[Closed] 9/11 documentary

it is none other than Bandar Bin Muthaflippin' Sultan.

Ok. So who actually wrote that account of their meeting ?
Seems like someone that was actually in the room with them, it’s so detailed.

That's a fair and objective point...

Bit more background since you're too lazy to click the source link I've provided 😉

Craig Unger knows how to get the big story and this one is his most explosive yet. Through scores of interviews with figures in the Christian Right, the neoconservative movement, the Bush administration, and sources close to the Bush family, as well as intelligence agents in the CIA, the Pentagon, and Israel, Unger has assembled the most comprehensive, provocative, and dramatic account of how and why George W. Bush took America to war in Iraq.

So he wasn’t there then? Or was he?

It’s written as if he was there in the room listening to the conversation.

If he wasn’t there, then who was?

Who gave him such specific conversational details?

Why don't you ask incisive questions like this when you're fobbed off with bullshit from Saudi Ambassadors?

Why don't you ask incisive questions like this

Why don’t you answer them instead of deflecting.

Already answered...

Bear in mind it's standard procedure for journalists not to burn their sources.

Especially when those sources are full of shit.

Nick/Exaro

oooh nice work by some [b]experts[/b]...

http://ine.uaf.edu/projects/wtc7/

awaiting this report with eagerness,...well..if it ever gets to see the light of day of course.

Nick/Exaro

Interesting you should choose that example, why would you think it ties in with 9/11?

Worth noting that Nicholas Soames, who was instrumental behind the scenes in putting pressure on Operation Midland is chairman of Aegis Defence Services, who profited massively from the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Do you know who Robert Baer is?

Yes. I've met him, along with many in the intelligence world.

Small world 😉

jivehoneyjive - Member

truth be told

That explains it.

Lay off the weed you paranoid looney.

ETA: nudge, 😉 , masonic tickle et cetera.

Worth noting that Nicholas Soames, who was instrumental behind the scenes in putting pressure on Operation Midland is chairman of Aegis Defence Services, who profited massively from the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Wow, That’s a new level of paranoia and made up nonsense from you.

And another bizarre attempt to link completely unrelated stories.

We’re still waiting for a single fact that that proves a 9/11 conspiracy though. How’s that for on topic?

Well they're not completely unrelated... both Leon Brittan and Edwin Bramall were involved in the Al-Yamamah deal.

There's also the mysterious payments received by [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Soames ]Nicholas Soames[/url] from Marsh and McLennan.

US multinational professional services, risk management and insurance brokerage firm Marsh & McLennan Companies Inc has given Soames £518,069 since 2010 in remunerations for his services as an MP.

At the time of the September 11 attacks in the United States in 2001, the corporation held offices on eight floors of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, from 93 to 100. When American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the building, their offices spanned the entire impact zone, from floors 93 to 99.

Marsh and Mclennan also takes us back to the Iraq [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalition_Provisional_Authority ]Coalition Provisional Authority[/url] and it's leader [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bremer ]L Paul Bremer[/url].

Bremer retired from the Foreign Service in 1989 and became managing director at Kissinger and Associates, a worldwide consulting firm founded by Henry Kissinger. A Career Member of the Senior Foreign Service, Class of Career Minister, Bremer received the State Department Superior Honor Award, two Presidential Meritorious Service Awards, and the Distinguished Honor Award from the Secretary of State. Before rejoining government in 2003, he was chairman and CEO of Marsh Crisis Consulting, a risk and insurance services firm which is a subsidiary of Marsh & McLennan Companies.

Bremer and 1,700 of the employees of Marsh & McLennan had offices in the World Trade Center. Bremer's office was in the North Tower. In an interview with CNN after the September 11 attacks, he stated that their office was located "above where the second aircraft hit".

Do his ties to Kissinger and nano thermite prove a conspiracy?

Nope, but they certainly raise questions.

So he wasn’t there then? Or was he?

It’s written as if he was there in the room listening to the conversation.

If he wasn’t there, then who was?

Who gave him such specific conversational details?

Already answered...

No you haven’t.

I’ll help shall I ....

So he wasn’t there then? Or was he? [b] - No he wasn’t there[/b]

It’s written as if he was there in the room listening to the conversation. [b] - I know. But he wasn’t there. [/b]

If he wasn’t there, then who was?[b] - No idea I’m afraid. [/b]

Who gave him such specific conversational details? [b] - Not a clue, but he wrote it down on a website, so I just presumed it was true because it fits with what I already believe. [/b]

but they certainly raise questions.

really? what questions?

He wrote it down in a book... The book provided in the source link from the word go.

Don't get antsy cos you're lazy.

why are you two expecting credible answers from him is the main one 😉

really? what questions?

read all the facts presented again...

Any questions?

He wrote it down in a book... The book provided in the source link from the word go.

That’s not adding any kind of credibility.

It’s just somewhere else that he wrote down the same stuff without any evidence that it’s true.

It’s like dealing with people who tell you “facts” about secret societies based on a reading Dan Brown book
🙄

why George W. Bush took America to war in Iraq.

JHJ is this it in a nutshell? you think George Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks so he could invade Iraq and make money for him and his buddies?

Although this doesnt tie in with the other people you have mentioned like the CIA agent who claims he could have stopped it or someone that worked in one of the towers after retiring from the FBI...

At the time of the September 11 attacks in the United States in 2001, the corporation held offices on eight floors of the North Tower of the World Trade Center, from 93 to 100. When American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the building, their offices spanned the entire impact zone, from floors 93 to 99.

He wrote it down in a book... The book provided in the source link from the word go

circular argument, plus the olly Murrs defence.

This is more damp squib than thermite, it's really poor.

And you still haven't looked into Julian Assange, why is that?

And you still haven't looked into Julian Assange, why is that?

Tinted windows at the Embassy ?

🙂

JHJ knows why

Don’t play his game and keep repeating the same question before quoting yourself and giving the answer. 😉
What’s the reason.

well, you know that Julian Assange. Before he took to hiding in his bedroom like most conspiracy theorists,had some credence, as did wikileaks. They unearthed some pretty [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/wikileaks-greatest-ever-stories-scandals/ ]interesting[/url] stories and cover ups.

However, Julian & by extension wikileaks have pretty much let down the truthers on the 9/11 front, so much so that he was quoted saying

[i]“I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide [b]evidence[/b] of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.” [/i] (my bold)

This puts truthers in a dilemma, so much so that they now resort to claiming that wikileaks are a CIA fronted organization dedicated to misinformation and hiding the real truth. (via a million nonsense you tube videos of course)

You have to ask yourself this, based on what you know about Julian Assange and wikileaks, if he had any evidence that 9/11 was a conspiracy, what would he do with it? and therefore what does the fact that they haven't, and don't believe it was a conspiracy tell us?

Tinted windows at the Embassy ?

so much so that they now resort to claiming that wikileaks are a CIA fronted organization dedicated to misinformation and hiding the real truth

Indeed, and the recent revelations that wikileaks been outed as a "useful idiot" for Russian hacking means that pretty much anything the Russians had on 9/11 would have been fed to him also. And yet...

It certainly .... erm.

Makes you think

JHJ is this it in a nutshell? you think George Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks so he could invade Iraq and make money for him and his buddies?

Although this doesnt tie in with the other people you have mentioned like the CIA agent who claims he could have stopped it or someone that worked in one of the towers after retiring from the FBI...

That's a possible motive for aiding and abetting Bandar... however, we also have to take into account diplomatic immunity.

Sounds silly, but it brings to mind 'Lethal Weapon 2', where there's all the South African Diplomats up to no good and when the police come, they can't do squat, so they need an unhinged looney in the shape of Mel Gibson to save the day. A bit of a shame that Patsy Kensit died, but they'd both be dead if the dog hadn't saved them...

Some say that diplomatic immunity is basically so spies can do well dodgy shit, without being accountable to the law.

Bit like shell companies and offshore tax havens...

As for the wikileaks angle, you have to bear in mind that often, the intelligence services will sub-contract, with no tangible links. Hence there's no trace left in diplomatic cables.

Look into at Brian Crozier's 'the 61' (6I) (linked to Le Cercle (Pinay Circle)) to get an insight into the world of dodgy dealings with no paper trail.

Whilst you're at it, don't forget The Safari Club, the BCCI and Crozier's meetings with Turki Bin Faisal Al Saud, the head of Saudi Intelligence until 10 days before 9/11.

That's why there's so many private security and military contractors... they can do all kinds of nasty shit with far less accountability than official government agencies.

Few examples...

Aegis Defence Services (Sandline International)
Kroll
Stratesec (Securacom)
Academi (Blackwater)
ArmorGroup
G4S
Black Cube

They're the kind of firms who carry out the dirty work...

So, they did it but there’s no evidence.

How convenient

Good thing we’re sticking to ‘facts’

Here's a related fact regarding the 9/11 commission...

Kissinger himself was appointed chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (9/11 Commission) by George W. Bush. Congressional Democrats insisted that Kissinger disclose the names of clients. Kissinger and President Bush claimed that such disclosures were not necessary, but Kissinger ultimately stepped down, citing conflicts of interest.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissinger_Associates ]
Kissinger Associates[/url]

You do realise Lethal Weapon 2 isn’t real?

Kissinger Associates does not disclose its list of corporate clients, and reportedly bars clients from acknowledging the relationship.[

From your link. So it doesn’t really point to anything really. Just you trying to create the whiff of impropriety from unrelated stuff, again.

It’s got more than a whiff of desperation about it now.

Here's a related fact regarding the 9/11 commission...

An old bloke doesn't take part in the 9/11 commission in any way?

Not exactly a front page scoop is it.

You do realise Lethal Weapon 2 isn’t real?

Yep, just like I realize that wikileaks never uncovered the 114 missing child abuse files...

you have to bear in mind that often, the intelligence services will sub-contract, with no tangible links. 

Source please.

No point asking jivebunny for a source.

His idea of a credible source is someone who writes something on a website, and can prove it’s true, because he also wrote the same thing in a book.

What more proof do you need ? It’s written in TWO places ! It MUST be true 🙄

Or alternatively

Source please.

The Punisher, a Netflix Original [s]Series[/s] Documentary.

The CIA contracted out the dirty work to Anvil.

That's what this thread needs, more sauce!

I think when the truther argument is essentially ‘there was a conspiracy but there’s no evidence because of private sector outsourcing’. It would be as much use to move the conversation to sauce as anything else

I’m brown with bacon, red with sausages

What floor was Kissinger's office on?

Source please.

Google can help there...

Look into at Brian Crozier's 'the 61' (6I) (linked to Le Cercle (Pinay Circle)) to get an insight into the world of dodgy dealings with no paper trail.

Something tells me you're the lazy type though, so here's a bit of background to whet your appetite..

Crozier's own book, '[url= https://www.amazon.co.uk/Free-Agent-1941-1991-Autobiography-International/dp/0060171170?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 ]Free Agent[/url]' would be a good starting point, but there's plenty more out there to back it up.

Worth bearing in mind that I mentioned Crozier long ago in regard to his influence in the media via the CIA backed Forum World Features...

See this thread:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/biased-broadcasting-company-nick-robinson

If you want a real insight into what goes on behind the scenes, look into [url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/aug/09/brian-crozier ]Brian Crozier[/url]:

The intelligence expert Brian Crozier, who has died aged 94 after a long illness, was the ultimate cold-war warrior: a political vigilante who unashamedly cultivated a close, mutually beneficial, relationship with MI6, MI5 and the CIA, successfully courted Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, and praised the dictators Pinochet and Franco.

In the 1960s, at MI6's suggestion, Crozier was approached by the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a CIA-funded agency that financed publications around the world, including Encounter magazine in Britain.
In 1966, with the help of CIA funds, he set up a British-based agency, Forum World Features, and later founded the Institute for the Study of Conflict. He also contributed to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office's Information Research Department (IRD), a shady organisation whose unattributable reports distributed to susceptible journalists and MPs were designed to highlight the dangers of communist subversion. The IRD was disbanded by David Owen soon after he was appointed foreign secretary in 1977.

[b]That year, continuing in his role of what British intelligence agencies call "an alongsider", Crozier set up a new group, "The 61".[/b]

and his work at [url= https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Forum_World_Features ]Forum World Features[/url] and [url= https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Le_Cercle ]Le Cercle[/url]:

Forum World Features was a London based CIA propaganda operation which operated as a professional news service from 1965 to 1975. It was run by the anti-communist crusader, later European Chair of Le Cercle, Brian Crozier.

Forum World Features was part of a world wide CIA propaganda operation overseen by Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA agent who had engineered the overthrow of the democratic government of Iran in 1953.

The Australian born journalist Brian Crozier was appointed chairman of the company. He was a fervant anti-communist who had worked for the Economist and the BBC. Crozier was assisted by John Tusa - later to be the main presenter of BBC Newsnight, then go on to become head of the BBC's World Service. Tusa, who was reportedly unaware of the CIA connection, resigned after an argument over editorial policy.

Among many other achievements in the shadows, Crozier via the global network of Le Cercle, with extensive support in MI6 and the CIA, was said to be instrumental in getting both Thatcher and Reagan elected...

The Langemann Papers (November 1979) quote a planning paper by Brian Crozier about a Cercle complex operation "to affect a change of government in the United Kingdom (accomplished)".

This may be a reference to the success of the "Shield" group which Crozier set up in 1976, probably with the express purpose of getting Margaret Thatcher elected, a year after she was invited to the Bilderberg meeting by Labour's Dennis Healey.

Are you sure that’s not the plot for ‘Spectre’?

I’m brown with bacon, red with sausages

I've read some messed up shit on this thread but that's going too far!