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Not all Muslims some see/use dogs as status symbols. I call racist !!
Now I don’t even know what you’re talking about as you seem to be spouting random gibberish.
Maybe have a read up on the subject, eh? Before you go lobbing words like ‘racist’ around. You never know... you might actually learn something
Raising or keeping a dog inside the house is not allowed in Islam under any circumstances, and even prevents the Angels of Mercy from entering the house, and deducts a large amount of a Muslim's worship reward on every single day,
Dr Ali Mashael, Chief Mufti at the Department of Islamic Affairs
From this:
many do seem to be very precious about getting dirty when out in the countryside.
You take away this:
You mean it’s OK to have a dog jump up at me and wipe it’s muddy paws on my trousers because I’m not wearing a suit?
So how from what I wrote did you jump to its ok for dogs to jump up at people. I mean by all means debate what I write but don't have a go at me for something I clearly haven't written. That's not misinterpretation it's just plain making shit up. If I meant that I'd have said it.
Nope. My kids used to be terrified of dogs but now they want one. I think it's partly that they get to see neighbours and friends dogs who they have slowly warmed to. And partly due to the fact they're now taller than most dogs, I'd get pretty freaked out if I came across a dog that was as big as me.
It's a shame that some people don't seem to think it necessary to spend as much on training their dogs as they do buying them.
This relatively recent sea change in Muslim attitudes towards dogs explains the dominant view of the animal today. While of course opinions vary and the elite in many Muslim countries keep dogs as status symbols
Easy to copy anything off the internet and claim it as fact. Nope I’ll stick with you being racist !!
hate to get involved with this, but people of the muslim faith (better?) and dogs generally don't get on
https://www.animalsinislam.com/islam-animal-rights/dogs/
1. It is NOT haraam to own a dog, though it is not hygienic to keep a dog in the house.
2. It is NOT haraam to touch a dog or any other animal. If the saliva of a dog touches you or any part of your clothing, then it is required of you to wash the body part touched and the item of clothing touched by the dog’s mouth or snout.
or
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/aug/08/fear-of-dogs-muslims
or
https://www.muis.gov.sg/officeofthemufti/Irsyad/English-Advisory-on-Guide-Dogs
etc
Working dogs (hunting especially) are allowed. Anything else is not
At the risk of derailing the thread yet further, Can you actually explain to me why anything i’ve said is racist?
I know about the Islamic view on dogs from my Muslim next-door neighbour, Ahmed, who explained it to me as we had a guy on our road who had a massive Alsatian that he kept outside in the back yard and would bark it’s ****ing head off all night. He explained how it was forbidden to keep them in the house so it had to be outdoors in any weather. God (or Allah/Krishna ets... other gods are available... ) knows why he actually had it in the first place
So that makes me a racist, does it?
Could you just run me through why, exactly? Because I’m still a bit bemused as to why, other than your need to flaunt your sanctimonious virtue-signalling?
I mean by all means debate what I write but don’t have a go at me for something I clearly haven’t written.
OK. I imagine I was confused by the thread being about nuisance dogs.
It is considered dangerously out of control not only if it injures someone but it 'makes someone worried that it might injure them'. It is not the responsibility of members of the public to adapt to dogs being around. The responsibility lies 100% with the owner to ensure their dogs don't upset others. It's a shame not all dog owners realize this and the recent proliferation in ownership hasn't helped. Not a nice experience for your wife.
Minimon was ‘nipped’??? By two different dogs before his 4th birthday, it took me a lot of effort to get him to join me on walks in the countryside again.
I now carry a 4ft blackthorn staff when I take him out, ignorant dog owners get one warning.
FWIW, I thought both binners' post and plus-one's reply were tongue in cheek. Bins, love, read that again through your own filter perhaps?
I've written a number of replies just now and deleted them all.
If the argument is "she usually..." then it's not good enough. If it's "if he does then I apologise..." then it's not good enough. If you're walking your pooch out in public and you don't have 100% recall then put it on a lead and find somewhere away from people and other animals to train it until you do.
I went for a walk last week with a mate and his dog, some black retriever. We'd encounter another dog and he'd go "Monty. Here. Sit." And the hound would park itself next to his left leg whilst whatever oncoming walker / cyclist / other dog going batshit mental happened to go past.
Tpbiker's posts disturb me. Cross out "your dog" and replace it with "your child" and see how that scans. "One local lady after about 4 times of her child bounding up to my dog I had finally had enough and rather than pull my dog away I just let it bite the child" and several others. For all that I'm against pets invading humans' personal space this is just victim-blaming. If the dog is randomly biting things that come close to it then it either needs training, a muzzle, or a green syringe.
My mate had a staffie that he fed a vegetarian diet as he was veggie. Sweet jesus! It was like a four-legged chemical weapons programme. Its guffs were literally like mustard gas
You have no idea.
The same friend as above had a Giant Schnauzer named Wordsworth. North of 50 kilos' worth of dog.
Word's favourite food in the entire world was broccoli.
Under no circumstances ever was Word allowed to eat broccoli.
If word (small 'w') had have got out the USA would have weaponised him. Mustard gas had eff all on Word after broccoli.
Guessing the majority of folks moaning about dogs haven’t got any/ever owned one ?
It's very easy reading this thread to draw a Venn diagram of dog ownership.
Please have your dogs leave me alone > What have you got against dogs? > My dogs are well trained.
If you're in the first or third bracket there then you're a good person. If you're in the middle, you're gonna get caught in the swear filter.
Could you just run me through why, exactly?
To me the issue (only a small one) is that stating you are with "the muslims", "the catholics" and so on is generalising a whole group of people. Just because you are catholic doesn't mean you are 100% with and 100% do exactly what the catholic next door does and you know that.
I am not very good at training my dogs and even after 5 years they are still very reactive to other dogs (have even tried expert help). The fact they weigh 1.8kg makes this easy to manage though!
Everything else about them is great and they are good natured, love being handled, good with children etc,. But because of the reactive issue they are always on leads when out in public and I never let them jump up at anyone (although they can only reach your knee). If someone welcomes one, wants to stroke it then I will let them go towards then.
I also would let one run free amongst other dogs anyway but that is just because of the risk of damage from out of control other dogs with may be 20 times the size.
To me that is taken correct responsibility for my dogs. I still don't want other peoples dogs to run after me when cycling or jump up and me covering me in mud. That may be precious of me, especially if I am not even wearing a suit but at least I can't be accused of being a visitor to the countryside as I live right in the middle of it.
If you’re walking your pooch out in public and you don’t have 100% recall then put it on a lead and find somewhere away from people
Even the most highly trained dog can do unpredictable things on occasion, otherwise sheep dog trials would be really boring 😜. Police dogs sometimes bite police officers for example. Sometimes circumstance conspires against you. As an example a week or two ago my dog was trotting along off lead, two women with about 4 young kids coming the other way chatting in a group. One women see's dog and engages with dog, lots of cooing and high pitched talking etc. This women clearly wanted the dog to come over so my dog that will ignore strangers trotted over to say hello and was getting stroked etc. At this point one of the kids who I presume wasn't this womens started crying and was obviously scared, I called the dog back but she didn't come straight away as this women who was saying oh yes she's scared of dogs was still stroking the dog. I felt terrible and apologised and the dog moved away when I got a bit closer but by then it looked like this little girls walk had been ruined.
Just because you are catholic doesn’t mean you are 100% with and 100% do exactly what the catholic next door does and you know that.
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Even the most highly trained dog can do unpredictable things on occasion, otherwise sheep dog trials would be really boring 😜. Police dogs sometimes bite police officers for example. Sometimes circumstance conspires against you. As an example a week or two ago my dog was trotting along off lead, two women with about 4 young kids coming the other way chatting in a group. One women see’s dog and engages with dog, lots of cooing and high pitched talking etc. This women clearly wanted the dog to come over so my dog that will ignore strangers trotted over to say hello and was getting stroked etc. At this point one of the kids who I presume wasn’t this womens started crying and was obviously scared, I called the dog back but she didn’t come straight away as this women who was saying oh yes she’s scared of dogs was still stroking the dog. I felt terrible and apologised and the dog moved away when I got a bit closer but by then it looked like this little girls walk had been ruined.
TBH I do this as a diffusion tactic because my youngest daughter is terrified of pretty much all dogs, they wander towards us no matter what and it's easier to pet the thing (while it ignores call backs) and let her cower behind me that it is to separate some yapping furry **** from her while getting in an argument with a "dog person" about what constitutes "under control"... I've given up expecting dog owner's to be responsible.
I will endeavour to not pet and coo as distraction now as I can see how it's counterproductive, but honestly why does the entire rest of society have to also be trained in dealing with other people's dogs?
I will endeavour to not pet and coo as distraction now as I can see how it’s counterproductive,
I think that's a fair enough thing to do tbh, I do the same when over excited large dogs come running over to my old hound as she is quite nervous of bigger dogs. But in the case above my dog will ignore people she doesn't know but this women called her over. She wouldn't have gone near the child had this women not called her over.
I’ve given up expecting dog owner’s to be responsible.
Yep me too, I can only do my best with my dog.
but honestly why does the entire rest of society have to also be trained in dealing with other people’s dogs?
Primarily because many dogs are owned by idiots, but also because it's a life skill too strong, it helps you live an easier life if you know how to act around dogs or horses or cows or sheep
but honestly why does the entire rest of society have to also be trained in dealing with other people’s dogs?
Because the entire rest of society varies between people who actively want to kill your dog to people who want to pat and fuss over every random dog they meet.
And dog owners vary from the (rare cases of) very good with near perfect dogs to the (much more common) complete morons with zero interest in or control of their little shitting machine.
it helps you live an easier life if you know how to act around dogs or horses or cows or sheep
You do realise 99% of people will never come across a loose horse, a cow or a sheep don't you. Hardly a life skill.
All the farms round your way keep their cows, sheeps and horses on leads out in the feilds then?
You do realise 99% of people will never come across a loose horse, a cow or a sheep don’t you
Well I would disagree with your made up statistic but also add that a horse being ridden also needs some knowledge to be safely dealt with.
The fact that you live in the New Forest makes your assertion even more bizarre!! Can't move 10 feet without tripping over a pony or donkey down that way!
I can definitely appreciate the issues raised and discussed in this thread, but the following made me LOL!
You should just carry some fireworks with you. Dog owners love that shit.
The beer garden of our local was entitled dog owner meltdown yesterday evening. Every table had a dog. Every dog wanted to bark at, yap at, sniff, bite or lick every other dog, child, drinker. Perfectly normal around here in rural Suffolk, but this thread made me very conscious of the fact that they, the dogs and their owners, were completely dominating the space.
this thread made me very conscious of the fact that they, the dogs and their owners, were completely dominating the space.
No doubt after a year away the beer garden was still reassuringly filled with the scintillating non-stop chat of 'how old is he/she', 'what breed', 'yes he's very good natured', 'ours is a rescue dog', 'hes just saying hello', 'he won't bite' etc, repeat ad infinitum.
Every dog wanted to bark at, yap at, sniff, bite or lick every other dog, child, drinker.
You made this bit up didn't you.
The fact that you live in the New Forest makes your assertion even more bizarre!! Can’t move 10 feet without tripping over a pony or donkey down that way!
Yes, I sometimes have to move a cow or a horse just to get out of my drive but again, you do realize that the vast majority of people live in towns and cities and will never encounter a horse, cow or sheep in their lives.
All the farms round your way keep their cows, sheeps and horses on leads out in the feilds then?
See above post about the vast majority (let's say 99% for effect) don't go into fields and they don't have any fields anywhere near where they live. The vast majority of people could live quite happily without knowing what to do if they encounter a sheep or cow, hence not exactly a life skill.
Anyway, those dog owners eh, what a bunch of ****ers.
He was trying to illustrate that it was very common/the norm using a little hyperbole. But then you knew that didn't you.
Even the most highly trained dog can do unpredictable things on occasion,
True, but legislation (quoted earlier) makes it very clear what is required from dog owners.
The issue is owners not understanding that "under control" means under control, either by a lot of hard work and training or tight leads.
it helps you live an easier life if
youdogs know how to act arounddogspeople or horses or cows or sheep
He was trying to illustrate that it was very common/the norm
Again, made up. I would suggest that the 'very common/the norm' is dogs being well controlled by their owners.
He was trying to illustrate that it was very common/the norm using a little hyperbole. But then you knew that didn’t you.
I’d have expected more than a few tired clichés in defence of it though. Is disappoint.
On another note, the dogs in beer gardens thing is a bit of a pain. A simple rule of “your dog* is welcome but on a lead please, tied to your bench/table” would sort it in a jiffy.
*or child...delete as appropriate
vast majority of people live in towns and cities and will never encounter a horse, cow or sheep in their lives.
Pretty sure people in towns and cities are allowed out of them on occasion, just not this year.
You made this bit up didn’t you.
Nope, but I may have embellished it slightly! 😉
To be fair, there was a lab at the far end who was desperate to get involved and a whippet that sat there looking shit scared, both on leads. But no, to various degrees, the other four or five were not under control and were ****ing annoying!
Again, made up. I would suggest that the ‘very common/the norm’ is dogs being well controlled by their owners.
I don't know where you live, but that is certainly not the case around here.
I can't believe this thread is still going.
This thread reminds me of a recent incident that happened to my young daughter whilst walking our two dogs. 2 mini schnauzers. One is good off the lead, the other will run upto dogs to say hello regardless. He has been nipped a few times but he hasn't got a retaliation in him, he just looks confused they dont want to play. We try to avoid the situation by only letting him off the lead with no one else about but if a dog runs onto the field, he is going to say hello regardless.
Anyhow, she had the good one off the lead on the path at her heels and the other on the lead. The good one was sniffing a lamp post and having a pee. He was 100% oblivious to anyone nearby. My daughter told other dog to sit and waited beside him. All under control.
So why did the elderly gentleman walking with his grandson feel the need to aggressively lecture my daughter about having a dog off the lead. A dog that until he approached had no interest in him whatsoever. He continued to have zero interest in him even though he has quite a protective streak when it comes to my daughter. Thankfully my daughter had the presence of mind to point all of this out to him and ask why he felt the need to intimidate a young girl all by herself when there was zero need.
Guy walked off unable to respond.
There are just so many people with opinions on noise, fun, dogs, cats, cyclists, climbers, car drivers, house owners etc etc etc. All of them have a point and some of them just want their point to be louder than others. At the end of the day, my family are dog lovers. I am not going to change how i go about looking after them based on people like those who have commented on this thread. Dont like it, unlucky. Same as i would say to car drivers who hate cyclists. It isnt going to be sorted so you just fall into one of the 'boxes'. I am confident my dog wont hurt anyone. Im confident i am trying my best to limit issues, but i also understand it happens. In those circumstances if someone wants to kick my dog square in the nuts, i would say they deserved it. Same as i say when he puts his nose into a snappy dog and gets nipped.
Not only have we got dog haters to deal with, its now a minefield with dog owners who seem to have morphed their dogs into psuedo children and wont let them socialize at all and spend every minute of their walks avoiding all contact with other dogs. I will try my best but if my dog comes and says hi, i am not going to give too much thought about the traumatic event that happened back in '73 which left him with a nervous twitch. If they are agressive then muzzle it and let it work out its issues chasing my dogs, i dont mind.
Glad to see that beautiful pub on your doorstep is back open!
*Daughter loves the Cube, in a her words "a real proper cool looking mountainbike" so thanks again.
Ace, that’s fantastic news, glad she likes it. We are incredibly lucky to have two pubs in the village. Nice to see them both open again too.
I can’t believe this thread is still going.
😀 I can. It's like a cyclists thread on any other forum, all dogs cyclists are ** for several pages, various anecdotes involving red lights, road tax, insurance, draconian measures need to be enforced etc. The odd person will pipe up that not all cyclists are **.
Seems this place is no better, threads like this are very good for outing the weirdos though....
@TheLittlestHobo need a like button for your post 🙂
threads like this are very good for outing the weirdos though….
So true. Several late entries in my 'people I never wish to meet' list... 😂
it helps you live an easier life if you know how to act around dogs or horses or cows or sheep
Very different animals though. Out riding, when I approach a dog or horse I always slow down and make sure the owners know I'm there before passing. No horse has ever been aggressive towards me. One or two got a bit scared so I stop, and they settle down. Dogs however; I've lost count how many ended up chasing, barking, trying to bite etc. I don't dislike dogs at all. Just don't let them chase me or get close to me while barking its head off.