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Tories will be between 10 to 20 seats short of a majority, that's my bet
Anyone want to steak a greggs pasty on it?
Tories short of a majority.
Boris negotiates with Scottish Government to repeal the Treaty of Union.
UK no longer exists so existing EU treaties are null and void.
Subsequent wirhdrawal of Scottish MPs leaves Tories with a majority.
rUK remains under Tory rule for the remainder of the century.
Anyone want to steak a greggs pasty on it?
Jesus, no. Nobody deserves that on top of BoJo as PM. That's insult on top of injury
Both the bookies and the currency markets are saying Con majority. So that's that.
The tories will have to be polling higher than they are to get a majority. Were are the 30 gains coming from?
Then whatever centrist has replaced JC
Centrism is disappearing. The divisions in society will not allow it to flourish any longer - certainly in any form currently.
Since Jonathan Freedland started attacking Corbyn over AS instead of his campaign - you know it's dead.
In other news it appears Farage standing down candidates confirms my second set of thoughts - it doesn't hugely hurt Labour. But if he does stand down candidates in Labour held Marginals that could be a problem.
This is born out by some Tories panicking this morning that Farage should not run candidates in certain areas.
Could be another interesting day.
I'm still trying to get my head round how Farage became to be so important without achieving anything other than seemingly being a rent-a-head for panel shows and radio phone-ins. He managed to sneak into being an MEP (which back then no-one really cared about) then spend his time being the naughty boy at the back always interrupting the teacher but that was just him showing himself to be a massive arse. How can one strange man be able to effectively dictate UK election plans for other parties by just saying a few words?
Sainsbury's on the Socialist Xmas campaign...
How can one strange man be able to effectively dictate UK election plans for other parties by just saying a few words?
Because, when viewed collectively, people are really, really stupid.
For every sharp political commentator out there there are tens of thousands of dumbasses who believe every single meme they read on Facebook.
They all get a vote just the same.
Universal suffrage innit.
How can one strange man be able to effectively dictate UK election plans for other parties by just saying a few words?
Because there is a rather large brexiteer elite, including the owners of several media stations, looking to make some profit and using him as a frontman.
That and Cameron was an idiot.
Sainsbury’s on the Socialist Xmas campaign…
I'm getting the deserving vs undeserving poor vibe, which seems more appropriate for your average Sainsbury's shopper. The Victorian attitude to welfare is probably the direction of travel for the next government. It doesn't feel very socialist, that's for sure!
For every sharp political commentator out there there are tens of thousands of dumbasses who believe every single meme they read on Facebook.
They all get a vote just the same.
There are dumbasses and intelligent people with no common sense whatsoever.(Liberals)
Fake News. Not even Bolivia. 🙂
Centrism is disappearing.
Centrist politicians might be. But then someone will move into the gap. It's how it goes.
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Wibble … centrists … wibble … liberals …
Johnson can rely on everyone else to ignore what needs doing, and attack everyone else instead of him and his policies. He has this in the bag.
We need the opposition parties and their voters to start working together towards the same aim… stopping a Conservative Brexit Party majority by any and all means… or we are in for a decade that’ll make us look back at this one with fondness.
Because, when viewed collectively, people are really, really stupid.
Plus a lot of people are racist to some degree. They may not openly admit it but when given some options that appeal to their inner racist they like them. The options are made up and not based on fact of course but that is where the stupidity comes in and they just believe it.
Better known as populism.
Plus a lot of people are racist to some degree.
It's a little bit more subtle. A lot of people feel a little germ of discomfort around things or people that are different. I think this is part of human nature, probably going back to before we were even human - I've certainly felt it. Often it grows into an -ism which could just as easily be racism, tribalism, xenophobia, homophobia or a wide variety of stuff. When we sit around on our own, or in echo chambers, there is nothing to challenge, because humans respond to what others are doing. 50 years ago people were flat out racist, simply because everyone else was and their little seeds grew into racism trees.
Some people however thought about their feelings, listened to those affected, and decided that it wasn't fair to condemn someone on these terms, so they campaigned and educated, and that kind of post-rationalised racism is much rarer than it was. Instead, we are post-rationalising xenophobia now against white foreigners - the terrible 'Eastern Europeans' who are "taking over everything".
I fully believe most people aren't bad, they just don't think very carefully about their own feelings. Populism flatters their base instinct, and populists use this to gain power. Labour's problem is that their campaign is too rational. Corbyn and McDonnell are presenting reasoned responses to try and solve the country's problems, unfortunately at a time of high emotion, populism and societal divisions this doesn't get many people inspired unless they're already invested in trying to solve social problems. Then their campaign looks 'ineffective' but only because we're used to being manipulated by spin and oratory.
People also aren't thinking very carefully about policies either. From BBC:
Billy [Bishop Auckland] thinks Brexit has left people feeling betrayed by all the parties.
"They thought 'give the monkeys a vote, they'll vote to stay in' and that's when the trouble started.
"They don't want to honour what the people said and keep the working classes down."
Labour policy is a second referendum, which is literally asking the people what they want. So how can that be not honouring the people's wishes?
Labour policy is a second referendum, which is literally asking the people what they want. So how can that be not honouring the people’s wishes?
I assume he means because we haven't left the EU yet.
On Farage
He is the frontman for a 20+ year campaign against the EU by a small number of press barons who want a extreme right wing neo liberal " singapore of the north" style UK because it suits their agenda.
Thats all it is
These people have been pushing forward their racist agenda for decades. Its the old " big lie" technique
Centrist politicians might be. But then someone will move into the gap. It’s how it goes.
Yeah to a point. But that gap will get smaller as the parties diverge, and inequality gets wider.
It doesn’t feel very socialist, that’s for sure!
That because the director can't very well come out full Ken Loach in the interests of his client. 🙂
What's all this Russian donor stuff?
Must be magic grandad's fault. Being a useless 6th-form gardening spy.
That because the director can’t very well come out full Ken Loach in the interests of his client.
I, Denial fake... 🙂
Boom boom.
Most of the UK political scene is centerist!
the only major party that is not is the tories. Eveyone else sits firmly in the european social democratic tradition which is centerist. Its just with the tories puling so far to the right ( alongside neo facists in europe) that it superficially appears that the rest have moved left
I have done this before and got no answer. What plicies from the mainstream parties (bar the tories) are not in the european social democratic centrist position? answer? None!
Here we go then:
Still not releasing the Russia Interference Report, Boris? Of course not...
Labour policy is a second referendum, which is literally asking the people what they want. So how can that be not honouring the people’s wishes?
seems to be a new tack from the Brexit party on avoiding a second referendum. There was a guy* on R4 last night as I drove home and it was all he kept returning too.
if they are so confident that brexit is what the population want, why are they so scared of asking them?
edit: Richard Tice.
Most of the UK political scene is centerist!
the only major party that is not is the tories. Eveyone else sits firmly in the european social democratic tradition which is centerist. Its just with the tories puling so far to the right ( alongside neo facists in europe) that it superficially appears that the rest have moved left
I have done this before and got no answer. What plicies from the mainstream parties (bar the tories) are not in the european social democratic centrist position? answer? None!
Ok I know I shouldn't but I'll bite. Perhaps you could point out where anyone is planning major re nationialisation of major industries, and where there is a proposal to confiscate 10% of mid to large companies shares?
Trouble with you TJ is you're so far to the left, from your position everything else looks central or right. It isn't.
Ok I know I shouldn’t but I’ll bite. Perhaps you could point out where anyone is planning major re nationialisation of major industries
By industries I assume you mean utilities?
Wrong question. The correct question is which other countries privatised the industries for a quick buck and to help their mates in the city out.
The nice thing about the UK is how many of our utilities (and other industries for that matter) are state owned. Just not by our state.
Tories will be between 10 to 20 seats short of a majority, that’s my bet
Anyone want to steak a greggs pasty on it?
Up until 2 days ago I'd have taken that and raised you a tub of pigs in blankets. I reckoned a hung parliament, with labour getting the most seats but nowhere near a majority.
But the man-frog just well and truly scuppered that. I hope he enjoys his 'Lord Farage' title.
So, at present, I think you're right. But....
I reckon Farage will also back down in a week or so and announce they will not field candidates in Tory/labour marginals, on condition that Boris goes full crash out/hard Brexit
And that's labour well and truly ****ed!
And I have a horrible feeling that that will deliver Johnson a tiny majority. Enough to crash us out as the labour party tears itself apart in the wake of yet another election defeat
Ok I know I shouldn’t but I’ll bite. Perhaps you could point out where anyone is planning major re nationialisation of major industries, and where there is a proposal to confiscate 10% of mid to large companies shares?
100pc agree. Including with the fact you shouldn't have bitten! 😀
The correct question is which other countries privatised the industries
A lot:
https://www.railjournal.com/opinion/the-tide-is-turning-for-private-operators
...and EU rules already make a state rail monopoly illegal and are going to make private involvement in railways compulsory with the Fourth Railway Package.
IMO, to counter faarange's cowardly refusal to stand candidates in tory strongholds, Labour need to join with the SNP/LibDem/PC/Green alliance. Labour stand little chance of beating Blohard without TBP splitting the tory vote. Jeremy needs to swallow his pride or else Blohard will return with a majority and force his style of Brexit on us all plus a tory government for the next decade or more. Time for a reality check for Labour and Jeremy.
A lot:
Thats a piece written in 2018 and, to put it mildly, comes across as propaganda central eg the hilarious claim it was successful in the UK. It does manage to acknowledge though this is extremely piecemeal but then fails to establish what is actually meant by successful? Lots of money for shareholders or improved services?
The correct question is which other countries privatised the industries for a quick buck
A lot:
Thats a piece written in 2018 and, to put it mildly, comes across as propaganda central eg the hilarious claim it was successful in the UK. It does manage to acknowledge though this is extremely piecemeal but then fails to establish what is actually meant by successful? Lots of money for shareholders or improved services?
I can't see the relevance of this to your question/my reply about which countries have privatized their trains?
where there is a proposal to confiscate 10% of mid to large companies shares?
Not in the UK, that's for sure.
Well it looks like the brexit party is falling apart at the seams, thier own candidates barred from standing citing boris's surrender deal is a betrayal as it's not a no deal brexit, and those that are standing are not expected to make much impact, it's the UKIP hype phantom all over again.
IMO, to counter faarange’s cowardly refusal to stand candidates in tory strongholds Labour need to join with the SNP/LibDem/PC/Green alliance.
Labour would lose votes because they'd be openly guilt of cowardly refusing to stand candidates in some opponents seats, as you would put it.
So your first sentence explains why the two big parties can't to do a deal like that and why Labour have a rule specifically forbidding them from doing so.
I can’t see the relevance of this to your question/my reply about which countries have privatized their trains?
Well if we are going with this sort of tedious shit. Then you failed to answer.
However since you have shown yourself repeatedly incapable of a sensible discussion (eg your failure to do anything but shout Laffer curve) I wont waste any more time on you.
it’s the UKIP hype phantom all over again.
A lot more profitable for Farage though.
where there is a proposal to confiscate 10% of mid to large companies shares?
Not in the UK, that’s for sure.
Well it looks like the brexit party is falling apart at the seams
Their PPC for St. Ives, was drafted into Falmouth after that one decided against standing against the Tories so as not to split the vote, he's now been announced as the PPC for Bristol South!?
https://twitter.com/Wayne_BayIey/status/1194020457772658690
Predictable resposnses
Most European countries have all their natural monopolies under state control in some form. so nationalising them only brings us back to a similar position to most.
On the share ownership thing? Again we lag far behind in workers owning part of buisnesses so a radical step is needed to bring us into a similar position to most european countries. ie back to the centre
Hard left would be nationalising without compensation. Centrist is buying back or waiting until the franchise expires and not renewing
Hard left is a planned economy, centrist is a mixed economy, hard right is unfettered markets
As for the idea I am so far left - utter ludicrous ad shows two things. The very poor understanding of what left wing means and the blinkered far right attitudes some of you have