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@funkmasterp totally agree that the Dangerous Dogs act isn't fit for purpose and totally open to abuse. Heard so many stories about "pit bull like" dogs facing death because someone who doesn't have a clue has decided they look dodgy so that's that.
It might not be the law but the new countryside code says dogs should be "under control and in sight".
@branwell that is horrendous. 🙁
I think the standard response to ‘They won’t hurt you’ is ‘maybe not but I’m gonna hurt you if you don’t get your mutts away from me’.
I've often thought that a good response would be to run at the dog owner shouting and screaming and then pretend to punch them.
When they, rightly terrified, complain about this you can respond with, 'I was just playing around, I'd never have actually hurt you.' 🙂
Yeah but kids don’t tend to jump up or bite.
Give it a couple of years and some of their peers will be down the shelter at the park off their nuts on Dragon Soup setting fire to wheelie bins stolen from OAPs then get lifted for trying to kick in the window of a local cafe.
But even if it was on the lunge lead he would have been recalled back to me and not dancing around 10m away. did you decide to just choose the one point where I admitted an error in judgement?
Sorry for that, its just long leads piss me off, got wrapped up in one attached to a Rottweiler with my son who was about 7 at the time after the dog on the long lead chased mine. Another time a dog chasing mine on a long lead left a nasty cut on my leg. Another caused my dog to do a somersault after it blocked an entire path...and that's all before we get onto problems with them if riding a bike...I am sure when used appropriately they are fine.
It might not be the law but the new countryside code says dogs should be “under control and in sight”.
Does it also mention not riding bikes on footpaths?
In Scotland there is a further category – under close control which applies around livestock which is defined as on a lead or at heel. Breech this one and the farmer has the right to shoot the dog
Nope, it does not mention at heel.
Breech this one and the farmer has the right to shoot the dog
I'm fairly confident farmers can only shoot dogs that are actually chasing livestock.
I never put my dog on a lead around cattle, sometimes she sneaks right round the field edge to get past them, I've literally been stood chatting to the farmer when she does this and they haven't mentioned shooting her.
In Scotland there is a further category – under close control which applies around livestock which is defined as on a lead or at heel. Breech this one and the farmer has the right to shoot the dog
This is very poorly worded. A farmer does not 'have the right' to shoot a dog for not being at heel or on a lead.
Does it also mention not riding bikes on footpaths?
No. But when I do that I do it in a way that causes minimal nuisance to other people. Ie go early or late so it's quieter, be more careful as people won't be expecting bikes, don't go when it's wet and likely to churn up the path, slow down and be extra friendly if I do see walkers, etc.
Not just barrel towards them and skid to a stop stop at the last minute then tell them to lighten up if they aren't impressed. Or crash into them then tell them I've never done that before and it's so out of character for me. Or steal their lunch if they're having a picnic. Or run my muddy tyres down their leg and say 'I'm just being friendly'.
Sorry for that, its just long leads piss me off
Yep. Those and extendables - pain in the arse.
It might not be the law but the new countryside code says dogs should be “under control and in sight”.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-countryside-code/the-countryside-code-advice-for-countryside-visitors
/blockquote>So the guidance is don't be a dick or let your dog be a dick, common sense and general courtesy then.
It makes for depressing reading that page, people shouldn't need any of that explaining to them. I'm not talking about the dog specific bit, I mean all of it 🙁
It makes for depressing reading that page, people shouldn’t need any of that explaining to them. I’m not talking about the dog specific bit, I mean all of it
We've all got blind spots about our behaviour and how it affects others but it seems like dogs and their behaviour is a pretty common one.
I know a few people who are generally good, sensible, responsible individuals but total muppets about their dog's behaviour, it's impacts and how to deal with it.
Yep. Those and extendables – pain in the arse.
Used properly they are a safe way to let a dog that can be reactive habe a good wander and a sniff. I would never use one anywhere that it could impact a rider or pedestrian. When we were training recall a few years ago my wife got caught with it round her legs and she had them whipped out from under her. I got one
leg wrapped up once and ended up with lovely welts. We learnt from this
experience 😂
You will be glad to know we have our first extendable lead arriving tomorrow..........
Those and extendables – pain in the arse.
All they achieve is teaching your dog how to pull..
Give it a couple of years and some of their peers will be down the shelter at the park off their nuts on Dragon Soup setting fire to wheelie bins stolen from OAPs then get lifted for trying to kick in the window of a local cafe.
Imagine the fury in here if dogs did that 😱 and WTF is Dragon Soup? Sounds like meth from your description
Dragon Soup is a 20% alcohol drink sold in 500ml cans with child friendly designs/colour on them 🙁
Edit, bitvof a pointless rant
mrlebowski
Free MemberThose and extendables – pain in the arse.
All they achieve is teaching your dog how to pull..
Karelian Bear Dog....not pulling on an extendable. Quite happily walks to heel when instructed but allows him 10m explore and sniff range. Recalls fine unless he picks up a deer (or bear) scent hence an extendable.
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Dragon Soup is a 20% alcohol drink sold in 500ml cans with child friendly designs/colour on them
7.5% ABV, apparently, not 20, but wholeheartedly agree with you on the colours - it's alcoholic Monster.
Oh, for simpler times...
Dragon Soup is a 20% alcohol drink
7.5% ABV, apparently, not 20
Singletrack poster in over exaggeration shocker. Who would have imagined that?
Singletrack poster in over exaggeration shocker. Who would have imagined that?
Aye 7.5% is plenty to send kids banzai ! 20% would be good and make them sleep 😉
Singletrack poster in over exaggeration shocker. Who would have imagined that?
Everyone ever. It’s law in Scotland and if you don’t follow it a farmer can legally shoot you.
Actually, they have a 15% drink
https://www.goldenacrewines.co.uk/product/dragon-soop-wild-dark-fruits-esq/
Just read the description for that Dragon Soop ESQ. Sounds terrible and seems to be the new alcopop for today’s yoof. No worse than what I drunk in my teens (Mad Dog 20/20, Barley Wine etc) and I don’t recall stealing pensioners bins and setting fire to bus shelters.
From ‘bloody uncontrollable dogs’ to ‘bloody kids’ in the same thread. Bravo STW, this is like being in somebody’s bitter grandads head!
Think less mad dog, more buckfast. I have it on good authority the caffeine mix is lethal.
No worse than what I drunk in my teens (Mad Dog 20/20, Barley Wine etc) and I don’t recall stealing pensioners bins and setting fire to bus shelters.
You didn't and nor did I but quite a few people did. Some ended up in fights others ended up all relaxed.
People, like dogs, are all different. Some see nothing wrong with their dogs behaviour, others hate it.
As an autistic person I can't deal with all sorts of things that 'normal' people don't even notice but we just have to get on with it and accept we are not all the same don't we.
it is also a vampire law so that explains why the government has never had to put it into UK law
Bloody unelected mythical creatures telling us what we can and can't do. Take back countrol !
Yeah, before they bleed us dry! Drexit
fully expect one of the mods to shut this down shortly.
He's an utter count, the one I mean 😉
It has become a rather high stakes thread.
Well vampires definitely don't like dogs/wolves unless What we do in the shadows was not based on reality?
What about dog soldiers?
What about dog soldiers?
What's your problem? He's only being friendly.
You can tell that’s in Scotland as the army are shooting it as it’s not at heel.
He’s an utter count, the one I mean
Not a fang?
What about dog soldiers?
We are going to need a bigger lead!
People, like dogs, are all different. Some see nothing wrong with their dogs behaviour, others hate it.
As an autistic person I can’t deal with all sorts of things that ‘normal’ people don’t even notice but we just have to get on with it and accept we are not all the same don’t we.
Have a plus one from me!
Is it just me or is a good part of this problem is that there are just too many dogs? Should the sale of dogs be restricted in some way? I regularly see people with 3,4 or even 5 dogs. What about a licence system? I freely admit to not being a dog fan, but I don't actively dislike them (we had them at home when I was a kid). I'm just a wee bit fed up of dog filth everywhere and dogs chasing me when I'm running or cycling. Not too unreasonable?
Jesus H Corbett, what a thread. It's a week old and it's taken me a week to read it.
Here's the answer: HUMANS TRUMP DOGS. That's it, end of thread.
"He won't bite / he's just being friendly / 99 percent of something I've just made up / people running around making them excitable / cross out dogs and put children / whatever the hell else narrative" - it's all irrelevant. Bottom line is that two legs > four legs.
It's not about a fear of being bitten and it's blinkered for owners and apologists to focus on that. Hell, it's a straw man to focus on risk bites, a few folk might but most people don't think that they're about to get savaged by every pet that passes them by. Rather, people have a right to go about their day without being harassed by someone else's hound no matter how cute they are.* Phobias aside they might simply not want slobber on their arms, muddy paws on their pants or just not like dogs. And that takes priority over your precious pooch.
(* or the dog)
I'll back that up with a couple of anecdotes.
I like dogs. I wouldn't want the responsibility of owning one because they're too needy, I'm struggling right now with kittens. But if I had say a partner with a dog who took full responsibility for it then I'd be good with that.
In the last week I've been for a walk with two dog owners and their dogs. The first was on Friday with my mate Leaon and Monty who is 40-50kgs worth of Black Labrador. Monty hangs on Leaon's every word. We encounter people or other dogs, some of whom are riving on the end of a lead going batshit, Leaon quietly goes "sit" and Monty's arse hits the ground so fast and hard that it leaves a dent. Monty is awesome. We brought them into our back yard for a socially distanced cup of tea afterwards (and a bowl of water for Monty), the indoor cats overreacted in a panic but the dog barely blinked because Leaon told him not to.
This afternoon I went out with my partner, her sister and the sister's dog "Prince Rory". Prince Rory is one of these handbag-sized dogs, I dunno, some sort of Jack Russell cross maybe? And it's a little prick, I despise it. Walking down a bridleway, people coming the other way going "oh, isn't he cute?" The sister goes "he's not very friendly," they go "oh" and step back but it's too late because Prince Rory is suddenly giving it BARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARKBARK at them. Off lead.
The sister is a professional dog groomer.
Back in the house afterwards Prince Rory went for our cat. I love animals, I like dogs, but I'd cheerfully put Prince Rory into low Earth orbit propelled by a size eight.
If you're out in public with a dog, you need reliable recall or a lead. It really is that simple. Pick one, there is no option three here unless you're a bellend. People > dogs and it's the square root of **** all to do with "he's never bitten anyone before".
Sensible dog owners get annoyed at being tarred with the same brush as the idiots, but don’t see why they should have to modify what they do because of it. Non-dog people want everything done the way they say and won’t compromise
Sensible dog owners don't need to modify their behaviour, because they're sensible. If they're being asked to modify their behaviour then they aren't sensible dog owners. QED.
Non-dog owners, in the context of this post at least, generally just want to be left in peace to enjoy their walk. This really shouldn't be an outlandish request. Where's the compromise you're proposing here, "oh, it's OK, he'll only get you slightly covered in the sheep shit he's just been eating"? I might like dogs, I might not like dogs, but the call to choose to accept interaction with one is mine and not yours or the dog's.
At the risk of repeating myself, people > animals.
Sensible dog owners don’t need to modify their behaviour, because they’re sensible. If they’re being asked to modify their behaviour then they aren’t sensible dog owners. QED.
It's a bit like driving though isn't it? Not many people self identify as shit drivers and not many people will self identify as irresponsible dog owners.
It’s a bit like driving though isn’t it? Not many people self identify as shit drivers and not many people will self identify as irresponsible dog owners.
It’s a bit like all drivers labelling every cyclist as a nuisance who shouldn’t be on the road.
It’s a bit like all drivers labelling every cyclist as a nuisance who shouldn’t be on the road.
It's exactly like that, has this place suddenly turned into the daily wail?
There's a tiny number of people reading this forum, a smaller number reading this thread, a smaller number who own dogs, and the vast majority of those will be responsible anyway. So for all the whinging and pompous declarations of "I will not let your dog inflict it's behaviour on me" I doubt even a single dog owner reading any of this crap will modify their behaviour, either because they don't have to or they don't recognise a problem.
Still at least it gives the bored middle aged an outlet to vent their spleens.
Suddenly?! 😀
I sometimes have to double check I'm not in the daily mail readers comments section