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He's certainly buggered up the chances of the LibDems in the Scottish elections.
The only way they might (just might) save the situation is for them to expel him.
I'm sure he'll be eventually rewarded with a seat in the HoL. It seems to be the place for the scum of the political world.
Frustrating to say the least.
Another reason folk are fed up of politicians.
I also think he will blindly serve out his four years, then be awarded seat in the Lords. Grrrr.
Lying about it is a crime but it really didn't impact the result so the court reached the right decision
The court actually ruled it was a lie 🙄 how could they rule otherwise as everyone knows he was lying about leaking it....dearly me jamby 😯
In its final decision, the court agreed with Carmichael’s lawyer, Roddy Dunlop QC, that the case before them hinged on the precise wording of the petition to the court, which referred only to Carmichael’s interview with Channel 4 News and did not complain about any other parts of his conduct.In that interview, Carmichael was not asked whether he had leaked the memo but whether he had known that it existed. He lied about his knowledge of its existence but not about his role in leaking it.
The judges said that lie was designed to protect his own and his party’s political interests, but they had reasonable doubt that this lie was designed to protect Carmichael’s personal character and conduct – the key test under section 106 of the 1983 act.
The judges concluded: “Ultimately, [Carmichael’s] unimpressive response to the inquiry, although showing him in a bad light, and resulting in his constituents being initially misled and then justifiably shocked and dismayed on discovering that they had been so misled, cannot alter our conclusion that section 106 does not, on a proper application of the law to the facts proved, apply in this case.”
jambalaya - MemberLying about it is a crime but it really didn't impact the result so the court reached the right decision
He had a majority of 817. You really think that if his lies had been exposed before the election, it couldn't have changed the result? He obviously thought it could, that's why he cynically used the investigation to delay his admission til after the election.
The really sad thing is the party's response imo. It's like they don't want to rebuild public confidence.
[i]He had a majority of 817[/i]
Seems at odds with the 'wouldn't impact the result' decision..., hmmm.
There won't be another referendum for at least a generation.
Fooled you, we were kidding/lying.
I think Rennie is misguided in defending him TBH.
Serious detachment from how the general (voting) public view it.
Talk about giving themselves a bad name..
Apparently it's cost him about £150,000 in legals.
I wonder what are his chances of getting all of this back.
I think he's planning to retrieve his legal costs from the complainants. This will only reinforce his standing as an odious shit
I don't know where Jambalaya gets the idea that his 800 majority wouldn't be impacted by people knowing about his actions. Could that be the 5th time he is wrong since STW started?
STeady on with such untruths
Jambyfacts are never wrong as shown by the fact he was wrong on that thread
IMHO I thought that was him just taing the piss and proof he was just trolling the hell out of us as not even he is that "detached"
I call him a troll tbh as what he says and reality are some distance apart
FWIW one can have opinions but only jamby wants to have opinions about facts
I think he's planning to retrieve his legal costs from the complainants. This will only reinforce his standing as an odious shit
Absolutely he should apply for costs, it's up to the court to decide if he should be awarded them. The folk bringing the action did so at no cost to them (crowd funded) and where well aware of the potential financial downside if they lost. Those that donated to the crowd funding should stump up for costs if awarded
Orkney didn't want the SNP. He didn't write the piece. The court ruled it didn't impact the result. Its absoutely in the SNPs interest to have a Tory government as it plays to their independence strategy and Westminster "elite" messaging
As per various blogs Salmonds lies about getting legal advice on Scotland's EU status is much more significant.
I go for three blatant [s]lies [/s] jambyfacts in that post.
The court ruled it didn't impact the result.
THEY STILL DONT MAKE ANY RULING ON THIS
On the plus side at least you did not repeat the claim that he was not found to have lied so baby steps eh Mr 100% one hand man
4/10 not your best work.
I bow out of engaging with obvious troll
Jambalaya you are Alistair Carmichael.Keep the £5 you'll only claim it back anyway.
He lied. The court ruled so. It was a technicality that got him off.
I don't know anyone who supports independence who thinks having a Tory govt is in the slightest bit in Scotland's interests.
As to whether it affected the result, that anyone's guess. He went into the election as a trusted long term MP and won a very narrow victory. Judging by the reaction in Orkney to the lie, he's wrecked the LibDem chances in the Scottish elections in 2016.
But the most significant thing about this affair is that it demonstrates how hard it is to bring a dishonest politician to book.
Oh, and we will continue to crowdfund the Orkney Four so they suffer no loss.
He lied, the judges' report said so. We can all describe him as a liar without any risk of any formal action. He lied. The government's internal enquiry cost a million or so, as a result of his lies.
He's an Elder of the Church, and a Solicitor. This doesn't stand well with being a liar. I suspect the Church and the Law Society are wondering what to do if this doesn't go away quickly.
Parliamentary standards investigation also to be negotiated as well which is going to be tricky for the liar given the costs etc
Guys. A politician is a liar. This is worth 6 pages?
Plus he had his own crowdfunding thing - only raised £8500, but he's not declared it in the Register of Members' Interests.
Naughty.
jambalaya - MemberThe court ruled it didn't impact the result.
CITATION NEEDED
I think Jamba's forgotten that the original case was bought by four of the electorate against a deadline, not knowing the possible outcome of the crowd funding appeal. ISTR they needed to raise £6000 as a deposit. If the case had gone against them, they'd have lost homes and all. One's career would have ended.
That's why the crowdfunding is important. To me it's a democratic thing, shining a light on stuff an MP would rather we all forgot. How often do you hear them say 'Let's move on'?
He lied.
His next return to Orkney should make the news that day.
Guys. A politician is a liar. This is worth 6 pages?
Yes it's really about whether we have democratic elections or not.
Its one of those it really is a shocking state of affairs for our democracy that a serving minister can lie and this is deemed ok in terms of the electoral event this influenced.
I realise we cannot get honourable people who are above impropriety but FFS do we really have to tolerate fraudsters as our representatives.
As for the Lib dems and democracy they really should be embarassed and someone needs to force this liar to stand aside as clearly he is a morality vacuum who has cost us all credibility and money
Carmichael's stance on dishonest politicians (other than himself).
[url= http://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2010/11/12/letter-from-westminster-49 ]Oh, the irony![/url] 🙂
The cost decision has been released: AC has to pay his own. It couldn't happen to a nicer chap.
The Orkney Four are covered by the crowd funding, I believe.
Nelson Muntz quoted as saying "A-ha!"
He's an Elder of the Church, and a Solicitor. This doesn't stand well with being a liar. I suspect the Church and the Law Society are wondering what to do if this doesn't go away quickly.
Unless I'm looking it up wrong, Carmichael isn't a solicitor in Scotland or England and Wales.
He was a solicitor until 2001 - i.e. until he was elected as an MP
It's marvellous. Don't forget he wasn't only after his costs, he was after punitive damages. He wanted to punish his constituents for trying to hold him to account, and he wanted to make a financial profit from lying. Instead, we all know he's a lying liar, and now he has to pay for it.