[Closed] Anton Du Beke

enfit - you really have no clue do you.

A Scot, Paddy, Taffy, Jock, Brit or a Pom (if you're an Aussie) Oh an Aussie, a Yank the list goes on which are offensive and which are not.

I'm not offended if an Aussie calls me a Pom (Prisoner of Her Majesty) but it's pretty offensive if you think about it. More so than calling some one of ****stani origin a ****.

Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.

Why do you have to belong to a certain demographic in order to feel offended by a crass ill-judged remark?

TJ coming from a Englishman living in Scotland who thinks everyone is racist I can certainly understand your confusion.

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

[i]Anton's failed joke was in no way an insult, why doesn't intent have any bearing[/i]

You'd think that this sort of humour had "failed" sufficiently often since the 70s that people would have learnt.

Can you explain how telling a British woman of Moroccan and Indian heritage that she "looked like a ****" could succeed as a joke? The only way in which I can see it working well would be if the other person also thought that "looking like a ****" was a terrible and hilarious thing. But I may be wrong.

🙂

[i]Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.[/i]
What can't you say any more?

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

White, British, Middle Class... Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list.

Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.

Oh for god's sake. Please **** off somewhere else then.

White, British, Middle Class... Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list.

Oh wow it's all coming out now.

Why not try these forums intead:

http://www.stormfront.org/

[i]What can't you say any more? [/i]

Loads of things:

- Negroes cannot think for themselves
- homosexuality is fit only for penguins and hindus
- the indian races cannot be trusted
- I love laughing at picanninies
- algerians are a cruel people and look stupid.

Freedom of speech for the mouth-foamingly horrendous has been severely curtailed. 🙂

Freedom of speech. Not in this country any more.
What can't you say any more?

Well if you want to hold down a high profile job without the national media trying to hound you out of it try asking Terry Venibles, Jonathan Ross or Russell Brand...

It's political correctness gone mad.

You couldn't make it up.

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Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list

Have a look here. I don't see anything about background, class or ethnic origins.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/finding_a_place_to_live/council_waiting_lists/who_gets_priority

Well done though. You've clearly set your targets very high if you've got nothing better to do than get indignant about who gets a better council house. 🙄

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

I was asked to pay 50p for a "free" leaflet from the Nation Of Islam's float at the Notting Hill Carnival, does that count?

(I accept that I provoked the bow-tie wearing scum but I wanted to test their reaction to a honky feigning interest in their racist propoganda)

I was asked to pay 50p for a "free" leaflet from the Nation Of Islam's float at the Notting Hill Carnival, does that count?

I'm on the phone to Trevor Phillips right now. 😆

I have been disadvantaged by being a Englishman in Scotland working in a female dominatged profession.

Enfit - I don't think everyones racist - just like to point it out when it occurs and to point out the hypocrisy surrounding it. The casual racism on this forum is a poor reflection on the people in it.

Grumm - I have told you before - its "political correctness living with mental health issues"

I wondered how long it'd be before the Porch monkey stuff came up on here - Kevin Smith at his best!

So, why is it that people of African origin can't swim? 😛

Out of interest - where does "Anton du Beke" originate from? It doesn't sound a particulalry British name.
(I am embarassed to say it sounds kind of Belgian....)

"born Tony Beak" according to the oracle of Wikipedia.

Yeah those Belgiumums are a right bunch of racist peados.

Phew.....

That says it all though! C0CK

Tony Beak!?
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if I, a middle class white fellow, greet my friend, also a middle class white fellow, with "sup nigga?" to which he replies "sup coon!"

am i a racist
is he a racist?

im seated and prepped for "no, your just dicks"

i realise its a bit out of context, as its not what mr anton meant, but if i hear an uncooth youth being an orrible wizards sleve to a person of the asian persuasion, and calling them a ****, i think its quite funny, as the probability of them acutally being ****stani, is fairly low isnt it?

is "asian persuasion" racist?
they may well be asian, but they didnt choose to be, but then again, the porobably WOULD choose to be if they had the choice surely?
its not implying theres anything wrong with being from asia, massive continent that it is.
im so confused!
my head hurts 🙁

Olly, are you Nathan Barley?

If you could trace any african descent then you'd be free to use the term as you see fit and label any honkys using it as "racist scum". Whether or not the honky lived in an ethnically-enriched area and had picked it up as street slang is neither here nor there. I think that's how it's worked out. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. 😳

Don't you just love the term "ethnically-enriched" and how it implies something is lacking in areas that are mainly white. I remember an Asian woman on Wife-Swap referring to her new home as being in a "horribly-white" area. 😀

[i]if I, a middle class white fellow, greet my friend, also a middle class white fellow, with "sup nigga?"[/i]

I agree that this is probably not racist as such in that context. It's a problem, isn't it, because the word has a particularly strong taboo around it because of its place in the history of black slavery and oppression over centuries. Use of it in jest between white men is not so much racist as disrespectful and evidence of a lack of awareness and sensibility on the issue of racial abuse.

If you told someone that you "have a hang-over like the holocaust" you'd be in similar territory.

It is for the most confusing and it's very easy to tie oneself in knots over this stuff. But it remains pretty easy to avoid actually offending anyone.

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

sort of, in that, if you DONT fit into that box, you are guaranteed an interview with a number of organisations, the EA, the police, the council etc.... iirc.

Mr Agreeable - Member
Try getting your name on a the top of a Council House or Housing Association list
Have a look here. I don't see anything about background, class or ethnic origins.

http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/finding_a_place_to_live/council_waiting_lists/who_gets_priority

Well done though. You've clearly set your targets very high if you've got nothing better to do than get indignant about who gets a better council house.

Thanks Mr Agreeable for the motivational pep talk, however my sights are firmly set and I'm working towards to achieving my goals.

I am a home owner and fortunately never been in the position of needing state benefits or social housing, but I know people who have needed help from local authorities and been told in no uncertain terms that due to their background they will unlikely qualify for help. Others from ethnic backgrounds will be granted housing before them. The system isn't a first come first served, it's more fill a quota, tick box type allocation.

It's a rather patronising outlook to hold that people who need the help of the state all set their sights on achieving it. Sometimes marriage break-ups, redundancies, illness and other change of circumstances mean that life doesn't turn out so rosy for everyone.

mr agreeable yes i have as it happens i applied for the police when i left the forces and was knocked back as they were as they put it only recruiting ethnics at the time. i was told to reapply a year later so i did again i was told sorry still ethnics only weve not met targets . they told me to try the met but i gave up on it as a bad job as they clearly had issues ;-(

Use of it in jest between white men is not so much racist as disrespectful and evidence of a lack of awareness and sensibility on the issue of racial abuse.

not an argument against your point, just a development.

If you told someone that you "have a hang-over like the holocaust" you'd be in similar territory.

cpon - Member

........ but I know people who have needed help from local authorities and been told in no uncertain terms that due to their background they will unlikely qualify for help. Others from ethnic backgrounds will be granted housing before them. The system isn't a first come first served, it's more fill a quota, tick box type allocation.

That is 100% untrue " a mate of mine told me that............"

Rubbish - utter and complete drivel

Oh and has anyone on this forum ever been placed at a disadvantage in society because they were white, British or middle class?

I know of two white males who passed all entry tests for the Fire Service but were knocked back because they were already over the Honky quota.

cpon, people like local authorities will be very interested in applicants' ethnic backgrounds as they will have equal opportunities policies and need to show that they are sticking to these. However, that doesn't mean that they will make a decision based on this.

When I worked for a firm of solicitors that did legal aid, we used to ask many of our clients how [i]they [/i]would describe their ethnic background (Not "What ethnic group do you belong to?" - how would you know without a DNA test?). That made absolutely bugger all difference to whether they qualified for legal advice or not, which was strictly down to the numbers.

cpon - Member
........ but I know people who have needed help from local authorities and been told in no uncertain terms that due to their background they will unlikely qualify for help. Others from ethnic backgrounds will be granted housing before them. The system isn't a first come first served, it's more fill a quota, tick box type allocation.

That is 100% untrue " a mate of mine told me that............"

Rubbish - utter and complete drivel

There are many who wish it were.

cpon - the local authority would be breaking the law by doing that - what your friend will have got confused by is that collecting of ethnic data and the points system for getting housing.

You are simply wrong - this is a canard that gets hoisted again and again but has been extensively proven to be wrong.

The local authority would and could be prosecuted.

no, [i]this[/i] is a canard that gets hoisted again and again.
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our brigade also does three open days

1- white males and female
2- women (white or minority)
3- minority (men or women)

i know as fact from our hr dept. a few years back we had 300 spaces for the recruitment open day 92 ethinc males applied and got on the day. 107 women applied and as there were some spaces left from the minority day they were put on that as it was only fair. over 2800 white males applied 100 got on the open day .

very fair eh ?

Playing devil's advocate for a second (I agree that the fire brigade's policy is a bit silly here), if all of those 200-odd "minority" types apply together with the 100 white blokes, and that out of them the 100 caucasian blokes turn out to be best at wrangling hoses, rescuing kittens from trees and sliding down poles*, do you think they would still give the jobs to the minorities?

*This might not be obvious but I know naff all about firefighting.

I've seen science jobs posts mainly for university jobs(in Britain) that state you cant have lived in Britain for the last 5 years or something.

I think there trying to balance the teams but seems pretty racist to me. As the people likely to have lived in Britain for the last year are likely to be british people.

the figures were given to us on our equalites course by the asian lady taking us for it who thought it showed how good positive recruitment worked (discrimination in a fancy coat) .

currently they are not recruiting at all 'unless'

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however we welcome applications from women and people from black and minority ethnic groups, who are currently under-represented within our Service

Mick, again donning my devil's advocate hat, how is it bad to have more women and ethnic groups represented in the fire service? Is it all like "Backdraft" or do you actually need to communicate and interact with people face to face too?