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Been hearing a lot about this in the circle of freinds i keep, mainly fronm them reminising about "the good old days". So whats so good, have i missed out?
no sleep till tomoroows dawn and tomorrow will be a long day.
Loved it.
Well, aside from talking absolute bollocks at a million mph, gurning like an idiot, chewing gum like its the last piece on earth, resorting to chewing the inside of your mouth when said gum fails (and you will find the need to gnaw on something, anything) , your cock looking like you've just stepped out of a wintry north sea, no chance of sleeping for at least 24 hours once you've taken it and all the while sweating like a rapist, you're not missing much really...
*reminisces about misspent youth...*
Why don't you give it a go ? It's never too late to start a drug habit.
How about crystal meths, if you want to keep up with the times ?
Then in a few years time you too, could be reminiscing about "the good old days".
i dedicated a whole section of my fotpic site to wanton drug abuse...
http://old-zone-pics.fotopic.net/
I am now a pillar of the community.
It's rubbish. Makes you chew your face to bits. Talk cack. All the beer youve drunk, to get you "merry" is negated. You'll feel like crap for two or three days afterwoods, and unless is like putty - then it's likely to have been cut with God know's what. It will make your wee man, look like a wee walnut. If you do manage to get it up you'll never get anywhere, you'll just go on until you have a MI.
Speed comedowns - urgh!!!!
Don't do it!
Lowey - Started my day off with a smile looking through your old photos - inspired taking a camera!!!
Amphetamines - in small quantities occasionally they are a nice useful stimulant - used by armed forces and astronauts.
In larger dosse you feel like a God and full of energy - but come down to feel like shit - plus what the others have said above
Used a lot over a period of time often results in Psychosis - virtually indistinguishable from Schizophrenia
As above, plus puts your resting heart rate up stupidly high and you get very anxious in the comedown phase. You won't be able to face real food so you'll live on custard for a whole long weekend. The increased occurrence of spontaneous nosebleeds put me off...
The amount taken in a dose for "recreational" purposes is massively bigger than that used as a stimulant.
I forgot the heart thing - knackers your heart. Not a nice drug really.
Speed kills.
And it's not very pleasant anyway.
seemingly unusual thread, most 'drug' threads are inhabited by anti-drug cleaning living muppets*, this seems to be a lot of ex-experimenters who are giving the benefit of decent advice without being judgmental...
I agree with most of the above, do youself a favour and avoid.
* - in some ways I maybe wish I could have stayed one of these....
"regret, without it, you wouldn't be who you are today".
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There's a line in Withnail & I that sums it up quite well:
Marwood: Speed is like a dozen transatlantic flights without ever getting off the plane. Time change. You lose, you gain. Makes no difference so long as you keep taking the pills. But sooner or later you've got to get out because it's crashing, and then all at once the frozen hours melt out through the nervous system and seep out the pores.
I suppose it comes down to - if you don't like who you are, take drugs.
Odds are it won't improve you.
A bit like drinking to excess - "I felt so happy last night..." 😀
What odds are they then epicyclo? Like lots of things, taking drugs gives you a range of experiences. Some are positive, some negative. Whether any of them improve you as a person depends on you, not the drug involved. Rather like riding round a muddy field for 24 hrs can be a negative experience in itself, but the sense of achievement and self-knowledge gained might improve you.
Interesting that drinking to excess is bad for you. Presumably, moderate drinking is ok? Does that attitude extend to other drugs?
Speed, mind you, is a dirty drug, no question.
It was my drug of choice back in the day, I loved the buzz. I did lose 3 stone and ended up looking like a zombie however....
What follows is a cautionary tale of the foolishness of drug misuse:
I was always very, very affected by even the smallest amount of anything I took (a lightweight my mates said).
Me and my mates went to gatecrasher, there I had suplemented my usual speed with a couple of e's and some coke. I had never taken e or coke before this, in retrospect was a bad idea.
Furthermore, the speed was "proper 100% base man" and was this grey putty like stuff, also a first for me, so me and a mate took the lot, along with some renne in case it was a bit acidic....
Come those frozen hours of the early morning (to which MRnutt refers) we had to prize my mate from behind a ciggarette machine at about 4 in the morning, he was convinced that he was about to be baseball batted to death, he remained the same paranoid wreck for 4 days.
I however felt fine!
For 3 more days, didnt sleep, but felt fine!
Then one evening I was having a bath at about 11 oclock (I lived with my (elderly and very christian) parents, i was about 19?) when I noticed some mild discomfort in my testicles.
They appeared to be swelling quite rapidly, concerned, I decided to run into to my parents bedroom completely starkers and clutching my pride and joy which now felt like a pair of oranges. I woke them up, and not wanting to worry them shouted "mum help! my testicles are the size of oranges" and kind of flapped them at her as if to emphasize my point.
They did not take kindly to this, and advised me to ring the doctor.
So I ran downstairs and sat explaining in graphic detail, my concerns to the emergency doctors receptionist, only to have to repeat the entire sordid tale to the doctor.
His advice was to get some sleep, and that as what I was describing was not anatomically possible, he was sure that it would feel better in the morning. No, I didnt need an ambulance.
All was indeed well in the morning testicle-wise, but I didnt sleep for a few more days, and didnt eat properly for about another week. I also had the comedown of a lifetime, but did give my best man some wonderful content for his recent speech.
Just say no kids!
TandemJeremy
Speed doesn't cause psychosis any more than cannabis does.
It might bring forward a psychotic episode that may have been bubbling away under the surface, but those drugs don't cause psychosis.
Unfortunately the media would have you believe that smoking a spliff leads to paranoid schizophrenia and some kind of bizarre knife attack. And all drugs are evil.
aphex - have you had psychosis?
I suppose it comes down to - if you don't like who you are, take drugs.Odds are it won't improve you.
What a load of old cobblers.
So, why go mountain biking then? The adrenaline rush is akin to using drugs. Same with drinking coffee, etc.
Most drugs do have a negative effect on mind and body, if abused. But in moderation, certain drugs can provide an incredibly stimulating, exciting and rewarding sperience.
Mind you, the way some drugs, speshly Cocaine, are used in our society, can be quite pathetic. But then, people who use a powerful drug like Cocaine, to feel 'better'; bigger stronger tougher braver, are mis-using the drug.
BTW; Speed is shyte, compared to Methylenedioxymethamphetamine...
I properly LOLed at TimDrayton's post... 😆
Rubbish drug really - appalling comedown.
I used to enjoy the effects while I was on it, I stopped using it because the many minuses for me greatly outweighed that plus. I remember lying awake in a dark room where everyone else had crashed after a party, petrified that everyone was listening to me breathe.
My testicles remained their normal size, however. Luckily that bit of paranoia hadn't occurred to me...
It might bring forward a psychotic episode that may have been bubbling away under the surface, but those drugs don't cause psychosis.
Yeah right. On occasions after binge drinking I've ended up throwing up, but it wasn't the alcohol which made me throw up, it was my stomach. After all, who's to say that I wouldn't have thrown up had I not had a drink - plenty of people who don't drink also vomit.
I have to deal on more or less a daily basis, with someone who attempts to struggle through life with crippling schizophrenia. From the "I'm going to kill myself right now" late-night texts, to the incoherent gibberish phone rantings.
She will live the rest of her life on disability benefits, and has an entire team behind her, including social workers, CPNs, psychologists, and psychiatrists. Everyone, including her, accepts that her schizophrenia was brought about by years of recreational drug use.
It was my drug of choice in the "good" old days too.
In hindsight I wasted a lot of money, time and effort that should really have gone towards getting higher qualifications but I was happy, gainfully employed and stoned and/or speeding my tits off for most of the week.
Being small, I could never take the same large amounts of drugs that some of my friends did. Also, being very fit, throughout my twenties, drugs seemed to have a more pronounced effect on my system, than on others. So, I took considerably less than others. Which was probably a good thing. Fortunately, most of my friends din't call me a 'lightweight', so I din't have to deal with stupid peer-pressure much.
And I realised early on, that Lysergic Acid Diethylamide was incredibly powerful, and could possibly render you pretty ****ed-up (that's a proper medical term, btw). Things like Ketamine and MDMA were also not to be abused. In fact, in the sase of Speed and Ketamine, probably not to be taken at all, really, certainly not more than once or twice. Experience the buzz, enjoy, move on.
Anyone who takes drug use lightly, is a fool.
But, hey, man; It's Your Trip...
timdrayton-
did you mean like Valencia late navels or just mini clementines?
I was in a band with a bloke who used speed - a lot of it.
He's dead now.
* it was heroin wot killed him though
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timdrayton - Member
It was my drug of choice back in the day, I loved the buzz. I did lose 3 stone and ended up looking like a zombie however....
3 Stone, I think I lost more than that at one butterolggie!!!
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The good old days - Carl Cox, Club UK, sorted etc...
Aphex - sorry - I do believe speed does cause psychosis. Very unlike cannabis where there is no clear causality although there is some link between psychotic episodes and cannabis use, with amphetamines the link is clearly there - over stimulation of dopamine in the frontal cortex. A burnt out speedfreak shows signs that are similarly psychotic (but not quite identical) to classic schizophrenia.
Paranoia, delusions, hallucinations.
I think amphetamine psychosis is far more accepted in the medical community that cannabis psychosis. With amphetamines there are clear causal links and it reverses once the speedfreak recovers.
Speed was awful, at least with a couple of good e's you could get some sleep
TJ - It doesn't "cause" psychosis. As with any medical thing, your opinion is going to be drawn from what you've read, seen or been told. I've read a few papers and it's the opinion of the consultant psychiatrists in my team that drugs don't cause a person to become psychotic, and if they weren't taking anything they would still be susceptible, just maybe a few more years down the line. Drugs bring things to a head quicker.
GW - no, I've never been psychotic. But I am a mental health nurse and I've spent muchos time with psychotic young adults.
RichPenny -
What odds are they then epicyclo? Like lots of things, taking drugs gives you a range of experiences. Some are positive, some negative. Whether any of them improve you as a person depends on you, not the drug involved...Interesting that drinking to excess is bad for you. Presumably, moderate drinking is ok? Does that attitude extend to other drugs?
Speed, mind you, is a dirty drug, no question.
Not sure what you read into my response, but I've never seen anyone improved by taking drugs. As for alcohol, we've had tens of thousands of years to adjust to it, but it still can screw up those who are susceptible.
I've no moral stance on drugs and I think most of the so called evils of drugs are due to them being illegal. Big pharm companies are bad enough at aduleration, never mind the unscrupulous drug dealer. I'd vote for legalisation tomorrow.
I come from a family with too many alcoholics and early death smokers to have any enthusiasm for the ingestion of mind altering substances of unknown provenance or the consumption of carcinogens.
Yeah, I do drink beer, and I like the odd dram of good whisky in company. If I want to alter the state of my mind, I get on my bike.
Some good advice here (in this thread). Not prepared to go into my drug habits/history on here but out of them all I'd say amphet is the worst for making you feel sh1te in return for any "benificial" effects.
Seemingly, very bad for your bodies calcium reserves too (makes your teeth, and I suppose bones, but you can't see them, turn to crap). Saw a lad loose a tooth after doing the communal bag of billy to himself at Big Love "back in the day"
Ahh good ol billy. Used to love the stuff. Would'nt touch it with a barge pole now.
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Sorry, I just don't believe you've never seen anyone improved by taking drugs. Never seen a group of mates having a laugh in the pub, friends laughing their ass off when smoking dope, felt the rush of the dancefloor when a big track is played? Never enjoyed Hendrix, The Beatles or any subsequent musicians who were blatant caners?
To be fair, I agree with you some of the way. There are big downsides to all drugs if taken to excess, there are (and were, before it caught up with them) alcoholics in my family as well. This doesn't mean I avoid alcohol now, although I left it alone until my twenties.
Beer, I have to point out, is a drug and alters your state of mind.
I reckon it's fair to say that anyone who's used speed would agree that the high is great, the comedown is loathesome and most would view the drug, retrospectively, in a pretty negative light.
FWIW, I seem to remember a few cases of amphetamine psychosis knocking around back in the day. People who were suffering appauling side effects after prolonged, heavy speed abuse. Maybe the drug was merely a trigger not a cause, I don't know, but I'm really suprised to hear medical profesionals dismiss the idea because I've seen the results with my own eyes.
It's bad, very bad.
The last time I took speed I pulled the girl of my dreams and got her back to my place. I was well out of my league with this lass - and she was promising all types of filthy things too...
However due to my speed intake there was nothing happening down there at all, even after she did some of these filthy things to attempt to get the party started.
The look she gave me in the morning as she walked down the footpath out of my life meant that I never took it again.
Aphex. Its my opinion. Both as a medical professional and a past heavy user. I am perfectly willing to accept other medical professionals may disagree and that there is no proof. I think whizz is different to puff in this way.
I loved taking whizz - it was great. I knew I was playing with fire so I was wary. I made sure I didn't miss too many nights sleep in a row, I cleaned my teeth and I got pure crystal meth straight from the cook. When I had something else important to do I moved on in my life and stopped taking it.
I might have a line now if offered or I might not. I haven't bought any for decades and doubt I ever will again.
Saccades, that's one of the saddest (as in "what a downer" rather than "U R sad") stories I've ever read.
Bad luck mate (but at least it could have happened- better than never could. eh?)
We live and learn. It really F@cks me off when people get all self rightous about taking drugs - especially when the most vociferous (hey I think I spelt that right and believe me I've done my fair share of mind benders) voices are those that have little or no experience. Imagine some sad c@ck saying to you "never do the black run on Whites level" if all they'd ever done was seen it on the news or read some sensationilist account in their chosen daily paper. (**** me I know some people who would put EVERY crime, including parking on double yellows down to drug addicts according to what they are spoon fed by the media)
For once was glad to see in this thread some nice constructive stuff.
Shut up you druggie!
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Aphex - you've read about it? 🙄
sorry mate, but some of us have "lived it", no offence but you really don't have a ****ing clue!
Rich .. You mean me? You givin me paranoia now!
Aint it all a load of old toss!
RichPenny -
Beer, I have to point out, is a drug and alters your state of mind.
Beer is a source of essential electrolytes for single speeders who already have "altered minds" 😀
if alcohol was invented now they'd ban it
thank f*ck it's as old as bread
two tales to recount
I had a similar experience to Saccades, on a ski-trip with a gorgeous French girl who'd travelled up from Madrid to Andorra to join us for the weekend. Unfortunatley for me it was cheap duty free wine that 'got in the way' The lads have never let me forget it (although to them the tale is more that I turned her down) She never let on and I did see her a couple of times afterwards so there was no harm done - apart from to my ego.
The other tale is that I've never taken speed. However, after a procedure last week, my testicles also feel like they're the size of oranges although closer inspection reveals they are actually more like small walnuts and still reluctant to descend from my body cavity just in case the nasty doctor comes back again.
met a young lady who was convinced her skin was faling off. Tuns out she hadn't slept for a week and was nailing huge ammounts of speed...
TBH I don't understand why people still use speed when coke is cheaper now and pills are everywhere, but then i guess everyone has their reasons for their drug of choice, however, if I were to se recreational drugs, I wouldn't choose speed, its just grotty!
Everything in moderation lads...
All the problems I've seen have been by people taking too much and / or too often.
For me taking drugs was an experience - like travelling, some drugs were like going to the most beautiful place ever and some, like speed, were like going to some far off country that I now have no inclination to visit a second time - On the whole drugs were something that taught me a lot about myself and opened my eyes to the world around me.
I am the person I am today from my experiences and have no regrets at all in that respect as I am happy with who I am. However I am obviously sad that a number of my friends have died through taking drugs but like I said above the problem is normally through misuse.
I'm always surprised by peoples attitudes to drugs if they have never tried them - they stand out a mile off. It's really refreshing to see this thread on the whole has some accurate and genuine first hand advice / comments on the subject.
As mr Mackey would say "Drugs are Bad M'kay!"
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intresting take on things. I took loads of drugs between 17 and 23 and don't know anyone that died, a few that went to prison, but mostly a lot, including me, that became borning drop outs.
I wouldn't say I regret it, it was fun, but it added little of value to my life now, and I can't imagine that if I had known people that died it would have improved that position much.
GW -
"you don't know man, you weren't there!"
That's you that is. 😉
I did say I read about it, and I also said I work with people with severe and enduring mental health problems. I also work with a team of mental health professionals, but you carefully snipped that when you re-posted.
My take on it is, it's each to his own but I'd like to try most things once. I guess I have an inquisitive personality. So far I've only tried weed and pills. But one day when I'm a lot older I'd like to try one hit of LSD. I find hallucinogenics are more appealing other drugs. It's incredibly interesting after reading the Calsos Castinda series.
never bothered with speed much. mostly for those reasons given above. used to work at ikea with a guy who was always bang on it. he had the highest kitchen sales figures and his name badge said 'god'.
for me it was always E's or toward the end of my 'career' MDMA.
had some great experiences. met some great people. never got into a fight. experienced trips that are still to this day remembered and relished and retold.
we used to go out with a medical student which was great as she would be telling us what was going on with the chemicals in our bodies as we were all coming up. she's a full blown surgeon now.
remember i always tripped thinking that everyone was wearing a pair of steel framed specs. i'd be going up to people trying to take their 'glasses' off.
or my sisters mate sitting on the curb outside our house all night sh!t scared of coming in and having to talk to my mum.
but as with most things there coms a time to stop and slow down. we used to be going out every friday and saturday for three years as a group geting truly spangled. i was travelling for a year and met my now GF of seven (****!) years. since then i've hardly touched the hard stuff. may be once or twice at a festival. ahh. went to 'V' yeah it is sh!t but we got in for nothing. had some MDMA and had a right laugh. met these two air stewardesses who took me back to their tent..... yeah, was good fun.
have always had a pretty chronic weed habit since i was about 16 but no having been in germany the last year i've hardly touched that either. the police are really hot on it here. i got searched last night just for looking suspect. now i know how the black kids in london feel...
drugs. on the whole, not bad. just be cautious.
J
yeah, what alwyn said. inquisitive personality has a lot to do with it i think.´
from the 'old' group at school there were only two of us into it. another never took anything but did make a shed load of money dealing the stuff. he's pretty much paid for his house now, i think.
DrP is a mental Health Professional. I've seen him jump off right big things. Nutter.
I do think lived experience is valuable, in getting inside the heads of those using drugs. IE, someone who's used Heroin is going to be better placed to empathise with a Heroin addict, than someone who's just read theories in papers. Why so many drugs workers are ex-addicts.
Bit like doing Finite Stress Analysis simulations on a computer, rather than building up a real bike, and testing that...
I really enjoyed it with no probs down under.do get the feeling this site is plauged with know -alls with little experience but lots of advice ! Yes there are risks experimenting with drugs but it's the same with MTBiking.
amphet.
its cheap, it works.
you get what you pay for.
drugks.
none of em are toys, and you can never go back if it all goes tits up.
all the things the media say will happen, can happen, and the wider your circle of involved friends, the more often you will see the shit hit the fan.
so for the dead uns. rip.
for the ones who are better off dead for one reason or another - they know who they are, carry on.
to echo what's already been said, I've had tons of great nights out on speed in my yoof, and always used to just smoke myself out the following morning.
It's pretty dirty as has been said, the come down is like nothing else I've tried (was only into disco liveners and the odd ohm or two, no H or owt like that to compare it with). I personally wouldn't do any nowadays, but then my situation's changed no end. Take me back 10 or 15 years and the answer would most definately be different.
Whatever you decide, be as responsible as possible, and start small. Had a mate who like a plum went into the toilet cubicle with an 1/8th of base which was for everyone to have a dab on and he'd banged the lot (total honest mistake, which made it even funnier at the time). As it was his first or second time taking speed, he was off his tits for a couple of days. He ended up staying on peoples couches for about a week as he couldn't face going home to see his parents. We had to pop round in the daytime while they were at work and grab him some clothes 🙂
I'm not proud of the drugs I've taken, and I certainly wouldn't encourage my kids to do what I have, however I do feel that I have a better understanding of the murkier side of life as a result, whether that's good or bad, you decide
I'm not proud of the drugs I've taken, and I certainly wouldn't encourage my kids to do what I have, however I do feel that I have a better understanding of the murkier side of life as a result, whether that's good or bad, you decide
This is something I've often wondered. Does an "experimental" parent make for an experimental child? And if the child does become experimental, how does the adult deal with it knowing what their child is going through and how they know it messes them up, and how they wouldn't do it now?
Drugs, within reason, each to their own! Alcohol causes far more problems amongst its users in general than any drug does really (well, maybe not heroin perhaps), but it's legal so it's "socially acceptable." The biggest problems occur because of the lack of legality, therefore the crimes that happen in order to make sure the drugs get to the end users can be extreme and often violent. Remove the illegality of the situation, and you'd remove all the drug related crimes. Personally I'd argue that's a far better situation than we have currently! Though of course the average Daily Mail reader would then have nothing to complain about, and that wouldn't be fair now would it 😉
The biggest problem I have with drugs (and I'm including alcohol in this) is why such a large proportion of the human race feel the need to alter their minds in such ways as substance abuse. I know I'm in a minority here, you don't need to point that out to me, but it has always puzzled me as to why you would consciously take enough of a substance as to severely alter your mind into such a state that reality has become a thing of the recent past. Now I like a buzz as much as the next person, I get the adrenaline kicks out of riding a mountain bike fast down a sketchy downhill, I buzz off being in a club dancing away to music I like, or from having amazing sex with an amazing person etc etc. And I love these feelings! And I want to recreate them as often as possible! But why oh why if you know how to attain these feelings naturally do you feel the need to consistently use mind bending drugs (including alcohol) to achieve this situation? Have you just got that little imagination? 😕
FWIW, from the many many hardened drug users I know (including a couple of reformed heroin addicts) everyone is universally damning of Speed as being the dirtiest and worst drug to take.
(and before any of you ask, no I don't drink alcohol either, don't see the need for it!)
I take it none of you are roadies then! 😉
Just say no
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Sunrise, wrong side of another day,
Sky high and six thousand miles away,
Don't know how long I've been awake,
Wound up in an amazing state,
Can't get enough,
And you know it's righteous stuff,
Goes up like prices at Christmas,
Motorhead, you can call me Motorhead, alright
Brain dead, total amnesia,
Get some mental anasthesia,
Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights,
And if I can't be wrong I could be right,
All good clean fun,
Have another stick of gum,
Man, you look better already,
Motorhead, remember me now Motorhead, alright
Fourth day, five day marathon,
We're moving like a parallelogram,
Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights,
I guess I'll see you all on the ice,
I should be tired,
And all I am is wired,
Ain't felt this good for an hour,
Motorhead, remember me now, Motorhead alright
I've had some sort of legal (ish) sped recently - the kind of stuff they give to pilots. You don't really get the high of speed, but you're definitely "up" and the down is much more manageable, still not great though.
Were they ephedrine based diet pills?