[Closed] 6 nations thread, let the arguments commence

the Celtic nation[s] rejoice in your failure

The little Ashton v O'Gara spat was the most entertaining bit of the game for me.

England 6 Nations Champions! Yay!

Will have to make do with winning the Championship [Viet-taff huge win withstanding]

Well done Ireland, shame you couldn't play like that the rest of the six nations

COME ON FRANCE

*spits*

😯

Wasn't expecting that

Great performance by Ireland

great performance by ireland
i think they would have won no matter what today.

I'm not going to gloat - tempting as it may be. England WERE the better team over the 6N championship - and no doubt they'll go further in the WC.

Johnson however can **** off. The arrogant **** had the nerve to talk about how they "knew" that Ireland would try and slow their ball down. Well Johnson, who had to try and slow the ball down in the end? You rooster!

Ashton anonymous again apart from handbags on the touchline 😆

EDIT: Apologies, I think I went into a mini-gloat there. 😳

Gloat away you Hunk a spunk of burning Irish love. England were pretty poor not at playing the game but in heart and commitment. Bannahan is just rubbish, the two Kiwis were rubbish, no leader on the pitch untill Thompson came on. Ashton exposed as the show pony??? a long way away from the player lauded as the next world beater.

Ireland played with passion and heart and wanted the win.

Great game for the neutral 😉

😆 😆 😆

Could have been a lot worse, like battling for the wooden spoon rather than the grand slam 🙂

Whatever you need to make you feel good I guess.

Englands weaknesses were there to be exploited and Ireland did so superbly. Where was England creative attacking play?

Good rugby to watch so far! Scotland got some tries, and Ireland looked like an amazing team again!

In the context, the hammering of the championship, that.

As usual in any sport everyone wants to beat the english!! Admittedly we were poor and ireland were awesome, never gave england any time on the ball. Ogara still got some skills tho!!

Rather patronising to the Irish team there wrightyson. Ireland had more to prove to themselves and their fans today. It was the last chance in the 6N to show what they can do. It transcends merely "beating the English", which to be fair, hasn't really been much of a problem in recent years.

Couple of cracking games this avo. Scotland finally turned up in the 2nd half of the last game of the 6N. Scored a couple of tries but more importantly actually looked like scoring tries.

Ireland were focused and committed and just blew England away in the 1st 20 mins.

27 points for the Welsh will be a bit too much. I see France reacting to their loss by attempting to flatten them.

At what point was describing the Irish as awesome patronising??? Fool!

Fool!

Oooh. Get you girlfriend. Personal insults...tut tut.

i agree wrightyson personally I thought it was just the usual english arrogance to be fair.

As usual in any sport everyone wants to beat the english

Beating England is the highlight of the day for the Irish. More important than anything else. They were the better team undoubtedly, England never turned up.
La Frogs vs. Sheep Cuddlers now, should be good 😉
P.s. Apologies to sheep.

Well done Ireland, just played very good rugby. Now then, what's Shaun Edwards done?

Come on Welshies, some of you have got ears in the right places, what has Edwards said or done???

Congratulations to the Irish BTW - a very well deserved win. Made the form team of the tournament look like rank amateurs with their nous, aggression and all round vision.
Hope England can learn from this kicking but i doubt it, we'll still see 'happy' looking clueless in the centre. He had several chances to put men into space tonight but instead chose to run into a green wall.

Oh hello muddy, you've been quiet since the first half.

EDIT: just seen your next post. Fair dues.

And Hairychested, the fans enjoy it more than the players. This particular batch of players are kinda used to beating the English.

DD - Been cooking tea, always lead the rock n roll lifestyle here a the dwarf mine... 😆

Something naughty, Wales left him at home and Gatland won't say why.

As usual in any sport everyone wants to beat the english!!

Muddydwarf I'm confused, are you english or Welsh? You seem a tad confused.

Congratulations dd, enjoy. 😉

I might have Welsh blood from my Maternal Grandmothers side - the Williams from South Wales - but rest assured i'm pure English! 😛

@DD, I know - your lot were vastly superior than theirs. Not only today but over the years.

Can't knock that Irish display, you have to wonder why they struggle to perform like that against other teams tho. Hoping for Wales to win by a point or two..

England the best team of the tournament, as the table currently show.

Bet the southern hemisphere teams are pissing themselves, all 6 teams would get mullered at the mo!!

Bet the southern hemisphere teams are pissing themselves, all 6 teams would get mullered at the mo!!

And that, is what we really need to worry about.

muddydwarf - Member

I might have Welsh blood from my Maternal Grandmothers side - the Williams from South Wales - [b]but rest assured i'm pure English[/b]!

muddydwarf - Member

Come on Welshies,

[b]but rest assured i'm pure English[/b]

Really?

:lol:Don Simon - go back and look at what i actually wrote...

I asked you Welsh lot a question, not cheer them!

😉

Its TRUE tho, even the Albanians play like barca when it comes to playing engerland at football! However the Irish firmly deserved the win, harried hustled generally upset England every (short) period we had possession! Oh and junkyard, **** humility, all I wanna do as an England fan is win win win!

Ireland played better and won, fair enough.
England lack belief, as with many England sporting teams.
they still deserve to win the tournament though 😀

After that display i'm not so sure England do deserve the tournament win 🙁

It doesn't matter anyway. It was GS or bust for England and that's gone.

why?
surely winning the tournament is a good result?
best in the northern hemisphere?
where are the real England fans on this thread?

maxray - Member
Can't knock that Irish display, you have to wonder why they struggle to perform like that against other teams tho. Hoping for Wales to win by a point or two..

If the referee and his assistants knew the rules of the game in the Wales-Ireland game, Ireland would be up there with England on 8 points tonight 😕

Despite Easter and Johnson saying that possibly winning the 6 Nations tonight is totally overshadowed by being outplayed and outclassed by Ireland, it's interesting to note that Johnson put on older experienced players in the 2nd half to stem the flow of Irish points and thus give Wales an unlikely target.

If the referee and his assistants knew the rules of the game in the Wales-Ireland game, Ireland would be up there with England on 8 points tonight

No point going on about that. Ireland are a better team. They had plenty of chances to win that game but fluffed it.

To feel good about winning the tournament you need to do it by your own efforts, to have it handed to us by the French isn't the same. Do you think the England players will care if they win tonight?

I don't.

(Sat here in my England shirt BTW as a 'real' England fan)

If onlys!! Ha ha! If only lampards goal blah blah! I'm a TRUE England fan and yes barring a welsh miracle we should win the tournament but its not the grand slam we all craved! Who backed England at the last world cup ?? I did, each way after a very ropey start, it returned very nicely on an each way!! I didn't think they'd win it but knew there was a bit in the tank!!

Oh and junkyard, **** humility, all I wanna do as an England fan is win win win!

There is no doubt the home nations up their game against the English, that's what you get when 1 team has more resources, support and is generally better. It's just a shame England lack the ability to crush them like nz would. You can see the same across the board, cricket being a very notable example.

End of the day the home nations other than England are never going to win a world cup in rugby cricket or football and the fact England have just irks them all the more.

muddydwarf - Member
To feel good about winning the tournament you need to do it by your own efforts, to have it handed to us by the French isn't the same. Do you think the England players will care if they win tonight?

England will have done it by their own efforts. They may have been outplayed today but whatever happens tonight England's position in the 6 nations is determined by all the games, not just todays.
The England players [and a lot of the fans] may not care right now, but the records will show that they topped the pile [possibly!!]

[Edit] Probably!![/Edit] 😆

You French beauty 🙂

Oh Danny Boy the Pipe of peace are calling.......

COME ON WALES!

If onlys!! Ha ha! If only lampards goal

WTF?!? Two mentions of footie now!

There is no doubt the home nations up their game against the English

The fans "up" their fervour for sure. As I said, it's England that have had to up their game against Ireland in recent years. And today, yet again, they couldn't. I know little of what the WRU and the SRU have done in recent years, but the IRFU have taken massive steps to improve the quality of the national side - player contracts, agreements with the provincial sides etc etc. To suggest that their dominance over England in the last few years (7 or 8 of the last ten meetings) is due to being more "up" for it is fallacious at best and patronising to say the least.

I'm one of the few England fans who will cheer on any home nation in any sport just FTW! I love sport, love winning, and so longs its not against my true love (the England) I'll back em all the way!! I will never forget watching Ireland in the world cup in 2002 and getting the biggest bollocking off tbe mother im law for screaming and shouting ( think it was a Keane disallowed goal) and causing my daughter to cry coz id woke her up!! 😕

Not the same though is it? Ireland did the job today and a belated win from the current game doesn't bring the same cachet.
England will 'probably' win the 6N but the records will show how close the tournament was.

don't get ahead of yourself, one game does not make a tournament Darcy

Having been an English lad in a Welsh school during the early 70s, the French are doing me proud tonight 8) Not able to watch on TV but I'm guessing Eddie Butler may be commentating and we just happened to be at school together... 😆

TRY!!!!

I'm English and just like the Welsh who will never cheer for England (most anyway) i can never cheer for Wales and will support anyone playing them - bit difficult when it's Scotland i grant you!

(Yes, i have Scots blood from my Maternal Grandfathers family the Hiltons from the borders!)

Like most i'm a British mongrel, i choose England cos it's my culture and country.

Then Ireland want to be up for it more often then! Perhaps against the other four teams and its all yours!!! Patronising my arse, go on one more time. (Fool) xx

don't get ahead of yourself, one game does not make a tournament Darcy

Of course, if you'd read what I said straight after the game, you might rethink what you're saying there. I've already said that England were clearly the best side in the tournament. But this throwing of "you only beat us because you're more up for it" is an insult to a team of professionals with far less resources and a relatively minuscule player-pool.

Fool

😆

Actually to be fair, you'd do well on a football thread.

to a team of professionals with far less resources and a relatively minuscule player-pool.

Getting your excuses in. If Ireland had played like throughout they would have won the 6 nations.

.. Having said that if we had played that bad throughout we would have the wooden spoon!

It's all good though, i do enjoy the 6n

Zut alors 😯

Wow! that was a score and a half!

I love this game, even if i have to share it with you lot! 😛

Anyway, doesn't NZ have the same population as Wales? They have a small player pool and they don't do too badly do they? 😆

Just think, when this games over you can take a leaf out of DD's and the Irish book and enjoy the craic

You are right muddy dwarf!

Wish England had played with Frances intensity...

Allez les Bleus!

England scrape to a tournament win.

It's been fun y'all - this time next yr? 😆

yay! allez les blancs 😀
scraping a win? we won 33% more games than anyone else!

Bon chance et au revoir mes petit ros beufs

scraping a win? we won 33% more games than anyone else!

Right, now the hostilities are over, can i buy you welsh and irish a beer?
(already know enough grasping Scots to bankrupt me!)

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Oooh, where can i buy that?

Told ya, the English team looked really underwhelmed to lift the trophy.
Good game from the French and Welsh, really enjoyed that game.

muddydwarf - Member
Oooh, where can i buy that?

Booths or Sainsburys

£1.75 a bottle..

All over now till we all underperform at the WC 🙂

It has been great fun as ever, wish Wales had played a good 80 mins, playing great 20 minutes is not good enough.

Thanks to all who have contributed to this thread, lots of pages with out the usual descent into name calling and ego clashing.

Now to the WC and I predict that Australia will win.

It's been a great thread as ever. As for the namecalling, I'm going to forget being called a "Fool" today...but only because of who it was. 😀

Either Aus or NZ for the WC i reckon. England will flatter to decieve again.

Roll on the World Cup. Having England and Argentina in our pool we (Scotland) can't even be sure of last 8 but hopefully we have the drop on the Pumas for now and we can warm up against Romania and Georgia.

The Irish should get past Italy but it could be interesting for Wales if Fiji and Samoa start well.

Looking forward to that thread in 6 months time.

Oh NZ should win it but can they avoid choking?

DD just a quick question, but as you say Ireland have beaten Eng a lot recently and if that has nothing to do with "being up for it" ho do you explain the poor performance in 2007 RWC in the middle of it all if they are such model professionals? I dont believe it is the only reason Ireland keep beating England, but please dont pretend that Ireland have been a great team for all that time.

Where did I say Ireland were a "great team"? We only have a realistic chance of being the best team in the 6N from time to time. We notoriously underperform when expectations are high. We despair. I have no idea why. All I know is that they're a far more professional outfit than even ten years ago.

I'll just repeat what I said earlier: England were the best team in this 6N and they will no doubt go further in the WC than Ireland. (although, having a look at the groups, I dunno...but I refuse to get my hopes up). I just think it's unfair to say that we're more "up" for it when it's England and that's why we've won 7 of the last 10 encounters. If England fans feel they need to say that to make themselves feel better, then fair enough. I guess the fact that it winds other fans up is all part of the fun.

EDIT: tbh, the competition's over now and the thread's run its course. Im just going to enjoy our one excellent performance and not argue about it anymore.

Is it only 7 out of the last ten, ireland have won?

One or two surprises this year , but England deserve the championship over all.

However, the fact England have only won 1 grand slam since 1995 shows how difficult it is which puts Wales last two recent slams in perspective.

Roll on Gloucester tomorrow 8)