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cromolyolly “Playing the race card” is a political trick a old as politics.
Ah, gotcha. See what you mean. Not sure I would describe it as whipping up hate though, the way Len was using it. Maybe more a dog-whistle phrase. Lots of perfectly reasonable remainers are not totally on board with free movement. Although you have to wonder if the UK had been more prosperous for the last 10 years if that would still be the case. I suspect they are looking at the mess that austerity has made plus free movement and come up with 5.
Yep my bad 27.6% of electorate which equals 40% of the vote share.
Remind me again why the two major parties won't consider Proportional Representation...?
So overdue.
There is not even anything “fairly” hard left about labour policies. just left of centre social democratic policies
How many times are you going to repeat this? Corbyns labour is nothing like Scandinavian social democracy. Social democracy only have at most a minority of essential utilities and public services under public ownership - that is not even the case with many of them in the 21st century. They are NOT countries that look to bring 10 percent of private companies under state control and seize intellectual property - these are policies that are further left than any social democracy.
The labour party needs a female leader, end of.
How authoritarian of you.
matt_outandabout
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Yep my bad 27.6% of electorate which equals 40% of the vote share.
Remind me again why the two major parties won’t consider Proportional Representation…?
So overdue.
Yes please!
How authoritarian of you.
Probably the only time using authority is justified. Positive discrimination works. When you have had centuries of ingrained institutional and cultural bias, it won’t change by accident, it has to be forced.
In any case I’m pretty sure Rayner would wipe the floor with her male colleagues in a leadership election so it’s academic.
it has to be forced.
I wonder how over say the last 5 years what percentage of political party leaders in the UK have been female? How many were forced?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaders_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom
In any case I’m pretty sure Rayner would wipe the floor with her male colleagues in a leadership election so it’s academic.
Or stand aside if one of them started to identify as a woman. You know since Labour have never had a male identifying as a woman (a transwoman) as leader before and when you have had centuries of ingrained institutional and cultural bias, it won’t change by accident, it has to be forced.
Benv just what are you getting at here? You don’t think labour need a female leader? Or are you just fighting for the rights of poor oppressed middle aged white men?
No, they need a leader voted in fair and square, best one for the job. That wiki link shows that if the best candidate is a woman then they will be voted in without the need for the vote being rigged first.
In any case I’m pretty sure Rayner would wipe the floor with her male colleagues in a leadership election so it’s academic.
Really? Someone who dropped out of school at 16, drops her "T's" and can barely string a sentence together? I guess she might win the Labour leadership election, she'd do even worse than Corbyn in a national election though. There are plenty of electorally capable women in the Labour party, Rayner isn't one of them.
It's a sign of just how low the Labour party has sunk when the bookies are putting better leadership odds on Rayner than Cooper.
Fear not. The 6th formers will elect somebody equally as hopeless to take over the mantle of permanent opposition from Jezza.
Just watched him on channel 4 news talking about the NHS. Labour strongest suite, apparently. Supposedly he’s energised, he’s a campaigner
Yeah, right
He looked barely alive. Virtually catatonic. Every inch the over-promoted shop steward he is. He might as well have had this in his hand
Binners, dont be so unfair. He was present, but not involved.
They are NOT countries that look to bring 10 percent of private companies under state control and seize intellectual property
What the...?
10% of companies under state control?
He's trolling
Labour does need the next leader to be female...
Jess Phillips
Boris Johnson is a liar.
Boris Johnson is an opportunist who screwed up a protest vote by winning it accidentally and then nailed his colours to whatever mast suited his own ambition.
Boris Johnson is a laughing stock worldwide.
Boris Johnson has basically one policy.
But most of all....
Boris Johnson is a tosser.
And yet he is looking likely to win a majority.
Meanwhile Corbyn is just surrendering. He actually looks relieved.
What a ****ing mess.
Remind me again why the two major parties won’t consider Proportional Representation…?
Just remember we had a referendum on that. Our utterly thick electorate turned that down too.
Corbyn is already waving the white flag.
Any leader of the opposition would be running rings around the shambles that is Joris Bohnson
Corbyn looks like it’s all too much trouble as he knows he’s going to lose anyway so he’ll just go through the motions before he gets to shuffle off to the allotment
With his millions though (yay, socialism!) he’ll not suffer the worst effects of post-Brexit Tory Britain. That’ll be left to us mugs.
He never fails to disappoint, does he?
Imagine having an opposition leader worth calling that without your head in your hands? Labour would and really should be walking this
The fact they’re 10+ points behind is all the comment you need on the clueless, rudderless, half-arsed leadership vacuum at the top of the Labour Party with Magic Grandad and the gang of idiots around him
I will vote for him.
So will I.
I’ve replayed what he said about immigration 3 times, and I haven’t got a scooby what he meant by it. Is this deliberate, or ineffective? I don’t know. It won’t stop me voting for Labour, it will make undecideds just shrug.
Just remember we had a referendum on that.
No we didn’t.
Boris Johnson is a laughing stock worldwide.
As is the UK as a whole. Oh, I see where this is going…
Did I hear on PM that the Libdems are putting 1p on income tax? Personally, I'm in favour.
He actually looks relieved.
Do we blame him? He never wanted this gig, he had it forced on him by events. As useless as he is he's done pretty well to cope as well as he has. I'd have had a nervous breakdown in the first month, I'd think almost all of us would be off with stress by now.
Should have stepped down 2 years ago when he lost the election.
Didn’t
And now he’s about to condemn us all to the hardest of Brexits and five years of Boris Johnson
He’ll be alright though
How very Tory
But think about the poor souls like Milne & Murray…
How will they afford to make ends meet?
Did I hear on PM that the Libdems are putting 1p on income tax?
Yes, both Labour and LibDems have specific tax rises proposals… where as the magic money tree Tories are promising lots of big new spending and vague tax cuts. Only one party peddling full on fantasy policies, and they are also the ones pushing a hard Brexit that will damage the economy and cost billions to prepare for. You can’t trust the Conservative party on the economy or state finances.
Or stand aside if one of them started to identify as a woman. You know since Labour have never had a male identifying as a woman (a transwoman) as leader before and when you have had centuries of ingrained institutional and cultural bias, it won’t change by accident, it has to be forced.
Benv just what are you getting at here?
Seems pretty clear to me. If you're going to have a policy of discrimination why not help people who are clearly being held back? White women have long since got themselves established in the party leaderships stakes, there are many other groups of people who haven't.
What's your case for not helping them?
Kelvin - I’ve no idea how the gang of multi-millionaire champagne Marxists around grandad will weather the storms of turbo-charged, post-Brexit, hyper-austerity their ineptitude will deliver the rest of us
#prayforseamasandlen
they need a leader voted in fair and square, best one for the job.
This, you can't play your B-Team in democratic politics. Most likely a woman will be able to win on merit (they have done in almost all the other parties) if not the job can't go to a woman on that occasion.
Just remember we had a referendum on that. Our utterly thick electorate turned that down too.
Are you counting yourself in that number?
We didnt have an referendum on PR we had it on AV since for that referendum Cameron had the brains to stack the cards and the libdems were incompetent enough to let him get away with it.
AV is a very dubious options. Clegg was right to call it a miserable compromise.
Its advantages against FPTP arent clear as it can actually amplify the imbalances.
White women have long since got themselves established in the party leaderships stakes, there are many other groups of people who haven’t.
Dianne abbot? She's female and black. Ticks a box.
Utterly inarticulate though despite being quite intelligent.
What is corbyn thinking keeping her around, she's just bad press, plenty of more competent people around! Gina Miller springs to mind, unfortunately not in politics though.
Nationalised broadband? Full fibre connection to every home and business?
I think I’m in. Time for the UK to get up to date. Good policy from Labour that spans nonsense left/right divides. The government investing to modernise infrastructure where the market has clearly failed, giving a boost to small and medium sized businesses in areas where connection are currently poor.
Gina Miller springs to mind, unfortunately not in politics though.
Here’s my vote… take it now.
Corbyn has done the same as Johnson. Demanded loyalty as the only qualification (oh, the irony), regardless of any actual ability, which even the most cursory glance reveals to be woefully absent
So we have 2 front benches packed with utter imbeciles (with one or two notable exceptions) with infinitely more capable and able people sat impotently behind them because they didn’t apply for their fan club badge
Our political system now comprises two gangs of equally clueless morons who are just prepared to say yes to their idiotic leaders without asking any awkward questions like ‘WTF are you actually trying to do?’
Nationalised broadband?
Nationalised social media sounds like a good shout, I mean having it in private hands is so undemocratic. We could tie it to a social credit score system and ID cards, with your social score based on how untory you are.
Anyway, I'm off to **** over a poster of Mao Zedong.
Sorry, what?!?
So let’s unpack Labour’s latest giveaway - nationalising BT and giving everyone free fibre broadband (ftth) by 2030.
How will it play out?
BT will start making plans to move its corporate HQ and the actual outcome will be:
- Corbyn tries to nationalise BT
- new home country of BT group says no
- the government loses all of the corporation tax
- the U.K. receives no more investment in telecoms
- no-one gets free fibre broadband.
Tomorrow every household will be promised its own Unicorn by 2030.
Openreach is already separate, and has a near monopoly on broadband connections. The rest of BT could choose to go elsewhere I suppose, but it does rely on government licences to sell its other services here, so such tactics could backfire.
binners
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Labour does need the next leader to be female…
Jess Phillips
With Angela Rayner as deputy.
Neither of whom are.....
multi-millionaire champagne Marxists
However, they both have unpopular accents, which will probably upset the shallow minded.
Y'know, like beards.
Dianne abbot? She’s female and black. Ticks a box.
Really?
So according to the Brexit nutter on QT, 8 peerages and various other bribes have been offered for Brexit party candidates to stand down in marginal seats
However, they both have unpopular accents, which will probably upset the shallow minded.
Y’know, like beards.
Jess Philips at least seems intelligent and well educated.
Openreach is already separate, and has a near monopoly on broadband connections.
The infrastructure is still a monopoly.
Case study, my boss who's considerably richer than me, recently bought a new build house.
His broadband speed is like back in the days of dial up.
It's about 1meg. Maybe two, whatever.
There's no provision for broadband in New builds, and the builder isn't going to pay virgin or open reach to plumb in FTTC or FTTP if they can help it.
Binners, do yourself a favour, give up on watching QT. It’s trash.
There’s no provision for broadband in New builds, and the builder isn’t going to pay virgin or open reach to plumb in FTTC or FTTP if they can help it.
And even the Conservatives are prepared to plow money into Openreach to try and get even reasonable, never mind good, connections to areas without it. Why not think and act bigger?
Free broadband is as impossible as free NHS.
It's not.
It's should be part of our accepted infrastructure.
Well done on this one. Lots of positive vibes on this.
(Can you unplug binners' connection?)
binners
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Labour does need the next leader to be female…
Jess Phillips
She will probably be the next leader of the Libdems.
Bring back Jozzer , Jess is busy with her books and Times supplement shoots.
"go on then, you give I' meh"
It’s not.
It’s should be part of our accepted infrastructure.
Communist! Why don't you go and live in Russia.
You'll be suggesting free prescriptions and free Hospital parking next.
As if that could ever work in a social democracy...
I can remember a time when they all said Boris was going to be the end of Corbyn because he's so much better campaigner than May... Turns out he appears to be worse.
Mops, piss off from the floodlands, leaving town centres quickly, singing songs with kids ... badly.
Ouch.
As if that could ever work in a social democracy…
It’ll be state funded education next. Crazy!