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It was Brexit not Corbyn FFS. How do I know because we had an election not long ago with him as the leader.
BUT granted this campaign was shit too many spending promises. Corbyn and Mcdonnell will be gone.
I don't see anyone in the LP I think can win the next election.
& Jo Swinson looking likely to lose her seat
If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple
No, it's not. Shouting abuse at us isn't going to change that. **** off and go to bed mate seriously.
Gulp...think I’ll stay here in Austria.
I blame Ed Milliband. If he hadn’t run vs David, I reckon the latter would have done better in 2015.
People, please. I know there's a lot of anger here tonight, but please don't take it out on each other.
I have to go to work tomorrow knowing the abuse I'll get from the majority of my Brexit-loving, immigrant-hating, Tory-voting co-workers, please don't make this place the same.
I don’t care – but why does the pound start rising when we’re on our way to Brexit?
Because markets like certainty. Buy on rumour, sell on fact. It would have gone up no matter who won as long as someone got a majority. Most of a conservative majority had already been priced into the pound. Don't expect it to stay that way as the quick brexit turn out to drag on for months or years.
Binners, you're pissing off a number of people who currently class you as a friend.
Give it a rest.
It was Brexit not Corbyn FFS. How do I know because we had an election not long ago with him as the leader.
If it was Brexit they would have been murdered during the 2017 election, back then people knew less about Corbyn and were less scared of him. The intervening years allowed him to show his colours and allowed the conservatives to character assassinate him - because it's ****ing easy to do that to him.
It was Corbym - and momentum need to **** off and die and let the grown ups take charge of the labour party again.
Lol at Blyth vs Sunderland. You fools! You’ve both lost!
Hysteria much gentlemen? Lewis Goodhall of Sky points out the the Exit Poll includes 65 seats that are 'too close to call' from data by Britain Elects. I'm not holding my breath but the schadenfreude will be strong if:
a) It's a hung parliament or wafer thin Tory majority
b) Uxbridge elect the Labour MP.
Small wins, I know but we need more consensus politics for the next session not tribalism. EDIT We need at least 2 more hung parliaments to encourage the fools to work together for the betterment of all.
Also if you are a non-Tory voter but didn't vote for the candidate that was in a strong second to remove the Tory you have only yourself to blame.
BInners / Rayban - are you saying then Labour need to turn back into a rightwing party? A sort of tory lite?
If the Labour Party cling to the belief that it was Brexit not Corbyn and so stay a corbynite party into the next election they will a) lose more seats and b) find something else to blame.
So. I wonder what the Tories are actually going to do?
They promised more hospitals and nurses. We won't get any of those, for sure. What else was there? Are councils going to get the money they need?
If the Labour Party cling to the belief that it was Brexit not Corbyn and so stay a corbynite party into the next election they will a) lose more seats and b) find something else to blame.
Probably Jews.
I suppose in a way, Corbyn, Milne, Murphy, McCluskey and the rest of them all get what they want...in a way.
Hopefully, they’ll all be gone by the end of next week. I can’t see how they have any other option if they’ve overseen such a (projected) fall in Labour’s seat share.
Are we going to see Ruth Davidson in the buff then?
The Labour Party is in a death spiral into utter irrelevance
The results coming in are showing 15%+ swings away from labour to the Tory’s in the’Red Wall’ labour heartlands
HELLO!!!
FFS!
Let’s do the 80’s all over again. It was so much fun last time
I'm watching TV now but on the radio Marr and other BBC bods were quick to say Boris would go all One Nation with big spending plans and a soft Brexit.
Corbun played a huge part in Labour's defeat. I jokingly asked a colleague today if her red jumper was a display of her voting intention and she launched is a diatribe of anti-Corbyn abuse, most of it wrong, that she clearly picked up from SM and the RW Press.
Many of my ex-Forces friends are pro-EU but so anti-Corbyn they couldn't vote for Labour.
I’m watching TV now but on the radio Marr and other BBC bods were quick to say Boris would go all One Nation with big spending plans and a soft Brexit.
Whilst I’d love that to be the case, nothing he has done to date gives me any confidence that’s how it’s going to go...
Can someone ban binners for a few hours please?
I’m not growing a mullet again.
If it was Brexit they would have been murdered during the 2017 election, back then people knew less about Corbyn and were less scared of him
How do you figure that? Ukip/brexit party didn't pull candidates in order to get brexit done in 2017. May didn't have a get brexit done slogan and an oven ready brexit plan. She also didn't hide in a fridge.
I don’t care – but why does the pound start rising when we’re on our way to Brexit?
Business (and lenders / investors especially) need certainty. And generally downsides have upsides so that attracts some investors. Bear in mind that those that decided not in invest in UK plc post Brexit have already bailed. So today reflects an expectation of slight inflow of capital.
So the main difference between this and the 2017 election for Labour is offering another vote on Brexit.
I can’t see how they have any other option if they’ve overseen such a (projected) fall in Labour’s seat share.
They will just blame Brexit. The next (post Brexit) election will have to be lost before the lesson is learned that even if people want some more left wing policies, they need to be reassured that they won’t only get left wing policies if they vote Labour. That reassurance can’t come from someone like Corbyn, especially if he is listening to Milne, Murray, Len & Co.
How much of the anti-Corbyn sentiment is actually created by Tory campaigning?
Steady on please raybanwomble that's not a funny joke.
So, Scotland. Interesting if that exit polls is true.
P.s maybe we might get Keir Starmer now? Some hope for labour?
Pps. ZERO seats for Brexit party which is not such a loss for those faking arseholes
If nothing else at least these * will now have to own the Brexit shitshow that is coming.
No they won't, they'll still blame us for it. I had this self same argument earlier tonight.
how the hell can you take the exit poll seriously??
They've been worryingly on point for the last few.
If you supported Corbyn then you’re a *ing idiot. It’s that simple
Oh do **** off. If the Tories do get back in it's because not enough people "supported Corbyn" (or as it's better known, Labour). I voted Labour not because I support Corbyn - I don't - but because of tactical voting to depose the Tories.
How do you figure that? Ukip/brexit party didn’t pull candidates in order to get brexit done in 2017. May didn’t have a get brexit done slogan and an oven ready brexit plan. She also didn’t hide in a fridge.
She had some pretty good Brexit slogans and she also didn't ignore a sick kid on a hospital floor. Still, Corbyn performed pretty miserably against someone who had less of a clear message as well.
It was fear of a Red Corbyn Christmas, 100 percent.
The results coming in are showing 15%+ swings away from labour to the Tory’s in the’Red Wall’ labour heartlands
Yes. Pretty well predicted. They voted strongly leave.
It was Brexit not Corbyn FFS. How do I know because we had an election not long ago with him as the leader.
But that was against the Maybot not Boris the messiah. This has been a popularity contest not a serious election.
Yes. Pretty well predicted. They voted strongly leave.
But.. but.. Labour should have come out for remain, that would surely have fixed things!
Most of it Molgrips. Ask those in Europe they see a very different Corbyn. One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man. Try it next time you are abroad
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So. I wonder what the Tories are actually going to do?
They promised more hospitals and nurses. We won’t get any of those, for sure. What else was there? Are councils going to get the money they need?
They're going to do whatever they want.
I keep hearing from TV politicians and commentators that when quizzed on their doorsteps, folk just didn’t like or trust Jeremy.
You can blame whatever you like but the Labour leadership needs to accept they are responsible for this mess. If the Exit Poll is accurate obviously.
Vast swathes of the UK have not voted tory in decades.
Well, they did today.
If the exit poles are correct I’m just really sad. As a firefighter I know what’s coming, what has already been lined up and what will come to pass. By the time the general public realise it will be far too late.
Who to blame? All of them, god knows. Just sad.
I see the predictable bollox has started already, and brexit denial is still alive and well. A party with one single policy of doing brexit no matter what wins, and yet it’s not about that? People want brexit, more now than in 2016. I don’t understand it, but it appears to be what they want. Time to admit defeat on this one. The labour MPs in leave constituencies were right. Probably just as well we didn’t get that second referendum.
But.. but.. Labour should have come out for remain, that would surely have fixed things!
I know you are being facetious but sadly there are those out there who believe it's true.
I thought in the early/middle of the campaign that it might actually swing to a non brexit election, opinion polls were showing that slightly, that nhs etc might be as or more important. I think what happens in labour leave seats will tell us if that is true.
The national support for Brexit doesn't sit well with that big of a swing.
If it was about Brexit, it was a mix of labour brexiteers voting Tory and remainers being apathetic and not being arsed to vote Corbyn because of his track record.
If you supported Corbyn then you’re a ****ing idiot. It’s that simple
He's not wrong. Never been a fan of Boris, but he has achieved an extraordinary turnaround.
One party has a policy to deliver Brexit ASAP, the other said we probably should do it, but let’s not rush.
BInners / Rayban – are you saying then
Labour need to turn back into a rightwing party? A sort of tory lite?
No. They are saying that Labour needs to be an electable party. It’s pretty simple: The further Left Labour goes, the more it empowers the Hard Tory Right.
(It’s still only an exit poll)
I'm not going to point fingers at who's fault it is but if the polls come true I am desperately sad. On a personal level and for the country.
This was a last ditch battle for how this country will go for a generation and it's heading into a very dark place.😟
Never as bad as you fear or as good as you hope. Abject opposition failure predicted. Keir time? I’ve never voted for my MP. In any of the constituencies I’ve lived in
The Labour Party is in a death spiral into utter irrelevance
The results coming in are showing 15%+ swings away from labour to the Tory’s in the’Red Wall’ labour heartlands
HELLO!!!
FFS!
Let’s do the 80’s all over again. It was so much fun last time
Are you on another planet? I’ve not heard of any results coming in yet!
The BBC just interviewed someone from the exit poll company. I hope they're wrong to stop him being such a "smunt"
That's right, what happens when you have polarisation is a runaway effect - both parties end up having to become more extreme to counter one another. This has happened throughout history - the UK isn't a country that will naturally vote for further left parties in that scenario - it's one that will vote naturally for Oswald Mosleys or Enoch Powells.
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Yeah – Scottish people aren’t any cleverer than the English – they just have an alternative centrist party.
According to the vox pops I've seen Scottish people are cleverer or at least more politically engaged.
Anyone remember the Red Milliband bollocks?
Now its the "extreme" left wing Corbyn.
Joseph McCarthy would be proud.
She had some pretty good Brexit slogans and she also didn’t ignore a sick kid on a hospital floor.
Yep. She also had a split brexit vote.
If you think people voted for Boris after seeing how utterly uncaring he was about that kid, because Corbyn was worse, you have a pretty skewers view of the world. I think the fact that people voted for him despite the fact that they didn't trust him,and were worried about what he would do to the NHS, housing, social safety net etc tells you that they cared more about ending the brexit stalemate.
Crikey apparently 2/3 of the seats are always voting the same ... really?
So much underestimation of how much Corybn is voter Kryptonite. Still. It’s irrelevant now anyway, the next leader has next to no chance of them winning the next election now anyway. The Conservatives probably have a minimum of 10 years to play with now. Corbyn should stick around for a few years, so the next leader is as fresh as possible for the next election, rather than be tainted by what the next few years will bring.
Deleted all I wrote - just so desperately disappointed that our society could vote to this to itself
Corbynism is, and always has been an electoral cul-de-sac
It’s that simple
It’s been glaringly obvious from day one
I am absolutely *ing livid! My children’s future is hostage to Brexit and five years of whatever the hell Boris plans to do.
I *ing loath the Tory’s, but I hate the bunch of utter clowns that have turned the Labour Party into the joke it is today and has gifted the Tories everything they ever wanted
If you’re a Corbynite then all the shit we’re going to have to endure for the next five years is down to you.
Lmao at Farage not even voting for his own party.
(you would have thought he'd have run in his own area)
Seems the remainers weren’t wrong, then.
Some of them are racist and xenophobic but being right won't change the results.
As soon as Corbyn declared he'd do a second ref it split the working class Labour vote. That's why the Tory's and right wing press were so desperate to get him on record as remain leaning (not ruling it out) and nail his colours to the mast.
The gob shites have pissed in their own shoes and contributed to a done deal.
Well I've just postponed the inevitable by watching an episode of his dark materials. Oh shit. Apt as it turns out. I still have hope it's nearer a hung parliament than that.... surely that exit poll must be shonky!
The national support for Brexit doesn’t sit well with that big of a swing.
It supports it. Popular vote and seats don't necessarily correlate. If the early predictions are correct the movement from labour leave seats to conservative are swinging. The labour early predictions are showing a labour leave seat that was remain and will stay remain but with an 11% swing vote away from labour. About half and half to conservative and brexit party. You seriously think labour voters would go to brexit party because Corbyn is to socialist?
He isnt even as socialist as the labour government that created the NHS.
The questions Kelvin are why? And would any other leader have fared better? If it was all about a right of centre labour party being electable then surely the lib dems would have made gains?
Remember what they did to Milliband - a labour leader in the Blair mould.
Its an elective dictatorship whereby controlling the media has swung the election. cotrolled both by ownership and by having more money
Ah well welcome to indendence for Scotland - more chaos and a bitter divorce damaging both countries
The one good thing about this, is that it paves the way for a soft brexit. With this size of majority the ERG are done
The Conservatives have a minimum of 10 years to play with now.
Truly scary to think that by the time I'm 50 years old only 13 years will have been under something other than a Tory government.
If you think people voted for Boris after seeing how utterly uncaring he was about that kid, because Corbyn was worse, you have a pretty skewers view of the world. I think the fact that people voted for him despite the fact that they didn’t trust him,and were worried about what he would do to the NHS, housing, social safety net etc tells you that they cared more about ending the brexit stalemate.
Most humans are ****s mate.
Take a look at the world - how many courtiers are happy clappy care for thy neighbour Scandi countries?
**** all.
If you want to civilise people you have to do it by force or by stealth.
There's one Labour politician who can stil hold his head high, Tom Watson. As for the rest of Labour they need to read STW and in particular Binners if they ever want to be a credible force again.
The Tories? Expect more of and in bigger doses.
The SNP? Go Scotland!
Good luck with negotiating the trade deals, the feed back I'm getting from people on the other side of the channel is that it's going to be the hardest deal in history.
Lmao at Farage not even voting for his own party.
Yes, for the reason that 2/3 always voted the same.
I am disappointed that no Brexit party seat yet ... hmmm ...
The nation obviously supports brexit.
Good job. Now lets get it done.
nickc - dinnae be daft - its the hardest of hard brexits. thats what Johnsons backers want and thats what he will give them.
Join in everyone...
According to the vox pops I’ve seen Scottish people are cleverer or at least more politically engaged.
That's a shit thing to post.
The fact that a man so devisive and abhorrent as BJ has managed to massively increase the Tory partys lead is a fairly obvious indication of how unpopular the leader of the opposition is. I know many many people who just couldn't vote for Labour despite hating the Tories and brexit
A depressing day all in all...
But.. but.. Labour should have come out for remain, that would surely have fixed things!
Anybody with half a braincell would know that Labour are a remain party. Hence the predicted result.
but I hate the bunch of utter clowns that have turned the Labour Party into the joke it is today and has gifted the Tories everything they ever wanted
Instead of swearing at us, get off your arse and get involved in changing the party. Get involved at the council level, get them labour. Let's all get working in our communities to mitigate the damage. That's how you change things - not yelling on the Internet.
Penfold is on, saying this is like the Berlin Wall coming down…
Ask those in Europe they see a very different Corbyn. One sitting comfortably in the European social democratic tradition and a thoughtful considered man. Try it next time you are abroad
What, TJ?
Most of the people I know don't know who he is and those that do think he's a senile Trotsky.
Its not a “national vote” for Brexit, it’s an English vote for Brexit and a clear independence vote for Scotland and EU membership.
Looking forward to Andrew Neil roasting every Tory scumbag who sits across from him. Let him get some of his frustrations out at not having a crack at BlowJobBob.
Edukator - that was what quite a few different Germans, French and Dutch folk said to me
I would expect the Tories to be pro-indyref2 as would increase their majority even further.
Mark Francois is Binners and I claim my £5!
Anyone see him on TV? He even said peoples front of Judea lol