So, 2 months ago I was going through a rough time at work (people have bigger problems, I know that, I have work for a start). I'd been called into a review meeting at short notice and the way I'd been treated left me feeling worried, insecure and convinced I was about to be sacked.
I received bags (6 pages!) worth of support and advice. For that, I'm grateful [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/about-to-be-sacked-and-devastated ]I got a bit panicky here[/url]
I'm still with the same employer and things have got worse. I'm sent emails asking me to justify everything. My monthly 'one-to-ones' have involved my line manager handing me a bit of paper and telling me to 'read it, sign it and return it.' I also found out the same manager has been asking 2 of my direct reports what they think I'm doing wrong and what negative impact I've had on the business since I joined. This is the same manager that interviewed me and offered me the role. Thakfully, the 2 reports have remained honest and tried to keep out of what seems like a bit of a vendetta (bit dramatic, I know).
Anyway, to round off the story I'm going in on Monday morning to hand in my notice as I start a new (better) job in a month's time following a call, out of the blue, from a competitor where I have ex-colleagues working - which I didn't even know.
So, with a celebratory beer on the go, cheers all and thanks.
Ha ha. - enjoy that moment!
Well bloody done fella!
I'll raise a glass to that. Had similar and it ain't nice.
nice one, don't forget to crap on the desk while you tell them 🙂
High five! All the best to you.
you need to get a strangers crap or better still some dog crap as they can get dna from your poo
oh and well done!
Awesome, well done you. Blood pressure will come down a notch or two 🙂
hope you get an "exit interview" and are able to tell them what for 😉
be sure to mention the words "industrial tribunal" and "constructive dismissal"
Result.
Nice one!
Good luck, but don't burn your bridges. You may really want to, but you never know how things will pan out.
good on you.
It's incredible how many people use the place of work to bully and intimidate people. It's just a job you sad ****ers!
Excellent.
Some threads need a like button.
Nice 😀
PS, If you wish to leave a present when you go, I can send you the contents of the cat-litter tray...
Anywhere warm to hide fish products in your work? 😀
Well done dude! Take time over that letter, and try and include the flowing words:
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🙂
At the exit interview ask matey what his/her problem was. The REAL reason.
Give him/her some 360 degree feedback on their overbearing and bullying nature.
Beautiful. I remember the original thread very well and was getting a bit worried as I worked my way through your second paragraph.
Well done, and good luck at the new place.
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He's right you know!
Great news!
Yup, whenever I run the scenario thorugh my mind it involves some form of defication, urine and probably some cress seeds. Maybe a kipper and a heating duct.
When, in actual fact, it'll probably irk them more that I continue doing the role properly, don't take any sick and wish them all the best.
I guess it's a kind of 'you know, I know, you know' kind of thing. It's making me feel a little smug thinking about it.
Plus, it pains me to say it, if I back something out into a 'to-do' tray I'm bound to need that person again in the future. The world's funny like that.
So, despite my mind runing wild with ideas, I guess I'll thank them for their opportunity - making a point of thanking my line manager personally for their support - and wish them luck.
calm, understated, professional and with a massive f*ck-off grin on your face is the way to go.
Sooooooooooooooooo, glad I had a life, and didn't become an office wageslave, to a bunch of arseholes. Good luck fellah
Yay more good news, PP earlier in the week and now this. top stuff :Y:
[edit] the :Y: thing does a thumbs up on our messenger thing at work, but obviously doesn't work here [/edit]
Well done mate.
For your own self respect remain respectful to the last then politely tell this manager eff awf.
Or, hand in notice & go sick for a month.
yup,,,tell him to **** off..
you only live once, this is your time
Glad it's worked out for you. I hate it when managers/companies are cowardly and bully people out of a job.
Although IME, karma does her job pretty well 🙂
My advice, leave with your pride intact and head held high. Say nothing unpleasant, just keep your view to yourself. Your silence will speak volumes to the bullies... and it reminds them who's the better man
Don't say anything more than 'goodbye, I'm off'.
That sounds ace mate! wahoo! 🙂 I thnk you are right with the quieter approach myself.
Excellent.Some threads need a like button.
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Oh, and congratulations, and the very, very best of luck in your new job. Fantastic news. 😀
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Good luck, but don't burn your bridges. You may really want to, but you never know how things will pan out.
Nah, tell 'em to stick it. Good for you. I've also experienced this - my line manager and I never saw eye to eye and it took a Union meeting and a lot of bad feeling before they were forced to re-employ me after a constructive dismissal case. I left anyway but the principle is what matters in these cases.
3 words;
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Before i met my wife(bear with me?)i used to harbour vendettas?now im married to a bhuddist i've changed.If they don't want you leave?if you don't want them leave? life is too short!i used to live by the rule of i work 80hours a week for you you owe me ? nah more fool me ? now i get the support of my bosses as i make them more money than they ever made in a tough enviroment ,the key thing is A, they know i can be replaced/and i know that, B i could find an easier job that pays more ,C i need them and they need me -simples? i want to work for them and they put up with my overbearing standards + we click .they want me i need them ?its a job the Buisness has to win and we support each other /if that fails on either part -i will leave either on my own or forced ,if a bad reference is given in todays job market no matter what the circumstance i will not get another job so easy ,this is life so think ahead as ? alas you are still doing the same job in the same market in a small pond ??? A Thai proverb says "if you see just see?if you know just know?and when you taste just taste ?? so walk away happy you do not deal with them anymore and think of your future and your familys as this is what matters ? not scoring points
punctuation lacking??i know come on its 1 am re read it makes sense?
wtf?
thanks Trevron73. what do you think you can do? cos i have little Idea myself..!
Erm, thanks Trevron73. Not entirely sure I'm on your page, but I suspect I'd like to be.
'Know what's important' is a big thing for me, which is why I couldn't just walk - it'd put undue stress on the family. I try and keep perspective on things but sometimes you feel overwhelmed by it all. I'd never experienced that before working here so thought it was a bit of a wimpy thing to happen to someone, but it's real alright.
At the exit interview ask matey what his/her problem was. The REAL reason
Her. And I think that may have been part of the problem. I'm not a Her. Seemed there was something for them to prove? Not sure what it was but there was a completely different relationship with other female managers. Odd.
Fantastic. Be polite but cold and blunt when you hand it in. When I walked out of habitat I explained what I thought of the business and management. Politely but brutal. Well they insisted on a exit-interview.
Exit interview: thank the company for the years of support and be clear how much you regret having to leave. Then rip into your tool of a manager and suggest they should keep a close eye on his performance because in your opinion it's all the managers fault.
Genius. Focus on his comptency. Dont just think glad to be out/too much hassle. If you stay calm it can come across as a shock if another manager is present.
I'm really pleased that you have something positive to come from this. I read your original thread and could empathize completely as I was in a job that I hated working for people who had no concept of what they were doing. I am also out now and already feeling better despite a very challenging first month.
Good luck.
Make sure your letter of resignation makes it very clear that you are not leaving the company you are leaving your manager. I've done a lot of work in the past for the CIPD and it's very clear from their research that in fact most people leave companies for exactly the same reason. So big up the company and nail the bastard that's made your life a misery.
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You probably sucked at your job to be getting 'performance managed' so often. If you do your job correctly it is practically impossible to manage you out of a business in this way. To set you up for constructive dismissal I would have to give you tasks to do with insufficient time or support to do the job, which in return leaves me wide open for a bullying case. Bullying cases in court are won 90% of the time because the manager doesn't know the difference between correct performance management and just plain picking on someone, either way that person was usually underperforming.
Are you naive? If your face doesnt fit with a manager its called bullying, constant drip-feed of pressure
As said earlier, never burn bridges. But hand the letter in, with a nice warm internal smugness, you'll never forget. All the best with the new job, well done.
Don't burn bridges with the company. Tell the manager they're a complete tool if you get a moment alone together but keep your public face 'nice'.
Manager may move on and you might want to goback in future.
Go back?
If the problem is one individual then why assume you won't ever want to go back.
A lot of industries are quite small in a 40-50 year working life you meet the same people in lots of places. No point getting a reputation as someone who threw their toys out of the pram (others I the company may not know what's happening day to day).
It's the OPs choice I'm just urging caution.
pitchpro2011Â -Â MemberYou probably sucked at your job to be getting 'performance managed' so often. If you do your job correctly it is practically impossible to manage you out of a business in this way. To set you up for constructive dismissal I would have to give you tasks to do with insufficient time or support to do the job, which in return leaves me wide open for a bullying case. Bullying cases in court are won 90% of the time because the manager doesn't know the difference between correct performance management and just plain picking on someone, either way that person was usually underperforming.POSTED 47 MINUTES AGOÂ #Â REPORT-POST
Let me guess - you consider you have perfected 'performance management' and may even carry it out all the time
But maybe with better management and support you wouldn't have to [s]bully[/s] put your staff under 'performance management' all the time
So maybe you just suck at your job? Either way an unpleasant post - when really its good news for him to be moving on and he has been very open about the stress he has been through.
I start a new (better) job in a month's time following a call, out of the blue, from a competitor where I have ex-colleagues working - which I didn't even know.
He's just been offered a job out of the blue on the say so of former colleagues. That tells me something about his likely performance level and work ethic.
Well done OP.
There's always two sides to every story.
pitchpro2011 - you are under performing on here, get your coat and bugger off...probably to the box room in your mummies house. And if we ever meet, yes I would like fries with my burger.
Just read the original thread, my opinion is they weren't trying to get rid of you. As seniors they have to justify their jobs by either explaining why they are not hitting targets and what they've done to address the situation. If they keep saying to the board "team is under performing" just as you said yourself with nothing done to address the issue then your manager and director are likely to be disciplined themselves. This was your key to go away and prove that even though your team are understaffed and under performing you have done everything to further train your existing staff to perform better or performance manage the ones that refuse to try to do better even when given the right support. Your biggest mistake was not making your under performing team members accountable for their actions. You took the whole thing on your shoulders resulting in the buck stopping at you. This isn't passing the blame it bullying is making the actual people under performing accountable for there performance. It's easy to let someone go who's still on probation without any consequences but they kept you.
I wish you the best in your new job but remember don't take the fall for other people's shit.
Edit - had typed a response to pitchpro, but decided it didn't really matter.
Thanks to everyone for the congratulations/well wishing.
As much as you want too, try and leave on good terms. At my last job I gave lots more notice than was required and up until I was escorted out of the office early on the day I finished (something that not even sacked employes encountered) I was a model employee putting in top quality work and plenty of it, so the way I was removed from the building without even being able to say goodbye to friends was upsetting.
I left to follow a new path that failed to materialise, so returned to a similar type of work but higher up the promotion scale with a new company , shortly after a client of my old employer started to work with us but this meant working alongside my old employer which was funny as the person who escorted me off the premises was now face to face with me over a conference table and if I had made a fuss leaving it could have been tricker, although he has tried to blank me in meetings I always remain professional.
You never know when you may encounter your old company / boss so leave as amicable as you can unless you decide to try for constructive dismissal.
Mind you it sounds like something that used to occur in a company I worked for years ago, it was called performance management the company would manage people until they left rather than letting them go, increased sales targets, lots of negatives on one to ones, extra training courses etc.
On your last last day buy everyone a cake and get them individually wrapped , just replace boss mans with a freshly curled out nugget (obviously add a few sprinkles and a nice cake candle) Happy leaving day everyone!!!! 😀 yay
I knew my cake tasted strange.
I hope you enjoy your new job. I hated my last job, I'm pretty sure they hated me too and looking back I was pretty crap at it if I'm honest. Me leaving was great for everyone as in my current job (last 6 years) I seem to do no wrong and am still golden balls all these years later and they got someone much better suited to my old role. Thing is though, when you leave have a good long hard look at yourself and your performance - was there stuff you could have done differently, might there have been a shred of truth in what they were saying? This is your chance to reinvent your work persona with no baggage; just make sure you learn anything you need to learn and make adjustments so the next job can be a more pleasant experience. Even knobends can occasionally have a point!
Don't start with the resignation, have a bit of fun with the boss and see what happens first!
You never know what the outcome might be and you're fireproof. Well, not fire proof, but fireproof, if you see what I mean
Female manager you say? Start hitting on her in the last month, could be fun...
Sorry not read all the replies
but thanks for the happy ending....
Big Congrats to you,
I'm starting to feel the same way about my current role not helped by the fact they keep changing line managers who all seem inept.
So looking for a way out.
Maybe give you manager a leaving card like this
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I'm happy for you that you've managed to find another job. I'd string the person out all day and then hand in the resignation letter (dated from tomorrow...Sunday). I know people (me included sometimes) say not to burn bridges, but sometimes you're sure it's a bridge you're never going to cross again so **** it, why not.
I was shafted big style early on in my career by a couple of guys who exploited my naivety big style...both of them older and more politically cute than me. On my last day, the absolutely massive service manual I'd been writing was sat on my laptop with no decent back-up to speak of on the main server. There were lots of other things on there that these two would have needed. To be honest, I've no idea why they didn't confiscate the laptop immediately once they'd made me redundant.
There was a certain satisfaction in typing "Format C:" (or whatever it was you had to do back then on a windows 3.1 machine) and watching everything get deleted and handing it to my soon to be ex-boss. I'm sure there were ways and means back then to get the data somehow but it would have been a massive pain in the arse for them. I knew I'd never end up working for them or asking them for a reference anyway. Sometimes you have to just get one last boot in, if only for your own pride.
Don't start with the resignation, have a bit of fun with the boss and see what happens first!
As I've just spotted it's a female boss, I just want to clarify which kind of fun i meant!
I'm talking about questioning her professionalism, demanding a promotion, going over her head to the boss and dobbing her in.