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An even fairer point MF, misread your post. But gays and doggers are members of the public and have the right to pursue their interests. We set aside, and publicise, beaches for nudists, why not other special interest groups?
But gays and doggers are members of the public and have the right to pursue their interests. We set aside, and publicise, beaches for nudists, why not other special interest groups?
Yes, true, but they don't have the right to pursue them [i]in public[/i], and the segregation of public toilets and FC car parks into shagging/non-shagging sections probably isn't realistic. In any case, I suspect (based on nothing, I admit) that it's the public aspect that's part of the kink for both doggers and cottagers. If it were just about the shagging, then they could go to any number of swingers' clubs and gay bars, surely?
I'll admit to playing devils advocate a bit here, but my point is that sex is not intrisically bad, and if we start banning stuff because we find it distasteful then where does it end?
The FC puts a fair effort into segregating walkers from bikers, why not extend that principle
sex is not intrisically bad, and if we start banning stuff because we find it distasteful then where does it end?
Absolutely not, neither is taking a shit or being naked. But it is simply a case of behaving in what is widely regarded as decent behaviour in a public place.
If someone was trying to ban gay sex in the privacy of your own home then fair enough, but this discussion isn't about that.
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Cottaging is generally the act of going to a known rendezvous such as a public toilet and engaging in sexual acts with a total stranger or even group of strangers. I happen to know becuase as a student I worked for a number of years in a gay pub. The practice is often frowned upon by gay men, as it does encourage a very negative reaction toward gay men in the straight community. Not to mention the fact that it has also led to a wholesale destruction of public toilets across the country. Think about it, how often do you see public places where the loo has gone? There is a reason.
Personally, I find GM particularly distasteful, due to his arrogance and failure to
blah blah blah blahblah... oh, get a F+CKING LIFE!!!! 🙄
Absolutely not, neither is taking a shit or being naked. But it is simply a case of behaving in what is widely regarded as decent behaviour in a public place.
Ah but we do tolerate public nudity in designated, publicised areas, even taking a shit is allowed in public toilets :-).
The public place bit - I wonder if it's because some of the participants can't take it home.
Hanging around a FC car park in the middle of the day in broad daylight as a support crew for a rider in an event the other week we noticed a lot (and I mean a lot - 4 or 5 an hour) of vehicles coming into the car park with a single bloke. They would hang around for a few mins, staring at us then go on their way. A lot of them were in builder/decorators vans and the like. Around the car park we must have found 20-30 used condoms discarded on the floor. After a few hours a FC worker turned up to clear up the car park & empty the bins. Having a chat with him apparently this was a well known gay rendezvous spot and he thought a lot of the cars and vans pitching up would have been there to play but had been put off by our presence. He also said he came by this car park every other day and the condoms on the floor would have been just 48hrs worth 😯 .
I know its putting two and two together, but I'm wondering how many of these blokes were leading "straight" lives with wives and kids and this was just a bit of something else on the side therefore could not take it home.
even taking a shit is allowed in public toilets
And if two adult men were having sex in a public toilet, with the door closed, they would be very unlucky to be charged with anything.
But if a gay man propositioned someone with his member out and standing to attention in a public toilet he probably would be charged with public indecency. And so would a straight man.
I know its putting two and two together, but I'm wondering how many of these blokes were leading "straight" lives with wives and kids and this was just a bit of something else on the side therefore could not take it home.
Perhaps, but it isn't an excuse to do it in a public place still.
Youre right enough mate, it is a decency issue rather than one based on sexuality, and converts post illustrates the unpleasant fallout for others. I am just umcomfortable comdemning people for their choice of recreation. I accept that it is sometimes neccesary but I think we need to be careful that we dont draw the line unfairly. For me playing devils advocate is a way of considering this.
Thinking about it tho, didnt i read recently that we do have a legal right to outdoor sex, provided you could reasonably expect to be unobserved? Maybe thats the key then.
didnt i read recently that we do have a legal right to outdoor sex, provided you could reasonably expect to be unobserved?
That wouldn't surprise me - they couldn't possibly legislate against people having whatever consensual sex they wish to have if it is unobserved. But the minute someone catches them they are observed and lay themselves open to charges being made - if it could be proven they didn't take reasonable steps to ensure they weren't.
But we have all done it haven't we? (Outdoor sex that is, not picking up gay men in public toilets).
They could put up signs, camo netting and all sorts.... Achtung Dogging!! with a skull and crossbones! If you ventured further then if you got an eyeful that's your problem! 😯
Turn into the wrong carpark and you've got a windscreen like a plasterers radio 🙂
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Interesting thread this - there seems to have been argument/discussion but people are actually understanding other people's opinions and accepting fair comments.
Most un-STW-like.
Just a thought chaps.
When I was studying Eng Lit my lecturer commented of Thomas Hardy "He treats his characters like ants in a nest, he pokes them with a stick, sees how they react, occasionally gives them another prod if it all looks like it is getting dull, stands back and repeats until he has had enough". Well, the OP has had very little stirring to do here, he made a comment almost custom designed to get STW folk going and then, when it started to slow down, gave it another little nudge and now he is on his third page!
Have you all been had (in a manner of speaking?)
I must admit I bet his neighbours and the people whose car(s) he has damaged arent impressed.
Nor the Truck driver who he collided/rear ended on the A road not so long back.
(Fnarr fnarr).
The lad should have a lengthy ban FFS.
If this was a persistent drunk driver you'd all be spitting feathers.
Why would we have been had, I come her to discuss things I find interesting, not just bikes, and ive not been forced into it.
If the OP gets his fun out of stirring up discussion then fair play to him, Ive been on forums where noone posts OT and they die off pretty often. Im glad people will stir discussion and listen to my half arsed cobblers once in a while 🙂
hmmm... I don't want to dampen the good spirits and undo the good work that is going on here..
But I don't recall Mr Michael propositioning strangers for sex while waving his erect penis at them as has been suggested elsewhere in this thread..
The offence that everyone is focussing on occurred at a time when cottaging was quite fashionable.. and I think he was actually propositioned by an undercover cop (I think we can safely assume the cop wasn't waving his angry little beggy around).. in a manner not too far removed from picking someone up in a bar... or at the supermarket..
so although I agree that picking up casual sexual partners in the frankly disgusting smelling ambience of a gentlemans public toilet is pretty uneccessary and gross..
it's hard for me to see at this point why he should be deprived of oxygen so that other more useful people may breathe..
A lengthy (fnarr fnarr) driving ban however....
Yunki makes a valid point, that George was indeed entrapped, and as I said before that is unsporting at best. Noone has really defended his driving record tho Hora, that is unquestionably beyond the pale.
Which does link into - hes a bloody walking problem at the moment isn't he?
At what point does running into and harming someone turn him into a waste of Oxygen? 🙄
Yunki - I am not aware of the exact circumstances around GM's original charge not the etiquette for cottaging, but surely he must have been doing something to be charged?
I mean, if a plod came up to you in a park, asked you if you wanted it rodeo-fashion and you said 'yes please big boy' you would feel a bit aggrieved to then be charged.
Happy to be proved wrong though (and of course, it was in the US of A so anything could have happened)....
Just found this from the Occifers statement...
Michael, 34, was arrested on April 7 by an undercover policeman who says he exposed himself.
So he did (allegedly) act in an indecent manner.
Not to mention the fact that it has also led to a wholesale destruction of public toilets across the country. Think about it, how often do you see public places where the loo has gone? There is a reason.
we seem to have missed this leap of daily mail proportions.
dogging knocked down the public lavatory!!
mastiles - Maybe he provided an impromptu DNA sample for the database?
impromptu DNA sample for the database?
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Michael, 34, was arrested on April 7 by an undercover policeman who says he exposed himself.
But if the cop said "let's see the size of your manhood, Georgie boy", and GM flashed out his meat, it's a bit naughty to then clap him in irons.
Not to mention the fact that it has also led to a wholesale destruction of public toilets across the country. Think about it, how often do you see public places where the loo has gone? There is a reason.
I don't really want to get into a discussion on such but from a young age I've always had to avoid public toilets. Not because of the graffiti but because of single/odd blokes stood in there 'waiting'.
I don't really want to get into a discussion on such but from a young age I've always had to avoid public toilets. Not because of the graffiti but because of single/odd blokes stood in there 'waiting'.
Even when you wear your tin-foil hat? I find that mine is a help when MI5 start watching me from inside my TV set. Can't be too careful with single blokes!!
But if the cop said "let's see the size of your manhood, Georgie boy", and GM flashed out his meat, it's a bit naughty to then clap him in irons.
Agreed - that would be entrapment in the UK, but it being the US, anything can happen.
But all things considered, he is going a little bit mentalist isn't he? Then again, with his money and lifestyle he doesn't really have to worry about what people think about him, he can be as daft as he fancies as long as he doesn't harm an innocent bystander in the process.
Thats what I cant understand about Amy Winehouse, with her money you could just **** off somewhere sunny and quiet and take all the drugs you want, but she has to make a big drama out of life.
I know its putting two and two together, but I'm wondering how many of these blokes were leading "straight" lives with wives and kids and this was just a bit of something else on the side therefore could not take it home.
This might have been the case 20 years ago but now I just don't buy it - there are gay bars even in quite small towns now, so no shortage of places to cop off, and if you didn't want to get caught, then surely the one place you wouldn't want to hang around would be a known cottage?
there are gay bars even in quite small towns now
What absolute rubbish, I am the only Gay in the village.
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I know little of this, but I'm pretty sure that meeting strangers for sex in public lavatories and going to gay bars are two quite different fields of activity.
As with convert, I'm pretty sure that a fair proportion of public toilet enthusiasts have wives who would be surprised to learn they were there. The same may be true of gay bar patrons, but almost everyone outside the pubs around Vauxhall Cross appear to be dressed up as gay men, so I'd be a bit surprised.
I'm pretty sure that a fair proportion of public toilet enthusiasts have wives who would be surprised to learn they were there.
That may be true - but even if cottagers can't admit/bring themselves/be bothered/be honest enough to tell their wives/families/whoever that they like shagging men, it doesn't mean they have to shag men in public bogs. Given the practically limitless number of other places to meet and shag other men, my suggestion is that there is something specifically about shagging in toilets that is attractive to them. (And of course the same goes for doggers and car parks/laybys etc).
So where [i]would[/i] you go if you wanted to find men who wanted to have anonymous sex with you?
Such people seem traditionally to be found in public lavatories. Just wandering around the "practically limitless number of other places" isn't a lot of good if that isn't where the action is.
Such people seem traditionally to be found in public lavatories. Just wandering around the "practically limitless number of other places" isn't a lot of good if that isn't where the action is.
As you are moving to the area Jon;
Durdham Downs
Cabot Tower
Dundry
Abbots Pool
To name a few, in the main they are dogging sites but from what I have been told there is cock if you want it.
HTH.
Back on subject though.
What a way to enjoy your retirement; Off your face on drugs and slouched in a Range Rover around where you live.
That's most helpful Mike, thanks. 🙂
No problem.
Whats dogging like? Is it similar to a Hip hop faceoff where you dance off/take turns infront of a circle of people?
You protest too much.
just as well the doggers at carron valley weren't waiting on the toilets being built - it took 25 years for the Fc to get their arse in gear.
Me? I'd be swinging/gyrating it around like a knotted-rope then pointing at the lucky 50-something ladies sat on the bonnets of their Astra's/golfs.
This thread
[b]mastiles_fanylion - Member[/b]"sex is not intrisically bad, and if we start banning stuff because we find it distasteful then where does it end?"
Absolutely not, neither is taking a shit or being naked. But it is simply a case of behaving in what is widely regarded as decent behaviour in a public place.
That thread
[b]mastiles_fanylion - Member[/b]"any particular highlights / stand out momento's anyone ?"
Nearly getting caught by a tour group enjoying the delights of my then girlfriend down a back alley in the middle of the day.
This is true Donald and I did allude to it earlier in this thread...
But we have all done it haven't we? (Outdoor sex that is, not picking up gay men in public toilets).
I am not a moral compass, and that particular event was 20 years ago anyway. I wouldn't do it now.
Well I would, given half a chance. 😉
Did you take her up the Rialto?
M.F. there is a huge difference between what you were at and what GM was at. You were getting it on with someone, GM was trying to get it on with absolutely anyone.
Just going back to the point above about his mental state, I would suggest that the cottaging thing is about a deal of low self esteem ironically enough, and the drinking and drugs is self medication, a VERY common sign that things aren't right within.
M.F. there is a huge difference between what you were at and what GM was at. You were getting it on with someone, GM was trying to get it on with absolutely anyone.
A huge difference indeed.
The drug crazed pervert was attempting to secure a sordid arrangement in a men's lavatory.
Whilst mastiles_fanylion on the other hand, was having a perfectly respectable midday knee-trembler down an alley.
Personally I can't see the confusion.