behaviour goes unchallenged, you posted about rape victims (I believe the term on here is whataboutery) to which I posted a short somewhat sarcastic ok sure reply. Now you're jumping to conclusions about how I never considered this could be the case. Well the original story wasn't about that was it? It was specifically about cheating partners. I suppose the BBC is victim blaming in their article also, or is that fake news, after all it's well kmown 'Lovers take precautions'.
A women who went through a humiliating rape but decided the most socially expedient way of dealing with it was to say nothing, now goes through a second humiliation when the genetic tests point a finger.
Doesn't make their partner any less of a victim though does it when they have been lied to?
The heritage element is gimmicky to get folk interested. Plus they struggled to get FDA approval to sell it on the basis of health.
Surprised at the data fear given 23andme was founded by the wife of some Google big bod.
Of more concern is that you discover faulty genre mutations that have serious consequences not just for the testee, but for the whole family. Back up and support from these companies is bordering on non-existent. Expect to see NHS genetic services overrun by people unsure what the results mean.
So for example, your mum has the gene giving high chance of pre-senile dementia, which is hereditary and currently untreatable. Which continent you herald from isn't quite as interesting. But you now might be able to start making care arrangements early...
Personally I'd rather ostrich.
Doesn’t make their partner any less of a victim though does it?
Oh FFS, if my partner had been raped & Id raised a child genetically not my own I'd
a) still love the child as much as ever
&
b) feel nothing but compassion for my partner
wtf would I feel like a victim?
And if you only knew her a couple of months before she got pregnant?
These tests are moderately accurate geneology test and as said before the identical twin experiments as previously described above (where they send their samples to different companies) have shown lack of accuracy of these tests.
Also the tests are moderately accurate for health reasons.
Finally almost all of these direct to consumer genetic tests are looking to sell the consumers genetic info to pharma companies - as 23andMe did last month.
I wouldn’t send my sample to one of these companies and I was offered to have my genome sequenced which I turned down for data security reasons too
And if you only knew her a couple of months before she got pregnant?
Your point, caller?
where they send their samples to different companies
Where they send them to the same company and get different results!
And if you only knew her a couple of months before she got pregnant?
There'd still be no way I'd be drawing equivalence between her being raped on the one hand & her not telling me about it on the other....
Back OT that twin case is most amusing, very poor job from 23&me who are supposedly the market leaders.
It's all down to how the data is analysed/interpreted.
It's a bit of fun & no more at the moment
More of a worry is the government running out of money for phase 2 of the 100,000 genomes project & creating a 2 tier health system by getting people to pay for their own screening.
Is it not the case that the ones that show your heritage would have to show it at a certain point in time, clearly on current thought) we all originated from Africa, then different groups spread out from there.
So if you took the worlds DNA history at 300,000 years ago, we would all be African.
If you take it the point 100,000 years ago, our DNA as a species would be more diverse etc
So it depends at what point in mankinds history they are making the cut-off point?
Probably not explained that very well....
Ideas OK but dates need work on, Scud:
Is it not the case that the ones that show your heritage would have to show it at a certain point in time,
That point is now, give or take 150 years or so. They just look in your DNA for chunks that are strongly correlated with certain geographical areas.
They just look in your DNA for chunks that are strongly correlated with certain geographical areas
Yes, and those geographical areas are very general and don't really link to our ideas of historical nations or races.
Somebody up above said they were told they had "Viking" DNA. Well Scandinavia was populated by the same DNA groups that populated Jutland, Saxony and Denmark. And those groups also populated England before the Vikings came. And the because people move around a lot it got all mixed up anyway. So most people with UK ancestry (even from Wales or Cornwall) have at least of some of this DNA, but its not because your ancestors wore horned helmets and came over here in longships waving battle axes.
Nope and DNA testing is a back door to data harvesting as has already been shown
There was an interesting "infinite monkey cage" podcast last year about big data mining and DNA, and how good it is in pushing forward medical science currently. It kind of opened my mind a little bit on the benefits that we could have allowing science to really study mass samples.
What we need is some very robust laws to protect peoples privacy and from the potential harms of commercializing such data, so people are not so afraid, and willing to allow their data to become part of advancing science.