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Posted by: piemonster

Posted by: tjagain

housing and transport is already devolved.   as is much of energy

 

Tbh TJ. You're repeatedly making a point that Burnham is lazy based on an article you stated you was unable to read that itself doesn't state that Burnham doesn't know these things.

 

 

 

No - I am saying he does not understand the relationship between Holyrood and Westminster.  Its not the same as with the Mancheaster mayor and that he does seem to realise that water and rail are in public control in Scotland

 

edit - see my post on previous page as well.  

 


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 12:05 pm
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I am saying he does not understand the relationship between Holyrood and Westminster.

 

Yeah we get It TJ. No one can understand Scotland, it’s just too complicated and beyond our primitive English intellects.


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 12:22 pm
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Posted by: dazh

beyond our primitive English intellects.

Amply evidenced by our need to read articles before forming an opinion of their contents.


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 12:24 pm
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Posted by: tjagain

1) - again this is already devolved powers

2) the relationship between the councils and Holyrood is devolved.  Is Burnham really going to try to override Holyrood?

No, he's going to encourage "Metro Mayors", something that Glasgow has wanted for a few years. This is what the SNP Government is afraid of.

It's something that Susan Aitken (SNP Glasgow council leader and regional chair) would welcome

Andrew Carter, chief executive of Centre for Cities, said the First Minister should “look again” at creating a directly elected mayor for Glasgow City Region, arguing the model could help deliver and lead to improvements to major projects such as the Clyde Metro and the Clyde Tunnel.


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 12:25 pm
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Moving the goal posts much?  Encourage metro mayors?  Nowt to do with what he claimed in that article!

Again I ask you - how is he going to ensure more council houses are built in Scotland?  

As for metro mayors - once again this is not something that is in his power to do.

What is so hard to understand about this?  He is saying he is going to do in Scotland things that have already been done ( public control of water and rail)   Or things he will not have the power to do ( build more council houses)

Can you please explain to me how that is possible?  What mechanism is he going to use?

 

 


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:13 pm
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Posted by: piemonster

For Scotland, that means energy, housing and transport. It means taking the cost of bills, rents and buses seriously. It means making sure people are not left overpaying for the basics while their wages stand still and their communities are asked to accept less.

 

so how is he going to do this?   Please explain how is is going to change devolved matters?


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:16 pm
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Posted by: tjagain

What is so hard to understand about this? 

It isn't difficult to understand, not even for the English.

It's only you that thinks that he'll need powers to achieve change. Comprise, isn't that how politics works?

There's no point us discussing it, that's for him, the various councils and Hollyrood to discuss. 


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:30 pm
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He's going to use the cover of the great Tunnocks teacake crisis to declare Martial Law, remove the rights of all Scots under emergency legislation, burn Holyrood to the ground and rule over you like a medieval monarch over a fiefdom.

Don't be fooled by the affable northern bloke routine, its just a cover for his tyrannical intent towards those north of the border


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:31 pm
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He's going to declare Marshall Law, remove the rights of all Scots under emergency legislation, burn Holyrood to the ground and rule over you like a medieval monarch over a fiefdom.

Don't be fooled by the affable northern bloke routine, its just a cover for his tyrannical intent

Shhhh! I was keeping quiet about that and his plans for the Barnett Formula (that he's already U-turned on)

 


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:35 pm
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Posted by: tjagain

What is so hard to understand about this? 

It isn't difficult to understand, not even for the English.

It's only you that thinks that he'll need powers to achieve change. Comprise, isn't that how politics works?

There's no point us discussing it, that's for him, the various councils and Hollyrood to discuss. 

So he is actually not going to do any of these things then that he claims he is going to do in Scotland because they are either already in place or he doesn't have the power to do so nor any remit to do so?  

So you accept then its actually a load of hot air from him?

 


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:36 pm
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Cheezy peeps, find a better hill to die on other than the contents of an article you didn't read


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:38 pm
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Its just very irritating when yet another Westminster politician fails so completely to understand the UK constitutional settlement and makes claims about Scotland that have no basis in reality.

I do note no one has actually explained to me how he is going to do these things (*timba has at least tried)\

laters peeps


 
Posted : 05/07/2026 6:44 pm
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So you accept then its actually a load of hot air from him?

I accept that it's a load of disingenuously copied and pasted hot air from the SNP that's repeated without question.


 
Posted : 06/07/2026 7:49 am
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I'd give anyone who isn't involved directly in devolved matters to be ignorant of them (as @dazh and @tjagain have pointed out, anyone to the south or east of any border are clearly too stupid to be able to hold anything to do with politics in any other region in their teeny heads anyway) including and up to Mayor of a major city - I mean, why would they?

What's not excusable is that who-ever's job it was to proofread any article written (probably by some lowly harassed staffer) needs that role taken away from him/her for not double checking what the situation actually is, and for letting the same article (with names and places changed) to go to press - did they honestly think no one would spot it?

Draws sad comparison with previous* administration's lack of comms skills. 2/10, needs improving 

 

*Edit: current, obvs...Freudian slip 


 
Posted : 07/07/2026 1:04 pm
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What's not excusable is that who-ever's job it was to proofread any article written (probably by some lowly harassed staffer) needs that role taken away from him/her for not double checking what the situation actually is, and for letting the same article (with names and places changed) to go to press - did they honestly think no one would spot it?

For me, it's partly about competence but, also, perhaps, lack of communication and possible over-centralisation. All it needed was to check with the leaders of the Welsh and Scottish branches of the party that what was being said was relevant. 


 
Posted : 07/07/2026 1:11 pm
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All it needed was to check with the leaders of the Welsh and Scottish branches of the party that what was being said was relevant. 

You'd have though a quick bloody Google would be a decent starting point frankly. 


 
Posted : 07/07/2026 1:14 pm
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So it begins... the "better at communication" line as regards Burnham was that, basically, he doesn't sound as boring as Starmer. Nothing much more. A great soundtrack and relaxed demeanour doesn't necessarily result in good communication, even if it's good marketing. Once in office, the details will really matter. I wish him the best of luck. He'll need it.


 
Posted : 07/07/2026 1:15 pm
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