[Closed] An end to A&A / Friday Kylie please

If you had a thread all about hoovering, ironing and pink frilly objects, you wouldn't want to add a discussion about beer and farting to make any male readers feel more welcome would you? No....hang on....that doesn't sound right.....

The main thing I find offensive on this forum is TJ's blinkered view on life. I know he's scotch, but does he need to be so dour?

He's actually English, which is all that needs saying about him.

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I dont approve of it personally but , given the thread title, it is very easy to avoid.

I like the idea of TJ taking an "extreme" position on an issue for dramatic/comedic effect. The only thing that would surprise anyone is TJ replying to any contentious thread with "Not bothered either way really...". Or just not replying to a contentious thread - he seems to be on here 24/7 much of the time.

Wasn't going to post but decided I have to even though I can't be ar**ed to read this! Get a grip Friday Kylie will not put women off coming to this forum and if it does, well so be it. It's easily avoidable. It's like trying to stop your husband looking at porn it's never going to happen .. plus is it really an issue?

Trying to stop men looking at pictures of women is pointless. I don't really mind the pictures if the girls doing their sport and the sexiness is incedental. I do wonder why it is that women sportspeople find it necessary to do "glamour-like" shots but there you go. Often A&A degenerates into just tits and arses which is a bit "13 year old boy" Personnally I find threads like the Sue Perkins one more offensive.

Yeah, but do you actually complain about stuff you find offensive, or do you just tut and do nothing?

I admire TJ for his confidence in standing up for what he believes in, even in the face of great adversity. A quality many on here lack; they will only speak up if they feel they are being backed up by others. Safety in numbers. Quite cowardly really.

13 year old boy

The greatest mistake women ever make is thinking that normal men ever get beyond this age mentally.

I'm sure at some level it does keep women away from the forum, whether that is a problem or not is up for the owners to decide.

I find it a bit of a mystery to be honest, posting the same photos week in week out. I don't think it's necessarily harmless either, Allison Stokke is a case in point.

In most aspects of modern life you can avoid going to places which you find offensive. If you find lap bars offensive you stay away. If you avoid threads about tyres offensive, likewise. A&A is telegraphed, you can avoid clicking, or you can be just like the one who walks into the lap bar and rants about how offended you are.....

I find lots of things offensive but people have the right to do them if no one is being damaged, and I doubt if Jessica Ennis is upset that a few fat old IT farts think she's fit.

I heard it spoken before but guess this proves it, the internet is serious business!

Zulu-Eleven - Member

A simple message for TJ, Elfin, and all their little left leaning friends:

You can stick your CCTV, Police State, wheelie bin Stasi, DNA, WMD, “Social Cohesion”, benefits for all, guilty until proved innocent, don’t do that it’s illegal now, can’t say that, ID cards for all, where are you going, what have you been saying/doing/reading, can’t photograph that, how very dare you, golliwog banning, we know where you live, we’re watching you Soviet Utopia up your arses. Sideways.

There, that pretty much sums up my feelings on the issue really!

Is that you John Wayne?

A quality many on here lack; they will only speak up if they feel they are being backed up by others.

He also never shuts up, backs down or gives up. There are several others on here with with a similarly high level of persistence.

The end result is that there are certain topics which simply aren't worth discussing on here, because you'll simply be swamped with inane and repetitive arguments, posted at an incredible rate. I'd say TJ is all for speaking up, so long as it's him doing the speaking, or someone whose opinion he endorses. Ultimately that kind of behaviour creates an environment where people don't speak up.

As a (male) relatively new poster here - yes A&A can be a little bit lame and tacky sometimes - but no more that the "show me your [i]enter name of bike here[/i] threads.

Posting on internet forum for a sport where most participants are male and lots of the talk is gear freakery is always likely to be a largely male activity.

For a bloke to appoint himself the defender of women from evil and offence seems pompous and condescending.

To continue to do so repeatedly when everyone has heard his point of view suggests a desire to annoy or troll. Say it once on the thread - then walk away with dignity.

The thing about freedom of speech/artistic freedom, it you get to hear and see things you may not like.

If the siteowners/editors don't like it they can stop it, if other people don't like it they don't have to look at the thread.

For those of you furiously googling Alison Stokke:

[url= http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article1857190.ece ]

Her unwanted fame as an internet sex symbol can be traced to a fan who posted a photograph of the athlete stroking her brunette ponytail with her pole resting on her shoulder on an online message board about American football. The picture was e-mailed by a reader to Matt Ufford, a New York sports blogger, who posted it on his site, WithLeather.com, under the headline: “Pole Vaulting is Sexy, Barely Legal.”

Whilst some athletes are happy to pose for 'sexy' pics, others don't actually want to play this media game. Which s of course their choice to make. And they should be respected for this. So, while posting pics of attractive young women might seem just a bit of 'harmless fun', it would be wise to consider all implications of such actions, and the dignity of the object of such 'harmless fun'. Would you be so blasé if it were your daughter?

The attention has become so great that Miss Stokke, 18, now locks the doors and avoids leaving her house alone. Her father, a lawyer, checks the internet every night for potential stalkers. She has even had to enlist the services of a media adviser to fend off hundreds of requests for photographs and interviews.

If a person willingly puts themselves in the public eye, then they must expect the consequences. But when they are thrust into the limelight against their own wishes, isn't this wrong?

oh look more women on tj's offensive to women thread that really couldnt give a toss 😆

Fwiw I love tits and arse as im sure most blokes do, but can I be bothered to trawl through a load of pictures on here?? Can I bollox! If you wanna look then open it, if you don't then don't! How hard is that? And I can't believe its such a posted on subject!!

Lifer; In fairness, Zulu-11 is hardly a voice of reason, [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wyatt ]unless you're comparing him to the late Woodrow Wyatt[/url]...

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I find threads like the Sue Perkins one more offensive.

Her father, a lawyer, checks the internet every night for potential stalkers.

wtf? Checks the entire internet?

Fwiw I love tits and arse

Another TJ fan?

I'm familiar with the Alison Stokke story and it's a sad reflection on a society that can't differentiate between what's real and what's not. If you look for more Alison Stokke pictures, the ones that are available show, for me at least, that she is not that attractive. THE photo shows her at a particular moment in her sport where she looks, as an athlete, superb.

If a person willingly puts themselves in the public eye, then they must expect the consequences. But when they are thrust into the limelight against their own wishes, isn't this wrong?

Would it not be better if she could do something she loves without all this aggro/unwated attention she neither wants nor deserves
It is hardly her fault that this happens whether it is predicatable or not we are discussin ghwther it is appropriate or acceptable

Ultimately that kind of behaviour creates an environment where people don't speak up.

This place should be about discussion and even disagreement, alongside a healthy dose of fun. The thread dominance and, or attempts to browbeat 'opponents' who disagree with a viewpoint, must be very off-putting for many.

Personally, I couldn't give a monkey's, I'm just over the moon to find out that TJ isn't a Scot :0

Elfinsafety - Member

No TSY they were actually saying how nice it was, if you really must know.

My bottom was once favourably discussed by a group of women in a bar in New York. I was an object of public scrutiny. Can't say the ordeal has had a lasting damaging effect on me, though.

Are you actually a stripper?

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Munqe-chick - Member

Wasn't going to post but decided I have to even though I can't be ar**ed to read this! Get a grip Friday Kylie will not put women off coming to this forum and if it does, well so be it. It's easily avoidable. It's like trying to stop your husband looking at porn it's never going to happen

Munque, if I send you my other half's contact details, could you explain this concept to her? It would make things soooo much easier... 😉

Interestingly TJ has a problem with other people posting semi clad photos of other people, but he doesn't have a problem posting a photo of himself...

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I personally think the thread is pointless but if it makes you lads happy then so be it! What does rather hack me off though is when men moan about women posting pics of men.....kinda hypocritical dontcha fink?!! 😉

It is hardly her fault that this happens whether it is predicatable or not we are discussin ghwther it is appropriate or acceptable

I'm not too sure what you're referring to as being appropriate or acceptable.
Beautiful women are used to sell to men.
Beautiful women are used to sell to women.
We are surrounded by images of the people we are supposed to look like.
Images are taken from sports and held up as how we should be.
Why is it that Alison Stokke is the only person to have received this type of treatment. Is it unfeasible to think that it might have been a savvy attempt at promoting her image? Just a thought.

vanilla83 - Member

Interestingly TJ has a problem with other people posting semi clad photos of other people, but he doesn't have a problem posting a photo of himself...

Okay...

*starts to wonder what impact that image had on Stokke's advertising income*

PLAY NICELY 😀

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I wasn't meaning I'd do anything, my point was that YOU ARE A LYING HYPOCRITE and if you behaved the way you do online in real life, much like TJ, someone or other (definitely not me, I'd be long gone) would flatten you at some point.

Lordy lordy lordy. If someone got so wound up by something someone else said on an internet forum, that they'd be driven to violence, then that's pretty bloody sad, isn't it? Al, chill out mate. Seriously. Let it go.

Anyway I doubt anyone would actually want to flatten me if they met me in real life, as I'm actually really quite lovely. Ask Aleigh. 🙂

Why is it that Alison Stokke is the only person to have received this type of treatment

I very much doubt she is.

Elfin....you are lovely mwah

there is a time and place for gratiouatous (sp?) nudity...........

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ton that is the best thing anyone has ever posted ever in the history of the internet.
you daft fek.

if that's you poncing around in your truckers ton i was scarred enough first time round 😯

there is a time and place for gratiouatous (sp?) nudity...........

Oh my eyes my eyes, you could of warned us Ton crikey 😯

 

So now she is doing it for publicity 🙄
Perhaps she just does not like it and would prefer it to stop.
“I worked so hard for pole vaulting and all this other stuff, and it’s almost like that doesn't matter. Nobody sees that. Nobody really sees me.”
Consenting to have your image used for all you mention is not the same as having it used sexually against your will. Some people - say jordan - seem comfortbale with this others are not.

Consenting to have your image used for all you mention is not the same as having it used sexually

(sadly, the same is true of pics you haven't consented to)

But, you know what, I don't actually think this Forum is the place for this stuff. I'm no feminist and I'm not gay but do feel that if people want this, there are other places.

What happens is, as usual, the line gets crossed and you blokes almost become competitive as to who can post the most sleazy pic.

Naturally these types of posts do nothing to encourage girlies to frequent the Forum. Your loss I say - who could not fail to be charmed by our fragrance, presence and joie de vivre?

This was my reply when this subject came up again recently and the thread got closed.

I take my hat off to TJ and those few others who had the sphericals to go against the grain of the majority. These pics do nothing to enhance the Forum and just come across as very childish.

sorry CG............ 😉

Once an photo is taken you can not control how people will view it or how they will use it in the privacy of their own homes, as has been said [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/friday-aa-4#post-2180629 ]on the other thread, [/url]perhaps it's not the photo that is the problem. 😉
As I said earlier, I think that THE photo is a fantastic photo of an athlete being an athlete, nothing sexy, nothing more.

yes i know that. It is why I said earlier that we were discussing whether it was appropriate or acceptable. Technically a paedo [ or anyone as we are in a public place] could take pics of my kids when i walk to the park and do what they want with the images but I may not approve of what they do ...should I stay indoors to avoid this?
We are not going to agree her DS So I shall leave it as I am just procrastinating about fitting a kitchen

I take my hat off to TJ and those few others who had the sphericals to go against the grain of the majority.

but TJ was objecting to non-sleazy stuff, and as I have asked before (of others) what is the 'this' which you think people want?

CG

If you looked at the thread you will find that a concerted effort had been made by some to balance the male/female ratio of pics.

Aleigh

What does rather hack me off though is when men moan about women posting pics of men.....kinda hypocritical dontcha fink?!

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