[Closed] An end to A&A / Friday Kylie please

boblo - I'm on the beer - please explain!

Woody - Member

"I do know there are one or two blokes on here that have a problem with women on the Forum."

Really? I had the impression that women were made quite welcome.

Its an interesting conundrum to which I know no answer

when a woman comes on stw they get a fair crack of the whip - and plenty of support when asked for

co existing with this the is the sleazy tendency

I have no answer to it

i have asked a lot of questions and hopefully a few folk will look to their actions

I am proud to be a port of the forum that accepts some very different people as equals. I'd name names but that would not be right, we / you / all should be proud of this

I am ashamed to be a part of a forum that thinks a thread or two of scantily clad women is acceptable

So - its to late for beer, who want a nice malt?

dreehundret and twenty onbe!

winnah

cinnamon_girl - Member
boblo - I'm on the beer - please explain

It looked like you took the pee take seriously with your 'don't patronise 🙁 ' comment. It was a (predictable) joke.

Really? I had the impression that women were made quite welcome

It's getting a lot better but, as I say, there are one or two that are quite prickly and rather we weren't here.

winnah

That is quite probably the most tragic post ever

He's bin on the 'shrooms

TJ - tis cool here really. 😀

A Glayva would be nice. 🙂

Christ! Who cares about A&A or whatever anymore... There are pictures of lardy cake.. two pictures! Of different types of lardy cake! I have a new titanium ego chariot that needs to be ridden to a cake shop selling lardy cake! This must happen this weekend above everything else. The world can stop spinning for all I care!

I'd prefer the Guinness Cake if I'm being totally honest TSY

It's getting a lot better but, as I say, there are one or two that are quite prickly and rather we weren't here.

CG i think you might just have to live with that, thats just life.

edit: i have no quote buttons or wee faces to use is this just me?

Oooh, shake-down ride then? With panniers no less! Do you know of anywhere that sells good Lardy Cake?

TJ - do you feel the same way when female forum members post pictures of semi-clad men?

Where can I get Guiness cake? Yes C_G I do... I'm talking about it on the cake thread too!

Anyone want to join me on a savoury snack pron thread?

I am proud to be a port of the forum that accepts some very different people as equals. I'd name names but that would not be right, we / you / all should be proud of this

This is where we differ TJ. I don't see myself as a 'port' or any having any important role whatsoever. It would also never occur to me or be 'proud'(it's a bike forum FFS!) that I treat others on here as equals - I treat everyone the same without having to think about it.

This speaks volumes for how you regard you own importance

i have asked a lot of questions and hopefully a few folk will look to their actions

I treat everyone the same without having to think about it.

You do know that I'm better than you though Woody, right? 😉

Can someone summarise the previous 8 pages for me? I can't be bothered to read it. Ta.

Do you honestly believe that anyone really gives a toss ?

i think T.J. does?

[img] [/img]

Of course I do TSY but can we keep it private if I promise to wear the mask next time?

Edit: I had to rip my hand off the keyboard there to prevent a sleazy comment about Heather slipping out

I wonder if women in real life think TJ is a lecherous old creep or a noble knight who protects their honour?

Is Mr Hooker looking into her ear to see if he's finally talked her brain into submushion?

Whatever you want sweetcheeks... I like to keep my bitches happy.

i think it's a post-coital hair stroke?

lol! TJ leers Locklears ear.

chapeau!

iDave - Member

I wonder if women in real life think TJ is a lecherous old creep or a noble knight who protects their honour?

They all think hes a ninconpoop, which is the same as everyone else.

nincompoop please - spell it right 🙂

dreehundret and twenty onbe!

winnah

That is quite probably the most tragic post ever

No it's not actually, it's full of win. You don't understand that, as you've bin pwned, I'm sorry to say. No, it's true. Nothing you can say can change that. My decision is final.

Do you honestly believe that anyone really gives a toss ?

Well I do, as I believe that it's important to maintain a sense of respect and decorum in life, and the internet is part of human interaction now, so I don't see why behaviour here should be any different than in a 'real' situation. I mean, I would wager[b] Kevev's Ecks Bocks[/b] that most blokes on here what post saucy pics of ladies and make disrespectful comments wouldn't even be able to talk to a real lady in real life, much less make the kind of comments they do. They know they'd get glassed or have a pencil rammed into their eye penetrating their brain. They feel safe online, but that's no reason why they shouldn't be made to feel uncomfortable here too. Make the cowards feel uncomfortable wherever they go.

oh no!! My ironometer broke!

Woody - Member

I am proud to be a port of the forum that accepts some very different people as equals. I'd name names but that would not be right, we / you / all should be proud of this

This is where we differ TJ. I don't see myself as a 'port' or any having any important role whatsoever. It would also never occur to me or be 'proud'(it's a bike forum FFS!) that I treat others on here as equals - I treat everyone the same without having to think about it.

This speaks volumes for how you regard you own importance

Woody - actually I think you are one of the good guys who gives their opinion without fear or favour even tho you and I often end up at odds. I think you are misguided but you are real. without people prepared to say their say its a smallish place

Do you honestly believe that anyone really gives a toss ?

Yes I hope that one or two folk may moderate their behaviour and one or two may have a think about it. I don't expect to change the world i have asked a lot of questions and hopefully a few folk will look to their actions

Oi! That's new!

It's people like TJ that make this place interesting, Otherwise it'd just be people going on about suspension set-up or mortgages or Audi's or something.

oh no!! My ironometer broke!

That's bbecause there is no such thing and you've bin sold some pice of useless tat what don't do nuffink by some shyster. You've bin knocked!

And you know it really but you're too ashamed to see it.

I don't think I am that important. If I left STW tomorrow the difference would be small

No way! You are one of the most entertaining characters on here! Like SFB and Ernie, who have been most conspicuous by their absence lately. If you ask me the forum is nothing without it's main characters. Bit like EastEnders. Imagine if it was just Big Ron and that other bloke off the market? Ittud be well boring. Nah, we want our Fayt Payt and our Grunt Mitchells and Dot Cottons and the Slutter family and that!

Who's the Nick Cotton of STW?

[img] [/img]

That's bbecause there is no such thing and you've bin sold some pice of useless tat what don't do nuffink by some shyster. You've bin knocked!

And you know it really but you're too ashamed to see it

So TJ and Fred no answer eh?

What a frikkin surprise.

:rolL;

Oooooh, who can I be, who can I be??

Uncle Teej. You would definitely be missed, by both those who like you and those that don't. You're one of a kind and that alone is worthy of respect!

Let's all just have a hug, eh? I've had my fill of wine now, and I've discovered that if you buy gore fancy gear cables you get 4 cables but only enough outer to do one deraileur, so I need consoling... or more wine.

Al - no answer to what?

At 350+ posts its my longest thread I think

Highly amusing how many folk are vehement in their wish to post pictures of scantily clad ladies. do you have a life? Have you ever seen a real woman?

So TJ and Fred no answer eh?

To what? Maybe if you asked a question worth answering, we'd respond.

feeble

It's not, but here's a [b]Weeble[/b]!!

[img] [/img]

They wobble, right, but they [i]never[/i] fall down! 🙁

[i]Incroyable[/i], as they say in certain parts of Dunstable....

Highly amusing how many folk are vehement in their wish to post pictures of scantily clad ladies

Wow! Is that really what you think the vehemence is about???

Oh my!

Come on lads, not far to go now - you can do it. Ten pages woohoo.

Do they sell Gore Cable outer seperately? Anyone?

Don't be so bloody silly TSY. 😡

FFS...

🙄

I think you'd be Alfie Moon. But maybe Dr Legg. I'm not sure.

That thing is freaky. it's hollow eyes are staring into my soul. It's laughing at my inner turmoil! NO, not the lollipop.

So I've got to spend another £40 TO DO MY FRONT mech???

I wouldn't even spend £40 to do my front room.

I will vehemently defend my right to be vehement!

Have you ever seen a real woman?

that doesn't stop me looking at the pics in Singletrack!

You unfaithful slut!

Technically my bike lives in my front room...

You unfaithful slut!

This thread should have reached it's natural conclusion with the pic of Ethel holding her little Willy.

Crikey ... 😆

If Chewkw is saying 'Crikey' then we know it's all gone horribly wrong. 😯

How about that film 'Silent Running'? Now that's an interesting concept, isn't it?

[img] [/img]

I defend my right to be pavement!

[img] ?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1248972738368[/img]

But what if Hello Kitty was a prostitute? 😯

[img] [/img]

See? It's not so simple, is it?

How does Chewkw know that the bearings in both my front and rear hub are shot to f...??

My bike ain't going to be fixed tonight 😥

*goes off in search of images to lift spirit*

Pavement never cut my hair, I done it myself. But it din't turn out that well sadly. 🙁

Then the BT woman rang, and I cried. Police never came though so not to bayd.

I want to know why we're not all floating on magnets, quite frankly. 😐

[img] [/img]

Well, that went a bit weird.

I bet TJ is trolling. 😆

C'mon some of the chicks are trying too hard. I mean like these two here. She put me off big time with her looks. Worst is the pic of her on the bike naked ...

[img] [/img]

Why not just buy a copy of FHM, Nuts etc? More titillation than you can wave a ..... [insert preference] at. 🙄

It's all rather sad really.

Can someone summarise the previous 8 pages for me? I can't be bothered to read it. Ta.

[b]TJ [/b]- I'm an action feminist

[b]Most of STW[/b] - Get a grip.

Did I miss something out?

Er, kind of, the most important bits actually.

But I'll leave you to work that out for yourself....

Oh, and 'Most of STW' doesn't denote any kind of intelligent consensus, if that's what you were suggesting, more a collective ignorance really. People need to think for themselves, rather than following the herd.

Baaa!

[img] [/img]

Oh, and 'Most of STW' doesn't denote any kind of intelligent consensus, if that's what you were suggesting, more a collective ignorance really. People need to think for themselves, rather than following the herd.

So, basically, what you're saying is that if people don't agree with you (even if they are in the majority) then they are ignorant and unable to think for themselves.

Has TandemJeremy logged into your account by mistake?

😀

TBH I spend alot of time thinking for myself, most of the time it's enitrely un-productive.

I have nothing constructive to say. 😀

Elfinsafety - your hypocrisy knows no bounds. The rules are quite clear "[i]No posts of a sexual nature, including images of a sexual nature or intended to provoke a sexual response."[/i]

I can't believe you sad old buggers are STILL BLOODY ARGUING about this when there's a Star Wars film on TV.

Muppets.

So, basically, what you're saying is that if people don't agree with you (even if they are in the majority) then they are ignorant and unable to think for themselves.

Pretty much, yes. A majority doesn't necessarily constitute an authority. In this case, most folk who've opposed TJ have fundamentally missed the point of his argument, which is that STW should be a place free from sexism, misogyny and gratuitous sexual objectification. Very few have posted a decent counter argument, merely choosing instead to resort to insults and ad hominem attacks. Pathetic.

And I don't believe 'most of STW' is actually in disagreement with TJ. Granted, the weight of opinion seems to be against him, but I reckon there are probbly many who agree with his stance.

Trouble is, a lot of people aren't capable of engaging in intelligent debate, so find it easier to go with what appears to be a majority. Bit like ganging up on someone. Quite cowardly really.

Copernicus and Galileo were once ostracised for their views....

[img] [/img]

Elfinsafety - your hypocrisy knows no bounds. The rules are quite clear "No posts of a sexual nature, including images of a sexual nature or intended to provoke a sexual response."

😆

(I had to think about that one...)

A Star Wars film on telly???

(Runs off)

What is so wrong in appreciating a beautifully body? Sure depending on your sexual presuasion a woman's figure may bring a little lust, that's human nature, its not evil. Most girls I know like to look sexy and attractive, it makes some happy and confident. Its in your own opinion tj that this is somehow wrong and Pervy. Amplify your views a little and where does it stop, the burker? You've taken one of lifes natural pleasures and tried to turn it into something gruby.

Why not just buy a copy of FHM, Nuts etc? More titillation than you can wave a ...

but this is my point c_g. If it was titillation that folks wanted they would go to FHM. this demonstrates to me that that is not the reason for the thread

What is so wrong in appreciating a beautifully body?

Nothing. I never said there was. Neither did TJ. 😕

You've taken one of lifes natural pleasures and tried to turn it into something gruby.

No, you've [i]imagined[/i] that I/TJ have. Again, you've fundamentally missed the point of TJ's argument...

Dear oh dear.

This Star Wars film's not up to much by the way. 😐

Trouble is, a lot of people aren't capable of engaging in intelligent debate, so find it easier to go with what appears to be a majority. Bit like ganging up on someone. Quite cowardly really.

Would there really be any point entering into a debate with you on this subject when you have already decided yours is the only correct opinion - much as TandemJeremy does on almost every thread to which he contributes?

I think there are many people on the forum who are more than capable of entering into an intelligent debate on this and many other subjects with you or TandemJeremy, but don't because they are intelligent enough to understand that to do so would be akin to flogging a dead horse.

I wish I had their wisdom.

"You've missed the point" without clarifying the point being made is a fantastically poor argument.

As I see it, TJ's initial argument(if that's the point being alluded to) falls flat on its face fairly quickly - if the contents of the A&A threads are against the rules, then the site's owners will surely reprimand the posters and remove the proscribed content. This would seem to be enough to eventually reduce any such posts to a negligible level, without anyone having to appoint themselves as Forum Prefect.

Anyhow, TJ and Elfin have proved my point about some people never knowing when to stop. Back from the pub, time to carry on arguing on the internet until the early hours, you get yourself off to bed dear...

There are some folks I, ahem, know who definitely consider this to be pron of the highest quality. Thanks.

[img] [/img]

In this case, most folk who've opposed TJ have fundamentally missed the point of his argument, which is that STW should be a place free from sexism, misogyny and gratuitous sexual objectification. Very few have posted a decent counter argument, merely choosing instead to resort to insults and ad hominem attacks. Pathetic.

Then i think you have very much missed the point. Most people would agree that STW should be free of all those. The arguments have been about what constitutes those things (or not).

Grimy - no just inappropriate on this site.

I do love this - half of you are saying its not about sexual attraction at all - its just abstract appreciation of the beautiful body. the other half that there is nothing wrong with a bit of sexual attraction and that its natural. You cannot both be right.

Its really very simple. Its all about the context. If you want pictures of scantily clad women there are many places on the internet for this Sports illustrated for example.

What happens to the vast majority of these threads on here is it become a leching session. Objectifying women by only giving them value on how attractive they are.

This post illustrates this perfectly

buzz-lightyear - Member

"Buzz - do yu really not understand?"

No, no I really don't. Perhaps because I don't have a distorted outlook on gender and sexuality. Wake up and smell the coffee: how women look is important to men. But only fool thinks that men ONLY judge women on their looks...

..................

Here's a personal fav: the blisteringly fast Lindsey Vonn, who brings [b]sex appeal[/b] to top flight women's skiing.

So vonn is only worthy of a attention as she brings sex appeal to sking. And folk are still attempting to say that its not titillation 🙄

Trouble is, a lot of people aren't capable of engaging in intelligent debate, so find it easier to go with what appears to be a majority

Whereas you, Mr Elf, appear to follow your hero TJ with almost blind devotion!

And..........I think it is you who have missed the point. This is not really about the A&A thread or its contents; it's all about a small minority attempting to impose their will on the majority. This has been going on so long I'm inclined to believe there is some not so subtle coercive persuasion in action 😉

I do love this - half of you are saying its not about sexual attraction at all - its just abstract appreciation of the beautiful body. the other half that there is nothing wrong with a bit of sexual attraction and that its natural. You cannot both be right.

No one has said that everyone else is united. The world is slightly more nuanced then TJ and everyone else.

I do love this - half of you are saying its not about sexual attraction at all - its just abstract appreciation of the beautiful body. the other half that there is nothing wrong with a bit of sexual attraction and that its natural. You cannot both be right.

Can you just remind me, I'm not sure if you're for or against?

So vonn is only worthy of a attention as she brings sex appeal to sking. And folk are still attempting to say that its not titillation

Did you miss the bit where she was described as blisteringly fast? in fact, the primary description of her?

Woody - its not about

a small minority attempting to impose their will on the majority.

its about wanting the forum to be free of sexism and misogyny and challenging sexism when it rears its ugly head.

Charlie once again you miss the point. the two tendencies are contradictory to the point at which thee ones who claim its natural sexual attraction undermine the argument that its purely about aesthetic thus actually supporting my position.

Thats my last word on it.

So vonn is only worthy of a attention as she brings sex appeal to sking. And folk are still attempting to say that its not titillation