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DO they not have MRI scanners in other countries
Quite how this can indicate his mental health puzzles me as is reported by the BBC
Has he got a rusty hook or something?
The only thing affecting his mental health is the word; SUPERMAX. 😆
Get him on the plane.
Powerful supercooled magnet, Steel hook, what could go wrong......!
DrP
How do MRI scanners fit into the remit of medieval belief systems?
See ya! Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out eh?
I would have thought getting folks to blow stuff up would not be a normal mental thought process But the judge might not agree
All the radiographers (is that what they're called?) when I had my MRI were women.
How does that sit with captain 'sharia' hook?
Dave
Perhaps if his health is so poor, as they claim, we could pack him off on a plane in the other direction. Dignitas?
He needs a check-up from the neck up.
We are paying for all of this is my only view.
It does grate to see them taking the piss with our legal system arguing about inhumane treatment, getting unwell etc.
Hard to see it as anything other than delaying tactics
Powerful supercooled magnet, Steel hook, what could go wrong......!
I don't know what you mean 😛
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Andy
I'm baffled as to why he's still here...
So what's the problem with a British citizen receiving medical care? Should we limit such treatment to those who fit into a nice acceptable profile?
Or should we be proud that we live in a nation which treats all human beings equally, regardless of how much of a bastard they are?
Small plane, autopilot, half full tanks of fuel, atlantic ocean.............sorted........
Hi Mike
*waves*
Thank god you've arrived to bring some common sense as to the correct manner we should be treating mass-murdering, Jihadist, terrorist piss-takers
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Maybe we should pay for him to go private?
He can pick up a few souvenirs at the airport
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Oh no I hope hes ok. Heres to you Abu, you'll get the all clear or at the very least you'll get better medical care in the US anyway x
to be fair, being followed around by crocodile with an alarm clock inside it would drive anyone mad.
at the very least you'll get better medical care in the US anyway
(rises to the bait)
OK - justify that statement.
OK - justify that statement.
It'd be better because it isn't here, it's there and they'd be paying for it
ie much better
better = at no cost to me. Happy days.
Not wanting to be nasty or anything, but I hope he dies a slow painful death. 8)
Did I say medical care or did I mean medical attention? 8)
Does the R in MRI stand for rendition?
He really did call his son 'Mohammed Mustafa Kamel'?
Nah, that can't be right.......... 😆
duntstick braving retribution from both jihadists and people who hate rubbish jokes.
Muslim renditions infdel is what he asking for iirc
No, check wiki!
Personally, I'm glad the British justice system is being run by people a tad more rational, thoughtful, intelligent and less prejudiced than some people on here.
He really did call his son 'Mohammed Mustafa Kamel'?
So, that's amusing to you because it sounds like something in English. Do you often laugh at funny forein type peoples' names? Yay, let's laugh at foreigners. Even better if they're disabled, eh?
Laughing at foreign names is ace yes!
Randy Bumgardener?
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Even better if they're disabled, eh?
To be fair Mike, we only laugh at the ones who think they're pirates
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR
Laughing at foreign names is ace yes!
+1
Especially if they're bloodthirsty criminals. Is hoping for complications during a MRI a bit of a long shot?
Personally, I'm glad the British justice system is being run by people a tad more rational, thoughtful, intelligent and less prejudiced than some people on here
Of course you are or else you, like he , would not be able to take the piss with your CM celebrations.
Imagine the regime he would like to create would do in the face of a protest from an infidel
I am spilt tbh and get your view but also have a bit of the live by the sword die by the sword type thing. It is quite galling to see him using the system he hates like this tbh and us giving him more than he would give hios opponents
Maybe his flight out to the US will include a 2 week stop over at Bagram, sightseeing and what have you , I'm sure they could tend to any medical needs he has whilst there.
Sorry Mike but it's hard to have any sympathy for a certified hypocrite. For a bloke who hates the west so much, he's trying bloody hard to stay here...
Hi Mike*waves*
Thank god you've arrived to bring some common sense as to the correct manner we should be treating mass-murdering, Jihadist, terrorist piss-takers
He's a mass murderer? News to me. When was he convicted?
Even trolling requires consistency -
mikeconnor - Member
So what's the problem with a British citizen receiving medical care?
mikeconnor - Member
Yay, let's laugh at foreigners.
So is he foreign or British (iyo)...
Personally, I'm glad the British justice system is being run by people a tad more rational, thoughtful, intelligent and less prejudiced than some people on here.
It is?
Isn't this just due process in action, rather than a reflection of the prejudices and intellect of those carrying it out?
The same system that banged up all those critical mass pedalists.
Laughing at foreign names is ace yes!
to a 10-year old or similarly immature person, maybe.
Randy Bumgardener?
Is a name derived from 'Baumgartner'; literally translated as 'tree gardner'. Or a person who worked in an orchard. Same as 'Smith' is a name derived from a person's trade as a blacksmith, for example. Names are fascinating. Even funny foreign ones.
I'd be interested to read a justification of why someone should be denied essential medical care in a nation which prides itself as being a 'civilised country' and one which esposes the importance of upholding justice, equality and human rights. Or maybe we should just suspend such rights for those who we don't like because of their politics, religious views, disabilities or skin colour?
I'd be interested to read a justification of why someone should be denied essential medical care in a nation which prides itself as being a 'civilised country' and one which esposes the importance of upholding justice, equality and human rights.
If he uses an iPhone?
So, that's amusing to you because it sounds like something in English. Do you often laugh at funny forein type peoples' names? Yay, let's laugh at foreigners.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ben-dover-and-phil-mcavity ]Just for "Trying to hard to be PC" mike[/url]
Or maybe we should just suspend such rights for those who we don't like because of their politics, religious views, disabilities or skin colour?
it seems to work for other parts of the world so "maybe" your right
I have to admit whoever is following this to the letter of the law making sure there are no slip ups must be having a bit of a bum clencher at the mo
I'd recommend a good herbal tea. Bless, I bet hes abit upset at the prospect.
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Or maybe we should just suspend such rights for those who we don't like because of their politics, religious views, disabilities or skin colour?
What an absurd thing to say. Nobody has suggested anything based on skin colour, disabilities, even politics or religious views. It's been based on him being a wanted criminal, so don't skew things to suit your own argument.
I'd be interested to read a justification of why someone should be denied essential medical care in a nation which prides itself as being a 'civilised country'
Would a justification be that said medical care isn't required at all, but is just a pathetically transparent stalling tactic to prevent him facing the justice he so richly deserves?
For a man so avowed to the destruction of the Great Satan, he seems remarkably reluctant to go and have it out with them himself. Though I note no such hesitation when sending gullible half-wits to go and do the same on his behalf
Do they not have medical care in America? I know it isn't that good in some other regimes that'd quite like to have a word with him about a few things
Sorry Mike but it's hard to have any sympathy for a certified hypocrite. For a bloke who hates the west so much, he's trying bloody hard to stay here...
Interesting, that Hamza himself is quoted as saying that Britain is "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted".
Granted, he does appear to be a tad unsavoury, and his views are a little extreme to say the least. but personally, I feel he should be treated with all the medical care a human being deserves, regarldess of any other consideration. Because if we as a nation failed to do so, then we fail as a humane and egalitarian society.
As for those who advocate Hamza being denied medical care, as well as possibly being tortured/killed etc; how do you think you fundamentally differ to a man who does not believe in erquality, and would see those different and opposed to himself murdered? Seeing as you appear to share similar ideals?
The same system that banged up all those critical mass pedalists.
I read an article in the Law gazette yesterday, about a solicitor who represented 30 of the 182 arrested. Unsurprisingly, out of those 182, the police will be taking no further actin against all but 16 of them. which opens the probability of wrongful arrest suits being filed.
The 'system' isn't perfect, but is it nor our duty as citizens, in a 'civilised country', to ensure we try to make it so?
If he uses an iPhone?
Dont worry he would never be able to find his way to the hospital with that piece of crap
a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted".
source - google was of little help
The 'system' isn't perfect, but is it nor our duty as citizens, in a 'civilised country', to ensure we try to make it so?
thanks to you and your mates provocative actions i can feel that day getting ever closer , no really I can.
Mike you have a point but its also fair to say so do those who are saying the opposite of you
If he uses an iPhone?
Dont worry he would never be able to find his way to the hospital with that piece of crap
ha ha! Be careful, lest you invoke the wrath of the fundamentalists.
Granted, he does appear to be a tad unsavoury, and his views are a little extreme to say the least.
And there we have it. Understatement of the decade. Whats your views on Hitler Mike? Just a bit misunderstood? Bless him. If only someone would have sat him down, put a welcoming arm around his shoulder, and tried to get to the bottom of why he doesn't like those Jewish folk?
could you use a touch screen with a hook?
What an absurd thing to say. Nobody has suggested anything based on skin colour, disabilities, even politics or religious views. It's been based on him being a wanted criminal, so don't skew things to suit your own argument.
Various comments alluded to his religious beliefs, his disability and his culture. As for him being a 'wanted criminal; he hs been convicted of various offences in the Uk, but for nothing more than being a shouty racist bastard really. I can't find any evidence of him having been convicted of any other crime, just lots of allegations. I'm not saying he's innocent, but surely everyone accused of crime has the right to defend themselves, no? And if we are to go on the premise of 'innocent until proven guilty', then aren't claims about him being a 'mass murderer' a tad libellous? the whole issue with his exrtradition is that it will be to a country not exactly famous for having equality of justice and humane standards in detention.
As for the 'PC' crap being slung my way; how sad that the only defence of the ignorant is to start spouting rubbish like that. i'm simply one who feels that law, order and justice must be fair and equal at all times. I'm sorry that you don't feel the dsame.
Interesting, that Hamza himself is quoted as saying that Britain is "a paradise, where you could do anything you wanted"
hes not wrong is he ?where else on the planet could you spout vitriol like that and not get banged up or stoned ,the adventurer in me wants just bob on over to the holyland and set out my anti mohammed stall but i fear my live televised burning might come all too soon
recentley in another story anti mohammed guy got banged up in hours and poor old Rushdie is still hiding in a wardrobe somewhere
On a quick note theres been a nock on the door
I'm not saying he's innocent, but surely everyone accused of crime has the right to defend themselves, no?
That's exactly what he's been invited over to the good 'ol U S of A to do Michael. It generally tends to be the point of extradition proceedings. Did you miss that bit?
I hope he dies soon, the racist, hypocritical, Anglo hating c&8nt!
Various comments alluded to his religious beliefs, his disability and his culture.
People are allowed to comment though aren't they mike? Nobody has suggested that's he's bad because he's a muslim/brown etc.
As for him being a 'wanted criminal; he hs been convicted of various offences in the Uk, but for nothing more than being a shouty racist bastard really.[b] I can't find any evidence of him having been convicted of any other crime[/B]
He was found guilty on Six Counts of Soliciting Murder ?
Slightly worse than "being a bit shouty" wouldn't you say 🙄
for balance; I hope he dies soon, the racist, hypocritical, non-Anglo hating c&8nt!
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And if we are to go on the premise of 'innocent until proven guilty', then aren't claims about him being a 'mass murderer' a tad libellous?
Well, a bit strong, perhaps, and he's welcome to sue, I guess, although it's debatable whether someone already convicted and jailed for soliciting murder has much of a reputation to base his libel claim on.
What exactly is this 'deterioration' he's claiming? No doubt something rather intangible and resistant to firm diagnosis. Last gasp stalling by his legal team, who would probably be better employed in the service of someone who really needs representation in our courts.
for balance; I hope he dies soon, the racist, hypocritical, non-Anglo hating c&8nt!
Too right! They're both as bad as each other in my books. Both should except that Britain is made up of a mix of cultures, and the general exceptance of this is what make this country what it is!
I thought he was supposed to go to Jordan not the USA.
[i]I thought he was supposed to go to Jordan not the USA.[/i]
that woman's got a lot to answer for then.
He's being extradited to Peter Andre's old bedroom? 😯
he could try the 'cruel and unusual' punishment appeal next then, I guess.
And exclamation marks.
Don't forget those, very important.
hes not wrong is he ?where else on the planet could you spout vitriol like that and not get banged up or stoned ,the adventurer in me wants just bob on over to the holyland and set out my anti mohammed stall but i fear my live televised burning might come all too soon
And doesn't that make you feel proud to be British, to live in a nation where freedom of speech is the right of every single person here? and that we have a legal system that treats everyone fairly and without prejudice?
Last gasp stalling by his legal team, who would probably be better employed in the service of someone who really needs representation in our courts.
Oh without doubt. They will be on big money for such a high-profile case. But those involved will be using every single letter of the law to defend their client, as they should be expected to. and i think it's important that such cases are given such attention, as it shows that our legal system is working as it should.
That's exactly what he's been invited over to the good 'ol U S of A to do Michael. It generally tends to be the point of extradition proceedings. Did you miss that bit?
no, but I missed the bit where he will indeed get a fair trial in a country known for a rather less than fair legal system (Jordan or the USA, I don't think it matters in this respect).
then aren't claims about him being a 'mass murderer' a tad libellous?
nope
no, but I missed the bit where he will indeed get a fair trial in a country known for a rather less than fair legal system.
Can you please supply me with any evidence that he wouldn't receive a fair trail please? Its just that the High Court, The House of Lords and the European Court of Human Rights all reckon that he will.
Unless you know something they don't..... ?
You guys you're so funny. Abu Qatada was to be extradited to Jordan you know that country in the Middle East. Not Abu Hamza.
http://news.sky.com/story/989801/abu-hamza-in-high-court-extradition-challenge
Can you please supply me with any evidence that he wouldn't receive a fair trail please?
sure. It's called Guantanamo bay.
He's not going to Guantanamo Bay though, is he? As that is reserved for 'enemy combatants' captured in war zones. Or Bagram airbase. or Ascension Isle. Or Jordan. Or the Hague. or Benidorm
So... evidence he won't receive a fair trial please
And doesn't that make you feel proud to be British, to live in a nation where freedom of speech is the right of every single person here? and that we have a legal system that treats everyone fairly and without prejudice
Yes , except when someone is taking the piss out of it.
i think it's important that such cases are given such attention, as it shows that our legal system is working as it should
Pretty sur eit is designed to dish out justice - we are at 8 years in and still no justioce here [ whatever the verdict] so i dont think it is actually working and if it is we could speed it up by a few years.
I missed the bit where he will indeed get a fair trial
inshallah
He's not going to Guantanamo Bay though, is he?
You asked for evidence that somoene extradited to the USA won\'t get a fair trial. So i mentioned Gitmo, where hundreds of inmates who have been extradited to the USA have ended up. Many habve been there for years without trial. Many have been released without ever standing trial. Imprisonment without trial is something the ECHR is against, but Gitmo isn't on US soil, so doesn't count.
As that is reserved for 'enemy combatants' captured in war zones
Is it really? I suggest you read up on Moazzem Begg, then. Who was arrested in Islamabad, ****stand, then handed over to US officials and subsequently rendited to Gitmo. He was not an 'enemy combatant captured in a war zone'.
You asked for evidence that [b]somoene[/b] extradited to the USA won\'t get a fair trial.
No I didn't. I asked specifically why [b]ABU HAMZA[/b] (the person this thread is about, lest we forget) won't receive a fair trial.
Fire away....
You asked for evidence that somoene extradited to the USA won\'t get a fair trial. So i mentioned Gitmo, where hundreds of inmates who have been extradited to the USA have ended up
I didn't think that any of the gitmo residents had been extradited? I thought that they had been rendered?
He was not an 'enemy combatant captured in a war zone'.
Oh yes... one of those 'on holiday' from Birmingham, in the mountains between ****stan and Afghanistan, in the middle of a war, who just wandered inadvertently close to a terrorist training camp?
Yip... entirely believable story, that. Do you ever open the door to salesmen Mike? I would kindly suggest you don't
EDIT: In his own words.....
Begg admits spending time at two Islamic militant training camps in Afghanistan, supporting militant Muslim fighters, buying a rifle and a handgun, that he "thought about" taking up arms in Chechnya, and being an acquaintance of people linked to terrorism (most notably, Khalil al-Deek, Dhiren Barot, and Shahid Akram Butt), he denies the remainder of the U.S.'s allegations.
Nope.. you're right Mike... how, in the name of Allah, did the poor lamb end up being classed as an 'enemy combatant' 🙄
No I didn't. I asked specifically why ABU HAMZA (the person this thread is about, lest we forget) won't receive a fair trial.
because many of those who have been extradited to the USA haven't recieved fair trials. How much more 'evidence do you need?
Did Osama bin Laden get a fair trial?
Hand him over and let Uncle Sam treat him, yo
They have the fantastic medical facilities but you have to pay for it
get him fit and healthy - then torture the crap out of him
then maybe give him a trial
namby pamby nanny state
because many of those who have been extradited to the USA haven't recieved fair trials
And you saying that is 'evidence'?
Did Osama bin Laden get a fair trial?
When was he extradited?
Did Osama bin Laden get a fair trial?
Did he deserve one? Can you find me the bit where he denies murdering thousands of people on 9/11. I know he's a bit of a wallflower, but from memory I seem to recall he was quite proud of the fact. And may have subsequently made the odd mention of it in his televised Fanzines
Feel free to prove me wrong though. You're doing well so far. If only Hooky had had him defending him eh?