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On a slightly lighter note, did anyone find it odd that they were showing footage of someone's chest being cut open and the heart massaged yet still they blurred out the patients nipples so they didn't upset/offend someone or was it just me?
I hope it's just you, but experience tells me that it wont be. There is this thing which used to be called common decency, it's called decency now as it's not all that common any more. That is why her nipples were blurred out.
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I hope it's just you, but experience tells me that it wont be. There is this thing which used to be called common decency, it's called decency now as it's not all that common any more. That is why her nipples were blurred out.
This. If it happened to me, I don't think I'd mind a documentary being produced but I'd sure as hell not want my nipples on show.
TBH when you have a life changing event you don't care/nor does it in anyway look or appear sexual.
Question, do you see a woman filmed during labour as sexual? Or a woman breastfeeding. I don't.
TBH when you have a life changing event you don't care.
Well from someone who has worked as a health care professional for almost 26 years I can tell you that's not true in all cases. Decency is something that should never be forgotten.
I haven't watched it, and reading some of the descriptions above I don't think I will.
Even if I had the intellect to become a doctor, I very much doubt I would have the emotional strength to deal with losing the fight to save a life.
TBH when you have a life changing event you don't care/nor does it in anyway look or appear sexual.
If everyone was normal I would agree with you, but not everyone is normal. There are some properly twisted ****s out there who get their jollies off all sorts of weird shit.
whether you care or not at the time it's not the same as being on national telly months or years later.
I agree the nipple could have been fully blurred out but it helped to give reference. Then again they showed enough shots/angles I guess.
For me I was too busy trying to take in the enormity of it all and just how calm they all came across
agree the nipple could have been fully blurred out but it helped to give reference.
I reckon most people know where the heart is.
Question, do you see a woman filmed during labour as sexual? Or a woman breastfeeding. I don't.
Don't forget, Hora, that women you see on the TV giving birth, or someone breastfeeding a baby in public - they are giving their consent to be filmed and seen by others. Yanina did not, therefore it was right that her dignity was preserved.
"Wow! Hear that loud swooshing noise? That's the sound of you missing the point by a country mile..."
You are mistaken. The inference appeared to be that blurring out a woman's breast, regardless of the context, was some how 'inappropriate' or in the case of the OP it "..really annoyed him". This tactless suggestion is what I took exception to, and I couldn't let that pass.
If it was a comment on the production style/values of the program makers, then his comment could have been made more eloquently. It certainly seems others above share my view that decency should be upheld in this context. Seeing her bare chest would have been an unquestionably unethical thing to do imo.
Having worked in A and E, albeit many years ago, I've always been irked by complaints about waiting times for non-life threatening conditions when folk have no idea of scenarios behind the resus doors. Our NHS really is awesome!
Watched it tonight. Still on my mind. Shocking if true...[url= http://lcc.org.uk/discussions/skip-driver-has-killed-two-cyclists-in-15-years ]link[/url]
Jamze - MemberWatched it tonight. Still on my mind. Shocking if true...link
To be truly depressed / incensed by stories, and the scale of stories, such as this just look at the lfgss.com rider down page (they change the lfgss web page banner to black every time a rider is killed, it's much too common an occurence)
My wife is an experienced cyclist on and off road but she is shying away from commuting into London, not gotten back into it after she was taken out in Clapham (by an ambulance - which was handy 🙂
You are mistaken. The inference appeared to be that blurring out a woman's breast, regardless of the context, was some how 'inappropriate' or in the case of the OP it "..really annoyed him". This tactless suggestion is what I took exception to, and I couldn't let that pass.
Hmmm. Okay. Maybe it's me that has missed the point then. I got the impression that the poster that expressed annoyance felt (as I do, which is why I probably interpreted it this way) that it was sad/annoying/whatever that we the viewers can be considered 'grown up' enough to see incredible, tragic, heartrending footage of a young woman dying on screen despite the medics best efforts, yet we are not considered grown up enough to be able to see a nipple without s****ing like school children. I get the patient dignity side of things, but surely being watched by millions for entertainment going through the process of traumatic death kind of overshadows the whole nipple issue. I fail to see, how having the offending 5cm2 of skin partially blurred out in any way, shape or form preserves this poor young lady's dignity. It smacks of quasi-religious conservatism to me.
I suppose the point for me comes down to what was the objective of this program. If it was educational, enlightening material, then why blur things out. It's just a ridiculous hypocrisy.
If it was just voyeuristic gore-pron for the masses to rubber neck to (which I suspect may be closer to the truth), then it doesn’t belong on our screens at all.
Either trust the audience to be mature, or don't. I for one am quite uncomfortable with the commercialisation of this young woman's sad demise, being dressed up as educational but actually designed to shock and entertain the masses. Just go watch a Tarantino film instead. There's unblurred nipples in them, too.
Sorry for the rant, as you were.
Hmmm. Okay. Maybe it's me that has missed the point then..........
Should have just stopped there really.
Should have just stopped there really.
Opinions are like RSholes, Drac. Feel free to examine mine, but don't knock me for having one 😉
Her mother and/or Husband would have given their blessing. That over rides a strangers view.
and I completely agree. However, what a weird society that makes someone be happy to let the world watch their loved one die horribly, so long as their nipples are semi obscured. Because THAT'S what makes it undignified.hora - Member
Her mother and/or Husband would have given their blessing. That over rides a strangers view.
You are mistaken. The inference appeared to be that blurring out a woman's breast, regardless of the context, was some how 'inappropriate' or in the case of the OP it "..really annoyed him". This tactless suggestion is what I took exception to, and I couldn't let that pass.Hmmm. Okay. Maybe it's me that has missed the point then. I got the impression that the poster that expressed annoyance felt (as I do, which is why I probably interpreted it this way) that it was sad/annoying/whatever that we the viewers can be considered 'grown up' enough to see incredible, tragic, heartrending footage of a young woman dying on screen despite the medics best efforts, yet we are not considered grown up enough to be able to see a nipple without s****ing like school children. I get the patient dignity side of things, but surely being watched by millions for entertainment going through the process of traumatic death kind of overshadows the whole nipple issue. I fail to see, how having the offending 5cm2 of skin partially blurred out in any way, shape or form preserves this poor young lady's dignity. It smacks of quasi-religious conservatism to me.
I suppose the point for me comes down to what was the objective of this program. If it was educational, enlightening material, then why blur things out. It's just a ridiculous hypocrisy.If it was just voyeuristic gore-pron for the masses to rubber neck to (which I suspect may be closer to the truth), then it doesn’t belong on our screens at all.
Either trust the audience to be mature, or don't. I for one am quite uncomfortable with the commercialisation of this young woman's sad demise, being dressed up as educational but actually designed to shock and entertain the masses. Just go watch a Tarantino film instead. There's unblurred nipples in them, too.
Sorry for the rant, as you were.
First off, I'm not sure where someone mentioned being annoyed, I certainly never did in my original post.
As for V8ninety's post, he's pretty much said exactly what I was meaning. I can't see how blurring out a nipple maintains someone's dignity whereas trying to resuscitate them from a hugely traumatic accident does.
Pleased to hear that I didn't completely miss the point after all then...
I watched about 10 mins and then couldn't watch anymore as I knew she died in the end. I was shaking with anger as it's avoidable but it keeps happening. A huge machine that you can't see properly from shouldn't be on the roads in a crowded city.
This week's is about to start.
Not allowed to watch this week's whilst the Mrs is up as too close to a life event for us. 😕
TBH when you have a life changing event you don't care
Personal experience would say you are mistaken. An officer in an artillery unit I served in was caught in a fire caused by charge increments being carried in a radio equipped short wheelbase Land Rover. He stood covering his genitals as his skin melted off his chest, face and arms.
Privacy matters, always.
Next door neighbour is a Intensive care nurse in Paedatrics.
I can't see how blurring out a nipple maintains someone's dignity whereas trying to resuscitate them from a hugely traumatic accident does.
The open chest resuscitation was an educational factual story about the woman's last moments and what those that tried to save her did. The family would agree to show this part of it and her face on her behalf, they'd chose not to show her naked breast to preserve her dignity. Same way I will always try to do this when resuscitate in public if at all possible, I really can't see how anyone thinks otherwise.
Next door neighbour is a Intensive care nurse in Paedatrics.
Do you live next to Mrs Gruntfuttock?
Phew. The babies ones! Always a bit draining. Great programme - seeing just how much work and skill goes into helping babies who have a tough start to life make it through.
Went through it with our second child so the Mrs couldn't watch tonight's with me. I have it recorded.
Yeah, one of the cases brought back memories of a consultant obs, a registrar and a couple of extra midwives bursting in the door when dd decided he'd do the cord-round-the-neck trick on the way out. Bloody scary ten minutes or so but thankfully, he popped out as soon as he heard the forceps clinking. My heart was racing watching it unfold though - so many of the phrases and terminology sounded familiar. Awesome staff though - neo-natal must be a roller coaster of highs and lows.
The open chest resuscitation was an educational factual story about the woman's last moments and what those that tried to save her did. The family would agree to show this part of it and her face on her behalf, they'd chose not to show her naked breast to preserve her dignity. Same way I will always try to do this when resuscitate in public if at all possible, I really can't see how anyone thinks otherwise.
I don't really think anyone thinks that patient's dignity shouldn't be preserved, that the wishes of loved ones shouldn't be respected. (I certainly don't disagree). I think that those who expressed any feelings about it were commenting more on the ingrained hypocrisy and weirdness of our society, in that we are conditioned to think that being filmed dying and having highly invasive surgical procedures is somehow dignified, but heaven forbid you should see our nipples. The very blurring of said offending flesh is more jarring to an intelligent and mature viewer than if it was not; it's just a very strange juxtaposition.
It's like they're saying "you're grown up enough to watch a woman die, but not grown up enough to cope with the sight of a female nipple in a non sexual context, without s****ing. It all feels a bit repressed, in a fundamentalist Christian sort of way.
The thing that gets me is that for in individual patients involved, these events represent major, potentially life changing situations. And yet, for the medics, it just another day in the office, and tomorrow will bring another load of patients. How they keep this up, and yet treat everyone with such respect and professionalism is frankly amazing. Not a job i could do tbh.
g "you're grown up enough to watch a woman die, but not grown up enough to cope with the sight of a female nipple in a non sexual context, without s****ing. It all feels a bit repressed, in a fundamentalist Christian sort of way.
But that's not what they're saying. It's just case of dignity nothing about coping a look.
But that's not what they're saying. It's just case of dignity nothing about coping a look.
To clarify; my use of 'They' in this context refers to the societal 'They'. The 'They' who influence my four year old to worry that the changing cubicle at the swimming baths hasn't got a lock on; "what if someone sees us Dad?" he said. 😐 it made me a little bit sad; 'They' have got to him. Anyway, I digress; its that 'They' who make people think that having a nipple exposed whilst undergoing a thorocotomy in public view and on then TV is undignified; Yeah, it's the nipple that made it undignified. That's just plain surreal to me.
I don't question that patients/relatives wishes should be respected; I'm just sad/irritated/befuddled/whatever at a society that is offended by(or can't be trusted to deal with) a nipple. People are weird.
Good grief this thread is beyond depressing.
The very blurring of said offending flesh is more jarring to an intelligent and mature viewer… It's like they're saying "you're grown up enough to watch a woman die, but not grown up enough to cope with the sight of a female nipple"
No, they're not saying anything about you, or about anyone else who's crassly banging on about it on here. Stop thinking that [i]you're[/i] the important one, that [i]you're[/i] the one that deserves respect from the programme. You're not.
I can only apologise for prolonging this rotten discussion 🙁
I don't question that patients/relatives wishes should be respected
Leave it there then.
No, they're not saying anything about you, or about anyone else who's crassly banging on about it on here. Stop thinking that you're the important one, that you're the one that deserves respect from the programme. You're not.
Didn't watch it. Don't think 'I'm the important one'. My view is that the whole thing is a bit odd; it's making entertainment out of people's most painful, tragic moments. It's tapping into the rubbernecking instincts of the masses to obtain viewing figures, which translate into profit for the program makers. the blurred breast thing just highlights the weirdness, to me at least.
I can't imagine why anyone would give permission to broadcast images of their loved ones in situations like this to the general public for entertainment purposes at all; the censorship issue is a weird irrelevance. There are some things that don't need to be seen.
Didn't watch it.
Ah exercising your right to outraged.
No Drac, exercising my right to comment, and have an opinion that differs slightly to yours. Is that okay with you, or are you going to continue to exercise your right to snipe, without [i]actually[/i] offering reasons for your differing opinion? Is there something that makes your opinion more valid than mine, which means that you don't need to justify it?
Yeah, you've made your point, now please leave it. Those of us that have watched the programme and want to discuss the incredible work these professionals do, want to be able to do so without having to wade through or skip paragraph after paragraph of frankly irrelevant bullshit. If you had watched the programme, you may have been left with the same sense of wonder that I was. Truly outstanding people.