[Closed] 140mph on the motorway...... but it's fine, he's a Police Officer...

Well no as the only evidence is the word of a prisoner. If I walk into a police station and say I've been in your car while you drove at 140 what would they say, and what would you expect to happen to you. I'm more than happy to have you banged up on my say so and I'm glad your of the same opinion. I hear there are good educational facilities in many prisons - perhaps you might learn some fundamental principles of justice. 🙂

If anyone else was doing that sort of speed, I think they might be in a little bit more trouble than him....

Well yes if they're not driving an emergency vehicle and are trained to do so they would. Those that are have to go through an investigation to justify why they were doing it or indeed if they were. Oh look just like what's happening.

That won't be the only evidence. Trust me, the car logs all the telemetry for evidential reasons.

If they say he's had his licence suspended, it'll be for a reason.

Copper showing off to prisoner, idiot!

He may be 'trained' in high speed driving, but in that scenario he'd likely have air support warning him of traffic ahead/other dangers.

Complete idiot IMHO.

What I do object to though is the "it's fine, he's a police officer".

What makes you think he is going to be fine?

He may be 'trained' in high speed driving, but in that scenario he'd likely have air support warning him of traffic ahead/other dangers.

You've been watching too many Bad Boys films.

Complete idiot IMHO.

He is.

Funny how according to the Police SPEED is always worse than digging up the Queen Mother and bottom-sexing her, unless it is done by a police officer properly trained to not be held accountable by the laws of physics.

Well, that gets my vote for oddest analogy of the day.

cranberry - Member
Funny how according to the Police SPEED is always worse than digging up the Queen Mother and bottom-sexing her, unless it is done by a police officer properly trained to not be held accountable by the laws of physics.

Cranberry, you're completely right of course. Except when it's you/one of your family of whom they are SPEEDing to get to in your hour of need.

Well, that gets my vote for oddest [b]anal[/b]ogy of the day.

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Drac - Moderator

He may be 'trained' in high speed driving, but in that scenario he'd likely have air support warning him of traffic ahead/other dangers.

You've been watching too many Bad Boys films.

Is one enough and both too many?

Cranberry, you're completely right of course. Except when it's you/one of your family of whom they are SPEEDing to get to in your hour of need.

Interesting that as someone wrote to our local paper last year complaining an ambulance was going too slow and they should be driving faster. They never mentioned the laws of physics though.

Is one enough and both too many?

😀

It was the first one to come into my head with fast police cars and helicopters in pursuit.

Jamie, you bad person for spotting that.

I think we need to watch both Bad Boys films again and then reconsider the subject.....

I think we need to watch both Bad Boys films again and then reconsider the subject.....

This shit just got real.

Cranberry, you're completely right of course. Except when it's you/one of your family of whom they are SPEEDing to get to in your hour of need.

Well when they have the blues and twos going to respond to an emergency, we can make reasonable exceptions. When they are abusing their position for jollies it is a very different matter.

Supt Ellis added that the PC had been formally sanctioned and was subject to "an action plan concerning risk management and decision-making".

"His licence has been suspended, including removing his pursuit capabilities", he said.

"The PC will also have to go through a driving school re-assessment before returning to full operational duties."

It may be safer for a trained officer to do this but it is never safe compared to a lower spped or driving legally.
Their judgement - showing off to a prisoner and doing those speeds is questionable.
I also agree anyone else would be in serious trouble for this beyond a tut and reprimand

Anyone else would have found themselves in a cell without their belt and shoelaces.

If I needed "help" from a fast response car, I would like to them to arrive as quickly as possible.

This does not mean redlining in 5th gear - as they're more likely to have a smash and not get to me at all!

Anyone else would have found themselves in a cell without their belt and shoelaces.

Is that because there is a different law?

It may be safer for a trained officer to do this but it is never safe compared to a lower spped or driving legally.
Their judgement - showing off to a prisoner and doing those speeds is questionable.

I agree.

I'm very surprised no one has mentioned children's faces yet.....

This does not mean redlining in 5th gear - as they're more likely to have a smash and not get to me at all!

Bloody sure as the engine would explode far better putting it into 6th.

MSP - Sorry, I was responding to Cranberry's sweeping generalisations with a generalisation of my own.
It sounds like this particular officer was in the wrong, but you have to bear in mind they are legally allowed to travel at these speeds, regardless of whether you (the royal you) like it or not.

I think anal necrophilia of the monarchy escalated straight past the childrens' faces stage.

If the situation calls for a trained emergency driver to do 140mph then no problem at all.

If they're doing 140mph for kicks/showing off they should be governed by the same rules as all other motorists. IMHO.

I think monarchy necrophilia escalated straight past the childrens' face stage.

Well that's one sentence I never expected to read.

I think anal necrophilia of the monarchy escalated straight past the childrens' faces stage.

If they're doing 140mph for kicks/showing off they should be governed by the same rules as all other motorists. IMHO.

But they're not so go through investigations to justify speeds, the news report fails to mention if this was given, if they were prosecuted straight away a good solicitor would get it cancelled for not following the law.

If it is as the BBC are trying to claim that it was about showing off it's a silly thing to do but it doesn't mention anything after that other than the suspension.

I think anal necrophilia of the monarchy escalated straight past the childrens' faeces stage.

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I think anal necrophilia of the monarchy escalated straight past the childrens' faces stage.

*bows*

I love how the perp got the copper to put his foot down and then grassed him up. You [i]can[/i] have your cake and eat it. 😀

If it is as the BBC are trying to claim that it was about showing off it's a silly thing to do but it doesn't mention anything after that other than the suspension.

To be fair, he could have just been late for his shift end...

To be fair, he could have just been late for his shift end...

Maybe.

But they're not so go through investigations to justify speeds, the news report fails to mention if this was given, if they were prosecuted straight away a good solicitor would get it cancelled for not following the law.

If it is as the BBC are trying to claim that it was about showing off it's a silly thing to do but it doesn't mention anything after that other than the suspension.

Agreed, the facts are sketchy. But I still think they [u]should[/u] be treated the same as a member of the public if they were found to be dicking around after a thorough investigation. I appreciate that they aren't.

Jamie - Member
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All in the back of a traffic car

I did consider it, but what I had in my mind would probably earn me a spell at her daughters pleasure.

If true then the copper in question has bad judgement and poor decision making skills.

I wonder then if all the previous convictions secured on evidence provided by his past judgements and decision making will be challenged.

But no doubt he will be protected and be treated leniently like the many before him. Typical coppers, no wonder no-one likes them.

By his license suspended, do they mean he got a driving ban? If so that is what any other member of the public would get.

You aint seen Bad Boys II?

By his license suspended, do they mean he got a driving ban? If so that is what any other member of the public would get.

I would think that if you had a driving ban on your licence and applied for a police driving job you would be rejected. I doubt he'll lose his job.

doubt he'll lose his job.

He may lose his specialist driving accreditation, be knocked down a rank etc.

And from the BBC article it does sound like when another officer heard about the incident, he did pursue the matter instead of pretending it didn't matter.

So while the original incident was pretty stupid, I am not seeing much in the story to accuse the police as a whole.

Typical coppers, no wonder no-one likes them.

Just because you seem to be, please don't presume everyone else is stupid enough to think all "coppers" can be judged based on half a story about one of them. 🙄

You aint seen Bad Boys II?

Unless you've seen both films, you shouldn't really be allowed to post on this thread.....

all in a day's work for the (bad) boys in blue:

Wasn't there a copper a few years ago doing warp factor 3 down the m54? "testing the new car" & "honing his skills" I believe was the excuse. Obviously he was let off without charge. My money's on this going the same way.

Testing the vehicle's capability, I think it was.

There were a couple of comments about going to jail, I doubt that's correct- speeding is a civil offence, you need to escalate to a criminal driving offence like dangerous driving don't you? Speeding isn't dangerous driving per se. So without reports of something actually dangerous happening [i]while[/i] speeding, it'd be bans/fines/etc regardless I think.

(there was a fun case a while back with 2 bikers, both were charged with dangerous driving, but in the end one got the jail for a 100mph+ overtake over a crest with imperfect vision, the other got charges thrown out as all he'd done was go very fast, and they hadn't charged him with the right offences)

PC Mark Milton

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/05/police-officer-cleared-dangerous-driving

We only get our knickers in a twist because they were exceeding some completely arbitrary and "made-up-50-years-ago-numerical-value" that has little relevance in todays motoring world. Only last week i was doing over 180mph in Germany, and last year i drove at well over 200mph in southern Italy and i managed not to die on either occasion....

Re M54 copper- Milton. It was reported locally at the time of his 2nd trial that he had also - told a bit of a porkie in his 1st statement.
The Guardian link says he shredded the tyre and damaged the suspension of the BMW. he ripped the whole front wheel and assembly off and the car was retired.
But he has special skills that allow him to hit a traffic island. Whilst the "one that got away" in the "stolen" car didn't.

Drac why would a engine blow up in 5th in the red line and not in 6th?
At 7000rpm engine componets are moving at the same speed no matter what gear the car is in.

Drac why would a engine blow up in 5th in the red line and not in 6th?
At 7000rpm engine componets are moving at the same speed no matter what gear the car is in.

It's called a joke.

maxtorque - Member

We only get our knickers in a twist because they were exceeding some completely arbitrary and "made-up-50-years-ago-numerical-value" that has little relevance in todays motoring world.

Well. I think most people that are peeved, think there's a different treatment here for Us and Them, rather than the speed itself being a problem.

[quote=footflaps]To be fair, he could have just been late for his shift end...

or maybe the doughnut shop was about to shut

Rene59
Its only the same as no-one liking you,
Its a fact if life, every single police officer in the world is a racist, power crazed priick
Its a fact

Yes I know.

We only get our knickers in a twist because they were exceeding some completely arbitrary and "made-up-50-years-ago-numerical-value" that has little relevance in todays motoring world. Only last week i was doing over 180mph in Germany, and last year i drove at well over 200mph in southern Italy [b]and i managed not to die on either occasion...[/b]

Plot twist...Max Torque is a ghost!

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[i]We only get our knickers in a twist because they were exceeding some completely arbitrary and "made-up-50-years-ago-numerical-value" that has little relevance in todays motoring world. Only last week i was doing over 180mph in Germany, and last year i drove at well over 200mph in southern Italy and i managed not to die on either occasion.... [/i]

I'll assume it would've been on the A1(M), and tbh there are many parts of that where you could easily do +140mph in relative safety, in fact I've driven on far, far more dangerous autobahns that were 'unlimited' at higher speeds.

Now as to the copper 'showing' off, then yes he deserves the 'punishment' - just for been an ar5e. But lets keep it in context, he was been an ar5e.

It's just a bit of speeding, hardly the end of the world. When I had the VFR-750 my normal motorway cruisng speed was 120mph. I've managed faster than that in the Golf on the A1 with two bikes on the roof. No one died and no childrens faces were damaged either...

However, I haven't yet driven at over 100 whist firing semi-automatic weapons out the sunroof, which is next on the list to try...

But was he in the right [i]lane[/i] considering he's a company car driver...

[i]He may be 'trained' in high speed driving, but in that scenario he'd likely have air support warning him of traffic ahead/other dangers.[/i]

Well, there can be a long wait for a chopper now they've been rationalised and amalgamated, ie reduced in number and pooled. just hope you never need help in a hurry.

Just because you seem to be, please don't presume everyone else is stupid enough to think all "coppers" can be judged based on half a story about one of them.

I'd just like to point out that that isn't in fact what he said, but I won't suggest that you're stupid.

I'm sure whatever generalisation he made about "coppers" being universally disliked was well researched and completely accurate.

My mistake 🙄

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I think it also depends which force you are in, I know in my area officers are being prosecuted for due care with the same evidential threshold as a member of the public. Messages regularly come down from the top that if you are speeding without justification, using your mobile etc then you will be dealt with in the same manner as anyone else.
Just as an aside we rarely pursue criminals in vehicles these days. Only police advanced drivers can pursue and only when it is safe to do so, ie at night when the streets are empty. No other officers can become involved in a pursuit. So if you want to nick something, come to Lancs 😀

I can't believe it's not been mentioned that he didn't even max it out. Poor effort on his behalf...there was another 15mph to go 😉

I'm sure whatever generalisation he made about "coppers" being universally disliked was well researched and completely accurate.

Indeed it was. I spent a whole 14mins going over all past experiences and stories about coppers I could remember, good and bad. I then conducted a quick opinion poll ...

Q. Do you like coppers?
A1. Yes (0%)
A2. No (80%)
A3. Undecided (20%)

... making it at least as well researched and accurate as any other generalisation ever made on here.