Can't speak for London, but it was a bit of a mess in Sheffield last night.

also near us in market rasen....

Sheffield is always a mess. Add a bit of torrential rain and the roads start lifting up, the supermarkets are flooded and the place is full of floating Range Rovers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-62567121

Amber warnings for thunderstorms now.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

also near us in market rasen….

The going is soft to sodden.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

We coped by the fact these events were less frequent and less severe.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

Tell me again how things were better in your day .....

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag.

We've always been warned when the met office thinks that dangerous weather conditions are on the way. That just happens far more often now. Partly down to computer power enabling better modelling, partly to do with the fact we've utterly ****ed the climate.

And alerts or warning systems are a great idea. In Louth, about 15 miles east of Mkt Rasen 23 (IIRC) people died in a flash flood in 1920. There’s been a flood warning siren ever since.

And alerts or warning systems are a great idea. In Louth, about 15 miles east of Mkt Rasen 23 (IIRC) people died in a flash flood in 1920. There’s been a flood warning siren ever since.

But maybe not yellow warnings for rain, which is just normal winter rain which makes you a bit damp.

Friend of ours' house was flooded yesterday in South Wales.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

People used to die occasionally. It's well documented.

But maybe not yellow warnings for rain, which is just normal winter rain which makes you a bit damp.

Yellow warning
Thunderstorm

What to expect
- Flooding of homes and businesses could happen quickly, with damage to some buildings from floodwater, lightning strikes, hail or strong winds
- Fast flowing or deep floodwater is possible, causing a danger to life
- Where flooding or lightning strikes occur, there is a chance of delays and some cancellations to train and bus services
- Spray and sudden flooding could lead to difficult driving conditions and some road closures
- Power cuts might occur and other services to some homes and businesses could be lost

You might not want to have a heads up of what might be coming... in which case just ignore the warnings and carry on. I'd be very surprised if they are not useful to others.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

I bet you can’t actually recall when that happened.

But maybe not yellow warnings for rain, which is just normal winter rain which makes you a bit damp.

What to expect
Flooding of homes and businesses could happen quickly, with damage to some buildings from floodwater, lightning strikes, hail or strong winds
Fast flowing or deep floodwater is possible, causing a danger to life
Where flooding or lightning strikes occur, there is a chance of delays and some cancellations to train and bus services
Spray and sudden flooding could lead to difficult driving conditions and some road closures
Power cuts might occur and other services to some homes and businesses could be lost

That's the yellow warning for thunderstorms, isn't it? Which is almost identical to the amber warning:

Thunderstorms causing some flooding and disruption.

- Flooding of homes and businesses is likely and could happen quickly, with damage to some buildings from floodwater, lightning strikes, hail or strong winds
- Fast flowing or deep floodwater is likely, causing danger to life
- Where flooding or lightning strikes occur, delays and some cancellations to train and bus services are likely
- Spray and sudden flooding probably leading to difficult driving conditions and some road closures
- Some communities likely to become cut off if roads flood
- Power cuts likely to occur and other services to some homes and businesses could be lost

Yes, you are right that there is useful info there, maybe, but if people click on yellow warnings of rain regularly and encounter normal seasonal rain - which happened to me many times last winter - then eventually they start ignoring the warnings. These things should be used for exceptional events, which are occurring more frequently, and not for normal seasonal weather.

It's the thunderstorms yellow warning, yes, because they have one of those on their site. Can't see when there was last a "yellow warning for rain". Are they frequent? Do you have a description for them? If they are for "normal winter rain", what happens when "normal winter rain" lands on hard baked mid-summer drought hit land...? Might some people want to plan around the possibility of that happening? It's clear you don't think that you need/want to... so perhaps then this warnings aren't for you and you can ignore? The met office isn't tasked with tailoring their warnings for just you and only you.

Flood warnings are useful, I reckon my friend would have been happier had they heeded the warning and moved their stuff upstairs.

I was simply referring to how much everything is overly dramatised in the news these days, chill your boots 😉

In your opinion. I happen to think that the effects of climate change on our everyday lives is still being downplayed. Weather warnings are useful, to many people.... that there are now more of them isn't down to the Met office or media channels being more dramatic now than they were at some non-specific period in the near but rose tinted past. It is because our climate is changing. Fast.

Yeah well over played. Arwen was just a light breeze.

We had yellow warning for thunderstorms for Monday and Tuesday, they didn’t appear which is a shame love a bit thunder.

Sorry about those affected by the rain, show how London centric the papers and bbc are.

It’s the thunderstorms yellow warning, yes, because they have one of those on their site.

So why is it almost identical to the amber warning? Do we need two levels of warning when the only difference is : – Some communities likely to become cut off if roads flood and that little bit of hazard is hidden in the rest of the almost identical text?

And yes, yellow rain warnings are a thing.

Well I’d have loved a warning to get out of my house before it was destroyed in March if I’m honest.

So why is it almost identical to the amber warning?

Because the only big difference is that more people are likely to be effected? Flooding can be like that.

I mean, what is it you are moaning about? That there are more warnings? You can just ignore the warnings. Others can plan using the warnings as a guide. Why do you want them not to get the information they want or need, just because you feel you don't want or need it? What's the alternative... "Floods are more likely, so let's stop warning people when they might occur"... why would you want that?

I mean, what is it you are moaning about? That there are more warnings? You can just ignore the warnings.

That's the danger. Give too many warnings and you lose the interest of the people who should be taking notice.

If you live in a flood risk property, or your normal route home from work is prone to flooding, why do you want to hear about flood risks less often.... if the truth is that the flood risks are more often? "Sorry you're stuck and we didn't warn you, we want you to take our less frequent warnings more seriously".

If you live in a flood risk property, or your normal route home from work is prone to flooding, why do you want to hear about flood risks less often…. if the truth is that the flood risks are more often?

My point, I guess, is that the yellow warning was introduced to warn us of less severe weather. Not quite amber or red. Heavy rains, higher winds, etc, the sort of thing that happens plenty of times a year. If the truth is that flooding, which you seem concerned about, is going to become more common, why did we need another category? We'd just have more amber or red warnings.

I'm not disagreeing with you about climate change, just about the categorisation.

Yellow Warning: Yellow warnings can be issued for a range of weather situations. Many are issued when it is likely that the weather will cause some low level impacts, including some disruption to travel in a few places. Many people may be able to continue with their daily routine, but there will be some that will be directly impacted and so it is important to assess if you could be affected. Other yellow warnings are issued when the weather could bring much more severe impacts to the majority of people but the certainty of those impacts occurring is much lower. It is important to read the content of yellow warnings to determine which weather situation is being covered by the yellow warning.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/guides/warnings

If you think they're not needed, just ignore them. Others need and use them. This is where your own knowledge of your own situation plays it part. But, remember, others are not in the same situation as you.

Cracking the flags in Manchester, we had a little light rain this morning, early on. Not enough to water my plants.

Just had a flood alert pop up for Matlock on my Amazon Show - MET office saying no rain today and light rain tomorrow. At least sing off the same hymn sheet

People used to die occasionally. It’s well documented.

Yes, but what you have to weigh up is the fact most people don't care at all about other people dying, but they do find Yellow weather warnings highly offensive if they are not followed by near death experiences 100% of the time. So obviously the right thing to do is just not have any warnings if the probability is less than 100% and accept that other people dying is a price well worth paying for the peace and quiet.

Environment Agency flood alert map showing an interesting spread around That There London.

EA flood warnings in Derbyshire now withdrawn as the storms have passed.

Just had a flood alert pop up for Matlock on my Amazon Show – MET office saying no rain today and light rain tomorrow. At least sing off the same hymn sheet

Does it not occur to you that there might be a delay in heavy rain working its way down the tributaries and into the main rivers - its not instantaneous.

Given where you live, and the millions of pounds and weeks of disruption that they are putting in to shore up the Matlock flood defences, I'd have hoped you'd think it through a bit more.

That’s the danger. Give too many warnings and you lose the interest of the people who should be taking notice.

Maybe they don't need to take notice, however people living near rivers, or who have cellars, or commute under bridges that flood, etc etc probably do.

Hmmm, on holiday knowing we have a leak in our - North London - roof but only when it rains heavily.

Should I send the in-laws round?

I’m not disagreeing with you about climate change, just about the categorisation.

Had you considered that having more granularity/levels of warnings might be useful when there are more warnings to issue due to increased frequency of higher risk weather patterns? Without a yellow level of warnings being available to them, the Met might have to issue more amber level warnings.

Kryton57

Hmmm, on holiday knowing we have a leak in our – North London – roof but only when it rains heavily.

Should I send the in-laws round?

Might be a good idea, if its safe for them to do so!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62574134

Good job you don't live in Worksop....

BBC News - Worksop: Heavy rainfall causes flash flooding in town
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-62573082

In Louth, about 15 miles east of Mkt Rasen 23 (IIRC) people died in a flash flood in 1920. There’s been a flood warning siren ever since.

isnt that really annoying... or is it like living near the railway, you kinda get used to it

In Lincs/Northants a lot of the flood sirens have been removed. EA encourages people to sign up for the free flood alert service.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

I know this is a troll, but in my experience the same people who have this kind of attitude, are the same ones demanding why something wasn’t done when their house floods etc.

Not sure how we coped before they gave every little bit of heat/cold/rain a dramatic warning tag

YAWN! A similar song to the hot weather warnings, you are Grant Shapps (or whatever your name is this evening) AICMFP.

He's a geeza though, just got back from 52deg C site visit and is now sat on his caravan toilet drinking Skol Super and eating dead pig snacks whilst on the phone to his imaginary friends telling them how he wound up the liberal lefties on that well rubbish bike forum.

Plus there's the added bonus of the caravan toilet handily doubling up as a sauna in the heatwave 'cos today just aint hot enough you Pussies!

Is he a troll? - probably

Just north west of Cambridge, I've not seen a drop of this so called rain still. For all the headlines (including the local rag), it seems to have been concentrated in other areas.

Gosh, I got paid back big time for my little quip yesterday. I didn’t ask the MIL to check our house but she decided she would anyway. Took her two hours to go seven miles through North London past abandoned cars and water up to the door sills of her X1 (the new road, pickets lock mainly affected). Luckily she’s returned home safe with the message “I put your bins out for you” 😳

Then, I was awoken in the Balearics at 4am as a tropical storm went over the island. Reported seven foot waves, palm trees at an alarming angle, very heavy rain and continuous lightening for about an hour. This is my second tropical storm plus one hurricane and the noise / force of nature within each has never failed to be extremely alarming.

I was simply referring to how much everything is overly dramatised in the news these days

That depends on the news sources you choose. The Met Office themselves are terribly British about these things, it's the rags and click-hunters who over-dramatise it. The other kind of terrible British.

Nice to see our infrastructure is coping well as ever.

https://twitter.com/RevRichardColes/status/1560176318586691587

James Obrien is talking about the Poo-Namini on LBC at the moment

whilst on the phone to his imaginary friends telling them how he wound up the liberal lefties on that well rubbish bike forum.

Forum is fine, I love it. My mates are definitely more fun than yours though 😉

I don't have any that's why  I'm here

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