Or were they?
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You think they're bad, what about in Mr Bump where Mr Herd the farmer hides behind a tree with saw in hand raised ready to bring it down on Mr Noseys nose. One can only imagine the ensuing carnage...
Have you ever read Little Red Riding Hood as an adult? It's [i]mental[/i].
Hahaha! Some brilliant ones.
Class! did laugh out loud!
Hah! 😆
Yes Loddrik.. I had to ban the Mr Nosey book from a 3yo yunki Jr..
What a message that was.. don't be inquisitive or the whole town will occasion violence upon your face with hammers and saws 😯
FFS!
I find the message behind a lot of stuff aimed at children is very ill conceived if you look at it through a kids eyes
The messages in some nursery rhymes are somewhat perturbing at times.
My 2 year old was singing 'Goosey Goosey gander' the other day and it contains the classic line.
"There I met an old man who wouldn't say his prayers, so I took him by the left leg and threw him down the stairs"
If Abu Hamza did nursery rhymes....
Have you ever read Little Red Riding Hood as an adult? It's mental.
Hansel and Gretel should be 18 rated. It's properly violent.
Also ours got given a book called Chicken Licken the other day. Basically the book sets the child up to form an emotional bond with Chicken Licken as she goes about her day meeting larger and larger birds until at the end she her band of meery poultry meet a fox who then cons then into getting eaten for lunch.
It's just cruel.
I find the message behind a lot of stuff aimed at children is very ill conceived if you look at it through a kids eyes
I disagree. I think most of the messages through a kids eyes are pretty benign. You need to have an adult's degenerate sense of the macabre/sexuality/violence to wilfully mis-interpret them 🙂
The Three Little Pigs doesn't end well for two of our heroes before the Big Bad Wolf is eventually boiled to death.
The original Hans Chistian Anderson books are quite grim I understand (could be an urban myth 😳 ). In Cinderella (not writen by him I just checked) one of the ugly sisters cuts her toes off to try and get the slipper on 😯
Wasn't there a character in Swallows and Amazons called Titty?
Fat Pussy looks like our cat.
the first two pigs run to the brick house in the book our kids have, still ends badly for wolfy tho.The Three Little Pigs doesn't end well for two of our heroes before the Big Bad Wolf is eventually boiled to death.
some yes, others I'm not so sure, I do know a lot of kids TV episodes appear to be about fixing something monumentally stupid the main protagonist did in the first 2 minutes. Can't decide whether "don't be a dick" would be a better message than "fix your **** ups"I think most of the messages through a kids eyes are pretty benign. You need to have an adult's degenerate sense of the macabre/sexuality/violence to wilfully mis-interpret them
The whole of charlottes web is the story of a piglet being fattened for slaughter. the spider dies, the little girl Fern (who can somehow speak with animals ) and is eight has a boyfriend by about half way in!!! The whole book is just a bit bonkers really
Did anyone else have Struwelpeter (sp?) as a kid?
Saw this in the local bookshop t'other day. Flashing clown.
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I do know a lot of kids TV episodes appear to be about fixing something monumentally stupid the main protagonist did in the first 2 minutes
This is why the newest incarnation of Postman Pat is utter shite. New Pat is just a complete cretin who continually needs to be bailed out by his friends.
It's not the violence and sex that puts me off so much as the dimwitted morality
Did anyone else have Struwelpeter (sp?) as a kid?
I remeber that! Isn't there a story in it about a kid who gets his thumbs cut off by a guy wielding a giant pair of scisssors? With gory illustrations as well.
her band of meery poultry meet a fox
Foxy Loxy, if memory serves.
I disagree. I think most of the messages through a kids eyes are pretty benign
I think kids just process things differently from adults. As kids, the messages you take from something like Red Riding Hood is all "my grandma, what big eyes you've got," it's a pretend scenario and that's how kids process it I reckon.
As an adult though, that story is properly shady. An anthropomorphised wolf grooms a little girl alone in the forest, tricking her into telling him where she's going. He then cons his way into a sick old lady's house, attacks and eats her, then indulges in a spot of cross-dressing in the dead woman's nightie in order to trick her bereaved granddaughter into bed. What other things Little Red Riding Hood thought were unusually oversized, we can only speculate.
So, yeah. I've heard parents say things like "I'm going to gobble you all up, omnomnom" and the kid bursts into giggles rather than being terrified at the threats of infanticide and cannibalism. Their brains don't take the same things seriously that we do.
the first two pigs run to the brick house in the book our kids have, still ends badly for wolfy tho.
That's another thing. Modern incarnations of fairy tales seem to have become diluted over time. The original versions are often much more grim(m).
Forgive me for asking. Why us the sad clown looking at his ummmmmmm, thingy?
That's another thing. Modern incarnations of fairy tales seem to have become diluted over time. The original versions are often much more grim(m).
I think the originals weren't just meant for kids.
spoiler!emsz - Member
The whole of charlottes web is the story of...
BTW can anyone remember a kids book, it was a twist on various childrens stories, pretty sure one story had 2 giants called clotted and cream, jack the retired giant killer going back to work. Think the title was something to do with wolf.
That's another thing. Modern incarnations of fairy tales seem to have become diluted over time. The original versions are often much more grim(m).I think the originals weren't just meant for kids.
Yes they were - but kids were hardier then! It is becoming an issue for kids (there was a comment on BBC somewhere) that over-protection is making them less resilient psychologically.
Why us the sad clown looking at his ummmmmmm, thingy?
ISTR it was to help kids learn about their bodies (a girly version exists too). But the disturbing thing for me was the cartoon characters are based on real performers, the Basque version of the Chuckle Bros., if you like. So I just get a mental image of this mustachioed man looking at (and playing with, inside the book...) his thingy.
Hansel and Gretel should be 18 rated. It's properly violent.
The Brothers Grimm collected folk tales. I don't think they were specifically for kids, but somewhere along the line people decided that fairies and the like were childish.
the newest incarnation of Postman Pat is utter shite
I concur, having just watched a couple of episodes of SDS with the weean.
I've just realised that the clown's got a moustache...so here's an adult playing with his thingy?
this is a children's book? Right?
Thomas the Tank Engine gets me..
What's the message there..?
'Be an irritating little tit and you can still have your own TV show'?
Awesome
Reverand ****face or what ever he was called needs to have a word with himself
the thomas stories are well ****ed up. Doesn't one of them get bricked up for years for not wanting to go out in the rain?
I also remember one I was reading to my brother once about one who got painted pink, and all the other's took the piss?
AND there are no girl engines
shit books
it's weird ****ing shit man
AND there are no girl engines
ISTR that there is, but only the one. I may have made that up though.
Emily.
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There's a handful more "guest star" type engines who are female too apparently. Who knew.
and Emily is a right bossy cow too. 🙂
I've just realised that the clown's got a moustache...so here's an adult playing with his thingy?
It's worse than that Emz. He's an adult clown happy to grow hair on his top lip, but down below...? It's shavin' time!
Took the nipper to see Thomas last weekend in the Cotswolds. I believe Emily was supposed to be there, but was evidently too busy on Sodor to make the trip 🙁
[i]and Emily is a right bossy cow too. [/i]
I bet she likes 'special' time with Annie and Clarabel, who are, like, inseparable...
Ivor the Engine is the superior children's book about trains.
So, yeah. I've heard parents say things like "I'm going to gobble you all up, omnomnom" and the kid bursts into giggles rather than being terrified at the threats of infanticide and cannibalism. Their brains don't take the same things seriously that we do.
You say that, but I need to be very careful saying things like that around our daughter, as she does take these things literally.
Some unintentionally(?) disturbing reading work came home the other day....
I'm assuming it's a subliminal message to Mrs W2K, but who knows, maybe it's for me 🙂
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If '1984' or 'The Trial' had been a children's book, Mr Messy would be it. No literary character has ever been so fully and categorically obliterated by the forces of social control. Hargreaves may well pay homage to Kafka and Orwell in this work, but he also goes beyond them.
We meet Mr Messy - a man whose entire day-to-day existence is the undiluted expression of his individuality. His very untidiness is a metaphor for his blissful and unselfconscious disregard for the Social Order. Yes, there are times when he himself is a victim of this individuality - as when he trips over a brush he has left on his garden path - but he goes through life with a smile on his face.
That is, until a chance meeting with Mr Neat and Mr Tidy - the archetypal men in suits. They set about a merciless programme of social engineering and indoctrination that we are left in no doubt is in flagrant violation of his free will. 'But I like being messy' he protests as they anonymize both his home and his person with their relentless cleaning activity, a symbolism thinly veiled.
This process is so thorough that by the end of it he is unrecognizable - a homogenized pink blob, no longer truly himself (that vibrant Pollock-like scribble of before). He smiles the smile of a brainwashed automaton, blandly accepting what he has been given no agency to question or refuse. It is in this very smile that the sheer horror of what we have seen to occur is at its most acute.
Somewhere behind this blank expression though is a latent anger - a trace of self-knowledge as to what he once was - in the barbed observation he makes to Neat and Tidy that they have even deprived him of his name.
The book ends with a dry reminder from Hargreaves that just as with the secret police in some totalitarian regime, our own small expressions of uniqueness and volition may also result in a visit from these sinister suited agents.
Brilliant, I must read Mister Messy again, I missed so much the first time!
Rainbow the twangers episode.
Took the nipper to see Thomas last weekend in the Cotswolds. I believe Emily was supposed to be there, but was evidently too busy on Sodor to make the trip
the name of the island has always concerned me...some sort of cross between Sodom and Mordor
Rainbow the twangers episode.
It was never an episode, despite what the Internet might tell you. It's a [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_tape ]Christmas Tape[/url], it was never intended for broadcast.
Got to agree that now Pat is SDS, the van may say royal mail but the service is very Yodel.
And how much are they charging that every other parcel can be delivered by bloody helicopter.
It was never an episode, despite what the Internet might tell you. It's a Christmas Tape, it was never intended for broadcast.
I know, but I did not want to spoil the moment for people who were not aware of its existence by telling them that before they watched it.
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And how much are they charging that every other parcel can be delivered by bloody helicopter.
They aren't supposed to be delivered by helicopter. They just have to do that to meet their SLAs every time Pat does something monumentally stupid and needs to be bailed out. How he still has a job I'll never know. Damn public sector workers.. oh wait..
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I know, but I did not want to spoil the moment for people who were not aware of its existence by telling them that before they watched it.
Good point, well made.
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Wasn't there a character in Swallows and Amazons called Titty?
Still is. Of course, Titty, (possibly a diminutive of Titania), wouldn't have been thought odd a century ago.
And how about a girl called George in the Famous Five?
Many of the old stories collected by the Grimms are cautionary stories intended for family reading, not just children, and the Struelpeter stories are definitely cautionary tales aimed at children; the Great Long Red-legged Scissormen are a threat to grown children who still suck their thumbs.
And how about Georgie Porgie Puddin-and-pie...
the name of the island has always concerned me...some sort of cross between Sodom and Mordor
So wrong! Funny though.
The Tiger who came to tea...
Not only is the tiger a selfish, stealing asshole of a feline, Daddy's a spiv!
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Goldilocks? Breaking and entering, combined with criminal damage.
Tiger who came to tea, mum's an alcy and probably knocking off the grocers boy and the milkman.
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Wasn't there a character in Swallows and Amazons called Titty?
Letitia, I presume.
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That's actually quite an interesting diagram - it shows that the components of horse's limbs are actually the same as ours, just different shapes and proportions. And their knees don't in fact bend the other way, as it appears.
It's just the drawing that's a bit unfortunate 🙂
Also ours got given a book called Chicken Licken the other day. Basically the book sets the child up to form an emotional bond with Chicken Licken as she goes about her day meeting larger and larger birds until at the end she her band of meery poultry meet a fox who then cons then into getting eaten for lunch.
I still remember the look on my youngest's face when I read it to her for the first time and we got to the end. Priceless.