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Did you see his speech* at the CBI yesterday?
Dear god! He looked like he was sedated. As I said on the previous page
Like a bored middle manager at a photocopier convention telling disinterested telesales staff about his companies latest developments in toner cartridges.
He's been on auto-pilot for over 2 years now. I thought he might perk up a bit once the starting gun had been fired, as we keep being told he's apparently 'a natural campaigner'
Campaigning for what? Another mug of Ovaltine before the shipping forecast?
*the word is used figuratively in this instance
45%
https://twitter.com/johnrentoul/status/1196807021464555527?s=21
> think happy thoughts <
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/1196796322688442369?s=21
> prepare to celebrate as a success <
…but it still feels like he’s actively trying to stop people listening to those words! Is it just me? Do I just need more coffee?
Is the nationalisation program fake news now?
No, but it’s not “anti-capitalism” as many excitedly claim, just bringing some monopoly providers of infrastructure and services back under public ownership. Without competition, there is always a battle between the approaches of state regulation and state ownership to ensure delivery to all and prevent market abuse. In some areas, regulation proves not to be enough. We’ve had publically owned banks, post office, railway lines and railway services in recent years, without people asking “Communism?” Of course, it would be easier to explain all this without the likes or Milne&Murray&Co hanging around in the shadows…
Very glad Corbyn is emphasising growing the economy [just don’t mention Brexit].
it’s not “anti-capitalism” as many excitedly claim, just bringing some monopoly providers of infrastructure and services back under public ownership.
It is, however, a stupid idea that is meant to appeal to misty eyed old socialists who remember the good old days of the TUC running the show.
There's bigger things to focus on, this is a distraction. Maybe Brexit will be brought up tonight and Jez will just ignore it?
a stupid idea
Ok Boomer.
Lens contributions are always helpful.
For the Tory's.
He puts a lot of time and effort into finding ever more imaginative ways of him and fellow multi-millionaire Jezza remaining in permanent opposition while still carrying on picking up their big salaries and infinite perks
Every time he opens his gob, Labours poll ratings take a 5% hit
feels like he’s actively trying to stop people listening to those words!
This saddens me. We all decry personality politics and sound bite speeches, but when we see a video of a calm speech, saying really quite sensible, but not exciting things, we jump on the ‘OMGz! YAWN! SNOZEFEST!’ Bandwagon. We’ve been gaslighted as a nation into wanting big exciting people as leaders, despite their vacuous and empty hearts.
The human race gets the leaders it deserves, rather than needs, it seems.
We all decry personality politics and sound bite speeches, but when we see a video of a calm speech, saying really quite sensible, but not exciting things, we jump on the ‘OMGz! YAWN! SNOZEFEST!’ Bandwagon.
And when you say "We", you mean Binners don't you.
And when you say “We”, you mean Binners don’t you.
Yes, the rest of the country love it. Clearly.
From C4 news last night, economic thinking is moving on from the free market idealism of the the 80s, 90s and 00s. Maybe we should be framing the free marketeers as the misty eyed nostalgics....
The bit at about 4:20 in from ex banker and Tory Treasury Minister is especially relevant if you don't want to watch the full 15 mins
Its not too much to ask to have some middle ground between a bumbling, badly-drawn, latin-speaking cartoon character on acid and the human equivalent of a rusting, brown Austin Allegro.
There are plenty of capable politicians in both main parties. Unfortunately for us, none of them are anywhere near either front bench. They are stuffed with complete imbeciles, who's only qualification for being in a senior position is their unquestioning loyalty to the idiot they refer to as their leader
No, but it’s not “anti-capitalism” as many excitedly claim, just bringing some monopoly providers of infrastructure and services back under public ownership. Without competition, there is always a battle between the approaches of state regulation and state ownership to ensure delivery to all and prevent market abuse. In some areas, regulation proves not to be enough. We’ve had publically owned banks, post office, railway lines and railway services in recent years, without people asking “Communism?” Of course, it would be easier to explain all this without the likes or Milne&Murray&Co hanging around in the shadows…
Very glad Corbyn is emphasising growing the economy [just don’t mention Brexit].
It's all yes/no/maybe ... Yes enough to get pounced on and commie labels but no/maybe for the best part of 40% Labour voters that voted LEAVE.
How is this costed? Is it costed with remaining or leaving?
From C4 news last night, economic thinking is moving on from the free market idealism of the the 80d, 90s and 00s. Maybe we should be framing the free marketeers as the misty eyed nostalgics….
or maybe we should deal with the immediate problem first?
FWIW, I used to like Diane many moons ago, before she sent her kids to private school whilst being ideologically opposed to them.
My kids' education trumps my political beliefs: I can't speak for Abbott, but I'd take a deep breath and send my kids private if the only alternative was a particularly bad state school.
My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs: I can’t speak for Abbott, but I’d take a deep breath and send my kids private if the only alternative was a particularly bad state school.
Which is fair enough but then say so....
What exactly is a bad state school anyway as in what makes it bad or worse than other state schools?
There are plenty of capable politicians in both main parties.
I'd have more sympathy with this view if the ones you repeatedly promote weren't Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper, Jess Phillips and Anna Soubry. Again though you're obsessing about personalities, when what we should be concentrating on is the policy and the direction of travel. Thatcher was a very capable politician, look where that got us.
Good point.
Binners - do you actually want to see state owned railways and utilities?
My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs: I can’t speak for Abbott, but I’d take a deep breath and send my kids private if the only alternative was a particularly bad state school.
Where do you think Dianne (or any other politician for that matter) lives? In the middle of some Jeremy Kyle sink estate? I doubt the schools in the vicinity of their homes are going to be hotbeds of teenage pregnancies, free school meals and knife crime.
And what percentage of Dianne's constituents do you think would have the option of private schooling open to them?
Binners – do you actually want to see state owned railways and utilities?
I know you're not asking me but at this point in time the question is IMHO irrelevant.
Most importantly what I don't want to see is rushing into it and doing it badly.
... and it will only happen if Labour get elected with a majority anyway so it's pie in the sky...
They are stuffed with complete imbeciles, who’s only qualification for being in a senior position is their unquestioning loyalty to the idiot they refer to as their leader
on that note, out on my lunchtime run today, I very nearly ran into geoffrey cox and his 'entourage'. fortunately I heard his ridiculous voice before I saw him. i thought it was a persona he put on for parliament but it seems not.
Where do you think Dianne (or any other politician for that matter) lives? In the middle of some Jeremy Kyle sink estate? I doubt the schools in the vicinity of their homes are going to be hotbeds of teenage pregnancies, free school meals and knife crime.
I can’t speak for Abbott
And what percentage of Dianne’s constituents do you think would have the option of private schooling open to them?
My kids’ education trumps my political beliefs
Most importantly what I don’t want to see is rushing into it and doing it badly.
Railways are already state owned. Are you talking about the services run on them? Where’s the “rushing”? Taking them into public hands when franchises end is the Labour plan, isn’t it? Remember the East Coast mainline services? What did they cost the UK state when publicly run for a few years, above what it was costing when in private hands?
I don’t have a problem with privately owned and rail services in some (many) circumstances, bu there are definitely routes that being failed year after year, with the government mostly shrugging and saying “not on us”. It is on the government. And taking franchises (I’d prefer it to be selective rather than rolled out everywhere) away from companies, and running them publicly, can’t come soon enough in some areas.
Binners – do you actually want to see state owned railways and utilities?
Is there another way to ensure that profit making parts subsidize non-profit making parts? So public transport on busy routes did it on less busy routes but makes it possible to serve people who need it?
DA was on Any Questions on Fri- she wasn't great.
I like DA… but she shouldn’t have a front bench position, she can’t handle the communication part of the job. Well, I say that, but look at some of the others… many are worse.
I don’t have a problem with privately owned and rail services in some (many) circumstances, bu there are definitely routes that being failed year after year,
That’s all very well, but it would be (already is in parts of the rail network, the prison service, and the NHS) privatisation of profit and nationalisation of losses. Why should you and I effectively subsidise shareholder profits through our taxes because they want to cherry pick the juicy contracts?
Would I like to see the railways renationalised?
Very much so.
Do I have even the slightest shred of confidence if the ability of Corbyn and the clowns around him not to achieve that task?
What do you think?
I’ve said god knows how many times on this and other threads that my problem isn’t with ideology, it’s with competence.
Look at the influence that idiots like Len McClusky have, then have a think about how their idea of renationalising would pan out?
Just take a moment.,,,
Think it’ll go well?
It wouldn’t and the electorate know it. That’s why the tories are polling at 45% and we’re going to end up with a 1000 year Tory reich.
Think labour will win in 2025? **** no, they’ll make Rayner leader.
So 2030 at a minimum.
they’ll make Rayner leader.
#BackingBurgon
If Johnson gets his majority, all the gerrymandering the Tories keep having to put on the back burner will start kicking off again, and Labour will be out for longer then 10 years, no matter what changes they make internally. But still, let’s not worry about that and start working with other parties to stop Johnson… instead… onwards to a glorious “we didn’t lose by as much as the polling suggested” future.
Burgon is utterly useless.
It really is 1983 all over again in the Labour Party
With the same results
Especially as the rest of us (who they’re meant to represent) get *ed over by the Tory’s for another *ing decade+.
Again
Bunch of self-absorbed, self-serving, clueless, virtue-signalling, placard-waving, sixth form level tossers
They’ll all be alright, obviously...
The multi-millionaire Marxists
Oh... and how are things in Bolivia?
It’s basically over, I’m afraid.
Johnson is going to get his majority and royally **** everyone except a few hedge fund managers, rich pensioners and spiv outsourcing firms.
And Labour will go down without so much as a bit of small arms fire.
Like farting against thunder with a lame duck like Corbyn at the helm. This could and should have been so very different.
Frank, lest we forget, he is currently Shadow Secretary of State for Justice and Shadow Lord Chancellor.
That's the calibre of people The Jezziah has around him.
It’s not over yet… but a hell of a lot needs happen in the next few weeks…
Please let us run your interwebz. Please?
Britain's opposition Labour Party was using a $20-a-month "basic security" service to protect its website when hackers attempted to force it offline last week and temporarily slowed down online campaigning, according to internal emails seen by Reuters.
Such entry-level protection is not recommended for large organisations at high risk of cyberattacks, but the messages show Labour has since decided against upgrading to an increased security package on grounds of cost.
https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKBN1XT27T?taid=5dd430b5288b7c000126f13c&utm
Still, at least Milne and Murray got their pay rises, comrades!
CFH - yes, I know what role Burgon holds.
Johnson's front bench team are equally unimpressive - and significantly more odious.
Oven ready...
Pretty dull and uninspiring so far. Great choice eh?
Ok this thread is really beginning to annoy me now.
Binners. You put more effort into slagging off Labour despite being on their side than you do the Tories. This is the definition of infighting isn't it? One of many things that you heavily criticise Labour for, and yet you're doing it yourself. Corbyn wasnt elected in a vacuum. Situation led us here, so don't just attack him all day long, it's damaging the prospects of your own side.
Flashheart. You're just throwing mud like a kid in a playground. You know damn well that the Labour party website is probably run by some junior minion with no clue. You also know that Labour party HQ doesn't just take over the country if an election is won, there's like, a government, a civil service and stuff. You're just making snide insinuations to mock the side you don't like, like a primary school kid. ****ing piss poor.
Everyone else: grr.
Ok this thread is really beginning to annoy me now.
I'm quite enjoying it. The plight of people on here who've spent the last however long slagging off labour/Corbyn and parroting the lies and smears from the people they supposedly disagree with is something to behold. And then they whine about how unfair it all is that the tories are ahead. Have I mentioned how people get the government they deserve? Well this place is a test-case of that.
Molls - I grew up in a northern town In the 80’s when the Tory’s just closed down the pits. I loath them with every fibre of my being. I can never forgive them for what they did to us, especially as they seem to enjoy it
So I get absolutely infuriated when I see the Labour Party repeat the mistakes of the 80’s, by being totally unelectable, allow the Tory's the complete free run they gave them from 1979 until 1997
The Labour Party under Corbyn and his millionaire Marxists are doomed to eternal opposition.
But they’re alright with that because they’ll carry on waving their placards and they won’t be the ones getting bent over by the Tory’s while they go in dry.
There will always be slagging off as long as parties sick to blind ideology rather than making individual decisions on individual situations at individual times based on what's best for the country.
The Conservatives and Labour are probably the best examples of this.
Molls – I grew up in a northern town In the 80’s when the Tory’s just closed down the pits. I loath them with every fibre of my being. I can never forgive them for what they did to us, especially as they seem to enjoy it
Same here.
And the only way we can reverse some of that shit is to go for the type of Government Corbyn is offering.
I don't know what sort of Government you think is gong to fix that.