[Closed] Any Archers in the House?

Yes I remember when Lars Andersens video made the rounds on Facebook etc, was hilarious to read the comments, see how worked up some people got because of it.

Yep, another fan of Lars Andersen... I particularly liked his rebuttal to all the negative comments. The guy is an amazing talent, completely bonkers, but a lovely bloke!

Lars Andersens

Is he the speed shooter? Apparently he's had the top joint on one of his string fingers removed to speed up his shooting.

He got so fast and then couldn't get any faster. So that was the next step!

Or so I was told at the weekend.

What???... How? Why? Who???

Not been able to find anything about him having his finger chopped, and I looked both in Danish and English.
Its nice to know that he only started when he was 40 🙂

This is how urban myths start! 😀

This is how urban myths start!

Hence the "or so I was told"!

Buy in fairness, we may have been talking about a different speed shooter. It was from a chap who did horse archery telling me about how it differed from "normal" archery and how a lot of these speed shooter techniques are what you use in horse archery.

Given the risks and the unknown outcome of nerve damage when you amputate something, I'm thinking it would be highly unlikely that someone who relies on dexterity would do such a thing!

Great urban myth though, when I hear it back again I'll know it came from your mate! 🙂

Since losing half my index finger on the string hand my shooting has improved quite a bit (see bugger thread)

According to coach something to do with triangles and banjo releases.

😀

I suppose it's like shooting 3-below but with only 2-below... Less string squeeze and no nock pinch...

I would imagine nocking the arrow would be a bit more fiddly though... Surely not something you'd do deliberately?!?

Despite my clumsiness, no, it's not something I'd recommend doing to improve your marksmanship!

Quite a bit less string pinch. No nock pinch, and no issue with nocking as I never used that finger.

Tiller can be adjusted to work with buggered geometry too

Have you had to go a bit lighter with your limbs? I reckon I'd get sore fingers if I lost the input of my strongest digit!

I've gone up recently from starter limbs of 33ish to Hoyt f7 36lbs and drawing about 40 (I'm 6'4")

I don't think I've ever met a barebow shooter who shoots pure "instinctive" as I understand the term.
Whenever a barebow shooter describes their technique to me, its either gap shooting, point of aim or mark on bow.

I think a lot is dependent on the Association and club, my club is only NFAS, there is no history of target, Archery GB, GNAS, EFAA etc. the coaches shoot instinctively so they teach that although they don't get all into the hype etc, Some in the club shoot compound with sights no-one is bothered.

Marks on the bow are specifically banned in the NFAS sightless categories

Instinctive shooting is all about good form, staring at the target and practice (and looking for arrows). My technique is, look at the target, select point of focus, draw, anchor, release, go look for my arrow. Of course there is an unconscious calculation going on but it's not as simple as people think as often even with poor execution (inconsistent back tension, poor anchor etc) a good hit on the target is achieved which indicates some compensation going on

there are some good archers out there who can shoot "instinctively" or "non reference", anyone who gets uptight about others style (as long as it is safe) needs to chill out.

Well that should be fine for 100yds outdoors, so you've got no worries there! Your release will probably be cleaner as well - less string friction... Hell, I might chop my finger off too! 😀

Great urban myth though, when I hear it back again I'll know it came from your mate!

Yeah, its a bit like last summer there was a story going round that a certain well known Welsh bowyer had lost two fingers in a band saw accident and had given up making bows.

Just before Christmas we went to a seminar he was organising. Standing around chatting you coulds see a few people subtly trying to check out his hands. However all ten digts were present and correct and he is still making bows.

My technique is, look at the target, select point of focus, draw, anchor, release, [b]go look for my arrow.[/b]

I can relate to this! 😀

My technique is, look at the target, select point of focus, draw, anchor, release, go look for my arrow.

My techniquie is more : draw, release, anchor, swear, go for a sherry.

I was purely talking about the odd ones out where I don't drop the arrow before I get to even draw the bow 🙂

Which reminds me I need to get these bloody nocks sorted that are slightly to big for my string.

Aim Small, Miss Small !

About 15 yards that shot.

The badger is standard foam with a slit cut in the middle. Currently using a dense blanket inbetween. But carpet would do. The foam essentially hold the arrow up.

38lb bow, 200fps 😉 well the last time it went the cronograph.

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I don't think I've ever met a barebow shooter who shoots pure "instinctive" as I understand the term.

I was an instinctive archer. If you'd asked me before drawing where I was going to be aiming, I wouldn't be able to tell you. Only at full draw sighting down the arrow could I co "yeah, about there."

Which reminds me I need to get these bloody nocks sorted that are slightly to big for my string.

That's what teeth are for. (Insert joke about Beiter nocks here.)

I will try go bite the buggers later 🙂
been using the hot water and pressing them together but they always seem to pop back out fairly quickly

I was watching a video of making horn-insert nocks on traditional arrows, linen whippings, the works... Got a hankering to make some even though I know they're be carp compared to some nice Bjorns...

I think I have an arrow fetish, I've got umpteen sets that I've made and never used!

I'm booked on a 1.5hr taster course in a couple of weeks.

I'm slightly concerned that it'll turn in to yet another hobby to become obsessed about and spend inordinate amounts of money on.

But Little John is buried in my local church, so all I'd really be doing is maintaining a tradition.

It needn't be that expensive.... I got going with a second hand Hoyt gold medallist - a 30-odd year old design that is still perfectly capable of winning tournaments. You could probably get a decent set-up, including arrows for a couple of hundred quid. Lots of people buy all the gear and then sell up, there are a couple of great second hand equipment sites on Facebook where you'll get loads of good advice and end up with so ring far more serviceable than the starter kits shops sell.

It's probably closest to golf in that it's a mind game. The equipment actually makes very little difference (assuming it's well set up), but it is nice to have pretty toys!

I'm slightly concerned that it'll turn in to yet another hobby to become obsessed about and spend inordinate amounts of money on.

Anecdotally, a tale my then-mentor told me of his experiences at a GNAS shoot: He turned up to find everyone with All The Gear, tricked out bows with sights and release aids and all manner of toys, and all wearing what looked like cricket whites. He'd rocked up in jeans, they looked at him like a tramp in Harrods.

They apparently have three minutes to shoot three arrows, and most of that time was spent coming to full draw, coming down again, fiddling with the bow settings, rinse and repeat. He shot three arrows in about 20 seconds and outshot the lot of them. I fear the last part there may be exaggeration, but the idea of a guy dressed for field archery going to a target shoot like that amuses me greatly.

You could probably get a decent set-up, including arrows for a couple of hundred quid.

It doesn't have to be expensive. As a random example,

http://www.quicksarchery.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=19_501&product_id=11

I wouldn't buy anything at all until advised by the club (and then the first thing I'd buy would be arrows, that way you're losing your own rather than someone else's). For a start, you'll need someone to help you how to work out whether you should be shooting left- or right-handed.

Cougar - Moderator
For a start, you'll need someone to help you how to work out whether you should be shooting left- or right-handed.

Or, left eyed or right eyed.

😉

(I'm sinister but shoot right handed).

I'm right handed, right eyed, shoot a right handed bow but shoot catapults t'other way round!

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They apparently have three minutes to shoot three arrows, and most of that time was spent coming to full draw, coming down again, fiddling with the bow settings, rinse and repeat. He shot three arrows in about 20 seconds and outshot the lot of them.

LOL. About as reliable as the apocryphal mountain biker, on a single speed, thrashing the keen roadies...

three minutes to shoot three arrows

"Six arrows in three minutes old chap, Six" 😉

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I could probably get 12 off in minute quite easily.

I'll try on Thursday.

Or, left eyed or right eyed.

(I'm sinister but shoot right handed).

Quite. I'm left-handed and left-eye dominant, but shoot right-handed as that was the only equipment available to me when I learned. I should probably have re-learned, but it's too late for me now I fear.

About as reliable as the apocryphal mountain biker, on a single speed, thrashing the keen roadies...

Probably. Like I said, it's a second-hand anecdote.

About as reliable as the apocryphal mountain biker, on a single speed, thrashing the keen roadies...

Yep, you get the same tribal mentality in archery... The Olympic Recurve Tribe are the equivalent of carbon-framed-Di2 roadies. Field and trad archers like to mock our long-rods, donkers and dampers, not to mention our rituals and rules, but they're missing the point: it's all just shooting arrows at a target.

I love the technology in Olympic archery - and I can appreciate the tech in compounds - in the same way that I love top-end road bikes and full suss mountain bikes. You get the same naysayers who disparagingly refer to modern equipment as "skill compensators", but in reality, as with bikes, they just allow you to do something different.

Anyway, I've just picked my new bow up from the post office... It's lovely! Looking forward to losing a few arrows soon!

how about getting some pictures on here of bows?
Will try find some of my longbow or take a new one later.

Yep, you get the same tribal mentality in archery... The Olympic Recurve Tribe are the equivalent of carbon-framed-Di2 roadies. Field and trad archers like to mock our long-rods, donkers and dampers, not to mention our rituals and rules, but they're missing the point: it's all just shooting arrows at a target.

I find that gentle banter goes down OK most times, you always want a compound on your peg so s/he can shoot first and give you a better aiming mark. If they miss you just gone on about thrashing themselves with brambles in the car park, if they blank a target offer a fiver for the bow....

how about getting some pictures on here of [s]bows?[/s][b] arrow rakes[/b]

far more useful 😉

Another archer here!

I got into shooting some 5 years ago, my son decided he wanted to shoot longbow so fearing the cost of longbows for a growing lad I (perhaps foolishly) said he could shoot them if we learned to make them.

I now have a house full of longbows, a shed full of tools and exotic woods and a son who shoot for the county.

It keeps me busy, at some point I should sell some of the bows...

Would love to see some of your longbows Harry, it's something I fancy doing... I've got some good straight ash bows tht I'd like to have a try with...

Here's the Ragim Black Bear that arrived this morning - only a cheapy to get me going and back to a decent poundage, but it's a lovely bit of kit!

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I was an instinctive archer. If you'd asked me before drawing where I was going to be aiming, I wouldn't be able to tell you. Only at full draw sighting down the arrow could I co "yeah, about there."

Yeah, I can see how it would work with NFAS type shooting when each shot is taken from a different place. I was thinking more of the people I know who shoot target and clout where you mght be shoting three or four dozen arrows at the same mark.

Mind you, I knew a few NFAS guys who shot in the "barebow" categories and were quite open about which part of their bow riser served for a mark at a particular distance.

my custom made longbow

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Very nice Mikkel, is it yew or laminated?

its laminated with 3 different type of wood

Mine's just a cheap job.

Hand-made my own arrows, mind.

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